Doug Collins?

FavreFan · **Posted:** Thu May 29, 2008 2:49 pm

Tall Midget wrote:

By the way: Boers has been reporting since the lottery that his Bulls "peeps" are saying that there is no debate in the organization over who is the better talent; everyone, according to Boers, likes Rose over Beasley.

Isnt he the same guy that "breaks" stories from the Tribune? I dont listen to the show often at all, I could be thinking of someone else.

The Original Kid Cairo · **Posted:** Thu May 29, 2008 2:49 pm

Beardown wrote:

I still say you can have Rose and Hinrich. Make Kirk the 2 guard.

Essentially, you're running into the same issue. An undersized guard that can't defend his position without getting into foul trouble.

Beardown · **Joined:** Thu Mar 02, 2006 4:29 pm **Posts:** 33998

Tall Midget wrote:

By the way: Boers has been reporting since the lottery that his Bulls "peeps" are saying that there is no debate in the organization over who is the better talent; everyone, according to Boers, likes Rose over Beasley.

That doesn't shock me cuz he clearly is the better talent.

FavreFan · **Posted:** Thu May 29, 2008 2:50 pm

Nas wrote:

A 6'10" or 6'11" player is a center in the NBA.

So Durant is moving to Center next season? Your size has nothing to do with it, its all about your skill set. Beasley's skill set projects him to be a PF, and most scouting reports say if he does have a secondary positions, its a SF.

Tall Midget · **Posted:** Thu May 29, 2008 2:52 pm

Beardown wrote:

I still say you can have Rose and Hinrich. Make Kirk the 2 guard.

Hinrich really doesn't guard the 2 well. And he's not a very good scorer, either. But other than that, your plan sounds great.

My Coach Vinny · **Posted:** Thu May 29, 2008 2:53 pm

I'm the man! I'm 40!

http://score670.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?p=272786#272786

mr_gimp · **Joined:** Wed Mar 29, 2006 2:57 pm **Posts:** 476

FavreFan wrote:

So Durant is moving to Center next season? Your size has nothing to do with it, its all about your skill set. Beasley's skill set projects him to be a PF, and most scouting reports say if he does have a secondary positions, its a SF.

Beasley will start as a SF. He doesn't have the body to bang with bigs, yet. Plus, he doesn't really have any back to the basket moves.

Beebo · **Posted:** Thu May 29, 2008 2:54 pm

jg$ wrote:

Will Doug Collins take them back to point B, and Phil have to come back to get to point C. This is killing my draft lottery buzz!!!!

Yes, same thoughts. But hey, maybe they need a point B guy 'cause this isn't a point C team yet. Also, sounds like they were trying to bring him back whilst talking to D'Antoni (sp) and he was in no mood for someone waiting in the wings second-guessing him. Good for Doug, I think.

Beardown · **Joined:** Thu Mar 02, 2006 4:29 pm **Posts:** 33998

Tall Midget wrote:

Beardown wrote:

I still say you can have Rose and Hinrich. Make Kirk the 2 guard.

Hinrich really doesn't guard the 2 well. And he's not a very good scorer, either. But other than that, your plan sounds great.

Kirk will have more energy to guard if he isn't the point guard. He is a willing defender. I think he gets those stupid fouls cuz he's tired.

I think, with Rose, Kirk will get more open jump shots that he can knock down.

Beebo · **Posted:** Thu May 29, 2008 2:54 pm

jg$ wrote:

Will Doug Collins take them back to point B, and Phil have to come back to get to point C. This is killing my draft lottery buzz!!!!

Yes, same thoughts. But hey, maybe they need a point B guy 'cause this isn't a point C team yet. Also, sounds like they were trying to bring him back whilst talking to D'Antoni (sp) and he was in no mood for someone waiting in the wings second-guessing him. Good for Doug, I think.

[Edit] We'll worry about Pheeelll later on :-)

Tall Midget · **Posted:** Thu May 29, 2008 2:54 pm

mr_gimp wrote:

FavreFan wrote:

So Durant is moving to Center next season? Your size has nothing to do with it, its all about your skill set. Beasley's skill set projects him to be a PF, and most scouting reports say if he does have a secondary positions, its a SF.

Beasley will start as a SF. He doesn't have the body to bang with bigs, yet. Plus, he doesn't really have any back to the basket moves.

He really does strike me as a small forward, too.

