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 Post subject: Re: Bobby Abreu - HOFer?
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I think a Hall of Fame and a Hall of Player Value might look slightly different on the margins.

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I'd take Larry Walker over Abreu as a right fielder, and Walker's not in the HoF.
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I'd take Larry Walker over Abreu as a right fielder, and Walker's not in the HoF.

Me too.

I can NOT believe it's been 14 years since he retired.
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Look at Walker's numbers. He's an obvious first ballot guy. But he's got the double taint of steroids and Colorado.

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Further confirmation of my thought that Bill James needs to go away.

Now.

You dont hate James, you hate that he revealed you know less than you thought you did.



He’s trying to reveal you know less than you thought did about Bobby Abreu but you’re not listening.

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rogers park bryan wrote:
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Further confirmation of my thought that Bill James needs to go away.

Now.

You dont hate James, you hate that he revealed you know less than you thought you did.



He’s trying to reveal you know less than you thought did about Bobby Abreu but you’re not listening.


:lol:
And RPB said that I was coming from a position of arrogance. :lol:

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No way Abreu was better than Reggie Smith but James and Kenny are obsessed with walk rates so they're not talking about him.


Reggie Smith was a vital cog in some very good WS teams for almost(?) a decade?



Underrated player. Probably the third or fourth best switch hitter of all-time.

JOR I just lost any respect I had left for you :roll:

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Walt Williams Neck wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
No way Abreu was better than Reggie Smith but James and Kenny are obsessed with walk rates so they're not talking about him.


Reggie Smith was a vital cog in some very good WS teams for almost(?) a decade?



Underrated player. Probably the third or fourth best switch hitter of all-time.

JOR I just lost any respect I had left for you :roll:



Mantle
Alomar
Chipper
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Abreu > Murray, Bernie Williams and Tim Raines

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FavreFan wrote:
rogers park bryan wrote:
Regular Reader wrote:
Further confirmation of my thought that Bill James needs to go away.

Now.

You dont hate James, you hate that he revealed you know less than you thought you did.



He’s trying to reveal you know less than you thought did about Bobby Abreu but you’re not listening.

Every so often he's wrong.
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Regular Reader wrote:
FavreFan wrote:
rogers park bryan wrote:
Regular Reader wrote:
Further confirmation of my thought that Bill James needs to go away.

Now.

You dont hate James, you hate that he revealed you know less than you thought you did.



He’s trying to reveal you know less than you thought did about Bobby Abreu but you’re not listening.


:lol:
And RPB said that I was coming from a position of arrogance. :lol:

I called myself arrogant in the same post you half reporting fake news peddler!
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 Post subject: Re: Bobby Abreu - HOFer?
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312player wrote:
Walt Williams Neck wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
No way Abreu was better than Reggie Smith but James and Kenny are obsessed with walk rates so they're not talking about him.


Reggie Smith was a vital cog in some very good WS teams for almost(?) a decade?



Underrated player. Probably the third or fourth best switch hitter of all-time.

JOR I just lost any respect I had left for you :roll:



Mantle
Alomar
Chipper
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Abreu > Murray, Bernie Williams and Tim Raines


1. Mantle
2. Murray

That's undisputed.

The next two are Chipper and Smith.

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Walt Williams Neck wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
No way Abreu was better than Reggie Smith but James and Kenny are obsessed with walk rates so they're not talking about him.


Reggie Smith was a vital cog in some very good WS teams for almost(?) a decade?



Underrated player. Probably the third or fourth best switch hitter of all-time.

JOR I just lost any respect I had left for you :roll:


That's not an argument, Walt.

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
312player wrote:
Walt Williams Neck wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
Regular Reader wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
No way Abreu was better than Reggie Smith but James and Kenny are obsessed with walk rates so they're not talking about him.


Reggie Smith was a vital cog in some very good WS teams for almost(?) a decade?



Underrated player. Probably the third or fourth best switch hitter of all-time.

JOR I just lost any respect I had left for you :roll:



Mantle
Alomar
Chipper
?
?

Abreu > Murray, Bernie Williams and Tim Raines


1. Mantle
2. Murray

That's undisputed.

The next two are Chipper and Smith.


Pete Rose might want to have some speaks with you.
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Pete Rose might want to have some speaks with you.


Singles hitter. Rose is more like Frankie Frisch than he is like the stud switch hitters with power.

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Ozzie had no power and was no stud, Lance berkman should be way ahead of Oz

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Abreu is FAR SUPERIOR to Rizzo.

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
312player wrote:
Walt Williams Neck wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
No way Abreu was better than Reggie Smith but James and Kenny are obsessed with walk rates so they're not talking about him.


Reggie Smith was a vital cog in some very good WS teams for almost(?) a decade?



Underrated player. Probably the third or fourth best switch hitter of all-time.

JOR I just lost any respect I had left for you :roll:



Mantle
Alomar
Chipper
?
?

Abreu > Murray, Bernie Williams and Tim Raines


1. Mantle
2. Murray

That's undisputed.

The next two are Chipper and Smith.

Murray was old when I started watching. Chippers numbers are better in a lot of ways. What makes Murray better?
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I would say it was harder to hit in Murray's tme. Parks were bigger. Murray also played in a tougher hitter's park.

No knock on Chipper. He's among the best switch hitters ever. It's the slappy guys like Rose that I don't think belong in the conversation. The power is important.

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The next two are Chipper and Smith.

Murray was old when I started watching. Chippers numbers are better in a lot of ways. What makes Murray better?

Solid every year in a low-offense era. Not a lot of homers at Memorial Park (was that what Baltimore's stadium was called?)
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Murray crushes him in Badassery Index.

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I'd take Rose over Abreu since he's way more irritating to the competition.

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Murray crushes him in Badassery Index.

Absolutely.
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I would say it was harder to hit in Murray's tme. Parks were bigger. Murray also played in a tougher hitter's park.

No knock on Chipper. He's among the best switch hitters ever. It's the slappy guys like Rose that I don't think belong in the conversation. The power is important.



If power is important than how you gonna gave Ozzie in the top 4? Dude had like 20 career homers in 18 years.

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I would say it was harder to hit in Murray's tme. Parks were bigger. Murray also played in a tougher hitter's park.

No knock on Chipper. He's among the best switch hitters ever. It's the slappy guys like Rose that I don't think belong in the conversation. The power is important.



If power is important than how you gonna gave Ozzie in the top 4? Dude had like 20 career homers in 18 years.



Who the fuck is Ozzie? What are you on about?

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
312player wrote:
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I would say it was harder to hit in Murray's tme. Parks were bigger. Murray also played in a tougher hitter's park.

No knock on Chipper. He's among the best switch hitters ever. It's the slappy guys like Rose that I don't think belong in the conversation. The power is important.



If power is important than how you gonna gave Ozzie in the top 4? Dude had like 20 career homers in 18 years.



Who the fuck is Ozzie? What are you on about?


He thinks Reggie Smith is Ozzie Smith.

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