Brick · **Posted:** Thu May 29, 2008 2:55 pm

Nas wrote:

Boilermaker Rick wrote:

Nas wrote:

Tall Midget wrote:

Beardown wrote:

I was thinking about this.

Doug isn't gonna take this job unless he knows who Pax is gonna take with this pick. You gotta believe that.

Doug strikes me as a guy that would want Rose. He would want that point guard. Don't you guys think so?

That's good news.

I broached this topic up thread. Collins is a certified Hinrich Ass-Licker, having said on multiple occasions that Hinrich is "on the verge of becoming an elite point guard". Does this mean he thinks he can rehabilitate Hinrich and will thus favor the selection of Beasley?

I hope so. Kirk is already under contract and may be hard to deal and Beasley would fill a need the Bulls haven't had since Cartwright left.

There is a better chance that Beasley becomes a SF than a C. I don't know where you are getting the fact that he'll eventually become a C but I haven't really seen that anywhere else.

He was 6'9" and 235 going into college. At 18 he is going to grow some more and I'm sure the Bulls staff with have him in the weight room. He will probably get up to 250 or 260. A 6'10" or 6'11" player is a center in the NBA.

Why are you the only one who is projecting him as a Center? I haven't seen that anywhere. In fact, I've seen him called SF/PF a few times.

He'll be a PF in the NBA.

FavreFan · **Posted:** Thu May 29, 2008 3:00 pm

At the very least its nice to see people invigorated by the Bulls again, although if they come out flat it wont last. I would love to see the quality of basketball we are going to see tonight on TNT being played at the UC again in the next few years.

Tall Midget · **Posted:** Thu May 29, 2008 3:00 pm

Boilermaker Rick wrote:

Nas wrote:

Boilermaker Rick wrote:

Nas wrote:

Tall Midget wrote:

Beardown wrote:

I was thinking about this.

Doug isn't gonna take this job unless he knows who Pax is gonna take with this pick. You gotta believe that.

Doug strikes me as a guy that would want Rose. He would want that point guard. Don't you guys think so?

That's good news.

I broached this topic up thread. Collins is a certified Hinrich Ass-Licker, having said on multiple occasions that Hinrich is "on the verge of becoming an elite point guard". Does this mean he thinks he can rehabilitate Hinrich and will thus favor the selection of Beasley?

I hope so. Kirk is already under contract and may be hard to deal and Beasley would fill a need the Bulls haven't had since Cartwright left.

There is a better chance that Beasley becomes a SF than a C. I don't know where you are getting the fact that he'll eventually become a C but I haven't really seen that anywhere else.

He was 6'9" and 235 going into college. At 18 he is going to grow some more and I'm sure the Bulls staff with have him in the weight room. He will probably get up to 250 or 260. A 6'10" or 6'11" player is a center in the NBA.

Why are you the only one who is projecting him as a Center? I haven't seen that anywhere. In fact, I've seen him called SF/PF a few times.

He'll be a PF in the NBA.

Moreso in a couple of years than right away, wouldn't you say?

FavreFan · **Posted:** Thu May 29, 2008 3:02 pm

Tall Midget wrote:

Boilermaker Rick wrote:

He'll be a PF in the NBA.

Moreso in a couple of years than right away, wouldn't you say?

Depends on how well he can defend in the paint against the big boys. He has the offensive capacity for both positions.

Brick · **Posted:** Thu May 29, 2008 3:04 pm

Tall Midget wrote:

Boilermaker Rick wrote:

He'll be a PF in the NBA.

Moreso in a couple of years than right away, wouldn't you say?

I can certainly see that. One of the things that scares me about Beasley is that he currently looks like a "tweener" to me. Sometimes it works out really well but sometimes it just doesn't carry over.

I think a lot of it will depend on what team drafts him. If he gets drafted by the Bulls, I think they will want to get Deng at the 3 and let Beasley play the 4.

If he doesn't grow anymore, he probably is always a SF.

Tall Midget · **Posted:** Thu May 29, 2008 3:09 pm

Boilermaker Rick wrote:

Tall Midget wrote:

Boilermaker Rick wrote:

He'll be a PF in the NBA.

Moreso in a couple of years than right away, wouldn't you say?

I can certainly see that. One of the things that scares me about Beasley is that he currently looks like a "tweener" to me. Sometimes it works out really well but sometimes it just doesn't carry over.

I think a lot of it will depend on what team drafts him. If he gets drafted by the Bulls, I think they will want to get Deng at the 3 and let Beasley play the 4.

If he doesn't grow anymore, he probably is always a SF.

I would agree with your assessment. I also think it's a mistake to assume that he will continue growing. How much has he grown in the past year, if at all? Does anywone know? And what is his true height?

The Original Kid Cairo · **Posted:** Thu May 29, 2008 3:20 pm

Beardown wrote:

I think, with Rose, Kirk will get more open jump shots that he can knock down.

But Kirk can't hit those open shots with any kind of consistency. He's just as likely to miss a wide open jumper as if there was a defender in his face.

FavreFan · **Posted:** Thu May 29, 2008 3:22 pm

Kid Cairo wrote:

Beardown wrote:

I think, with Rose, Kirk will get more open jump shots that he can knock down.

But Kirk can't hit those open shots with any kind of consistency. He's just as likely to miss a wide open jumper as if there was a defender in his face.

I agree, but that certainly wasnt the case before this season. He was an excellent knock down shooter before this season. I have to think there are other factors involved. The entire team regressed this season.

My Coach Vinny · **Posted:** Thu May 29, 2008 3:24 pm

Get Rose. End of story.

Tall Midget · **Posted:** Thu May 29, 2008 3:25 pm

FavreFan wrote:

Kid Cairo wrote:

Beardown wrote:

I think, with Rose, Kirk will get more open jump shots that he can knock down.

But Kirk can't hit those open shots with any kind of consistency. He's just as likely to miss a wide open jumper as if there was a defender in his face.

I agree, but that certainly wasnt the case before this season. He was an excellent knock down shooter before this season. I have to think there are other factors involved. The entire team regressed this season.

I dunno, Hinrich has always struck me as a streaky shooter. I would also add that he really lacks the size and athleticism to play the 2 effectively as a starter. In my mind, he is a classic third guard to bring off the bench at either position (in limited minutes).

Beebo · **Posted:** Thu May 29, 2008 3:32 pm

Coach Crapowski wrote:

Get Rose. End of story.

The one thing that amuses me is that Score is advertising it as their breaking story. Isn't Hanley the Sun-Times Bull beat reporter? Maybe that's why he'd pick up on the breaking story? So whose breaking story is it?

Reading story from Tribune from K.C., (filed at ~2pm), I see,

Quote:

While sources have confirmed the former Bulls coach is expected to become the new Bulls coach, Paxson released the following statement Thursday afternoon: "I have been in contact with Doug Collins in regard to our head coaching position. Contrary to some reports that are currently out there, we have not reached an agreement.

Maybe not a story after all. Maybe Dougie is trolling the board to see how hardball to play it :-)

Beardown · **Joined:** Thu Mar 02, 2006 4:29 pm **Posts:** 33998

Tall Midget wrote:

FavreFan wrote:

Kid Cairo wrote:

Beardown wrote:

I think, with Rose, Kirk will get more open jump shots that he can knock down.

But Kirk can't hit those open shots with any kind of consistency. He's just as likely to miss a wide open jumper as if there was a defender in his face.

I agree, but that certainly wasnt the case before this season. He was an excellent knock down shooter before this season. I have to think there are other factors involved. The entire team regressed this season.

I dunno, Hinrich has always struck me as a streaky shooter. I would also add that he really lacks the size and athleticism to play the 2 effectively. In my mind, he is a classic third guard to bring off the bench at either position (in limited minutes).

I'd be fine with him off the bench too. You have Hughes and Hinrich right now. You can't get rid of both those contracts.

You can start Hughes. Hinrich can get decent minutes spelling Hughes and Rose.

What about Gordon? Bulls have him for one more year. I guess he can be a sign and trade this year.

If you draft Rose you can't go into the year with all of these guards. Somebody will be bitching real quick.

FavreFan · **Posted:** Thu May 29, 2008 3:33 pm

Nas wrote:

FavreFan wrote:

Nas wrote:

A 6'10" or 6'11" player is a center in the NBA.

So Durant is moving to Center next season? Your size has nothing to do with it, its all about your skill set. Beasley's skill set projects him to be a PF, and most scouting reports say if he does have a secondary positions, its a SF.

Ok let me be clear. A guy that height that is 250-260 is a center. Did that clear anything up?

It did but right now he's 6'9'' on a good day and 220-230. Dont assume hes gonna add two inches and 30 points in the next 5 months.

Also Bron is like 6'9'' 250, I dont think he plays Center.

Brick · **Posted:** Thu May 29, 2008 3:40 pm

Nas wrote:

FavreFan wrote:

Nas wrote:

A 6'10" or 6'11" player is a center in the NBA.

So Durant is moving to Center next season? Your size has nothing to do with it, its all about your skill set. Beasley's skill set projects him to be a PF, and most scouting reports say if he does have a secondary positions, its a SF.

Ok let me be clear. A guy that height that is 250-260 is a center. Did that clear anything up?

Kind of like Dirk Nowitzki, and Tim Duncan?

Brick · **Posted:** Thu May 29, 2008 3:44 pm

Nas wrote:

Boilermaker Rick wrote:

Nas wrote:

Boilermaker Rick wrote:

Nas wrote:

Tall Midget wrote:

Beardown wrote:

I was thinking about this.

Doug isn't gonna take this job unless he knows who Pax is gonna take with this pick. You gotta believe that.

Doug strikes me as a guy that would want Rose. He would want that point guard. Don't you guys think so?

That's good news.

I broached this topic up thread. Collins is a certified Hinrich Ass-Licker, having said on multiple occasions that Hinrich is "on the verge of becoming an elite point guard". Does this mean he thinks he can rehabilitate Hinrich and will thus favor the selection of Beasley?

I hope so. Kirk is already under contract and may be hard to deal and Beasley would fill a need the Bulls haven't had since Cartwright left.

There is a better chance that Beasley becomes a SF than a C. I don't know where you are getting the fact that he'll eventually become a C but I haven't really seen that anywhere else.

He was 6'9" and 235 going into college. At 18 he is going to grow some more and I'm sure the Bulls staff with have him in the weight room. He will probably get up to 250 or 260. A 6'10" or 6'11" player is a center in the NBA.

Why are you the only one who is projecting him as a Center? I haven't seen that anywhere. In fact, I've seen him called SF/PF a few times.

He'll be a PF in the NBA.

I think he will grow an inch or two. He already has a nice frame and the Bulls will have him in the weight room filling it out some more. My point is a 6'10" or 6'11" guy that is 260 can play center in this league. While he may be a power forward the Bulls may slide him over if Ty Thomas ever gets it.

You can think all you want. No one, even people who are much closer to the league than you or I am, is projecting him at Center. You could make the same argument that Derrick Rose will end up a small forward because he'll grow 3 more inches since he's only 19.

I'm tall, and I barely grew after high school.

mr_gimp · **Joined:** Wed Mar 29, 2006 2:57 pm **Posts:** 476

[quote="Nas"]
We will find out if he is still 6'9" and 235lbs in a week or so. Most people don't stop growing at 18. [quote]

Most likely, he will measure at 6'8". If you watch his game, he is a face the basket shooter. He isn't an inside presence. That isn't what he likes to do.

He can't take the punishment of banging inside, in the NBA.

Brick · **Posted:** Thu May 29, 2008 3:45 pm

Nas wrote:

Boilermaker Rick wrote:

Nas wrote:

FavreFan wrote:

Nas wrote:

A 6'10" or 6'11" player is a center in the NBA.

So Durant is moving to Center next season? Your size has nothing to do with it, its all about your skill set. Beasley's skill set projects him to be a PF, and most scouting reports say if he does have a secondary positions, its a SF.

Ok let me be clear. A guy that height that is 250-260 is a center. Did that clear anything up?

Kind of like Dirk Nowitzki, and Tim Duncan?

Dirks outside game to go with Duncan's inside game.

Which would make him a PF, like Duncan and Nowitzki. Nowitzki may be a 7 foot small forward.

My Coach Vinny · **Posted:** Thu May 29, 2008 3:48 pm

Nas wrote:

Coach Crapowski wrote:

I'm the man! I'm 40!

http://score670.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?p=272786#272786

Even though I thought you were playing it was a good call.

Even then, the best guy available was Collins. I never bought into this whole D'Antony stuff. Show me a trophy that was won because of him. Hell, with a MVP PG, a legit C, and a littany of above average guards, I could coach that team to relative prominence.

Beardown · **Joined:** Thu Mar 02, 2006 4:29 pm **Posts:** 33998

Good call Coach.

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