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Yeah, Joe Ricketts emails just lack context. :lol:

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Some of you live in a fantasy world where calling people bigots somehow makes you noble.

It's what passes for analysis among many. I'm not denying that bigotry does not exist or that those who point it out are feeble-minded, but man, discussions go beyond publicly branding people are bigots.


If you could open up the personal communications of every employed person on Earth, what % do you think would have statements considered "offensive" by many?

100%. Without a doubt. We're all biased, language itself is inherently vague, and context is a bitch to resurrect.



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Some of you live in a fantasy world where calling people bigots somehow makes you noble.

It's what passes for analysis among many. I'm not denying that bigotry does not exist or that those who point it out are feeble-minded, but man, discussions go beyond publicly branding people are bigots.


If you could open up the personal communications of every employed person on Earth, what % do you think would have statements considered "offensive" by many?

69%

It does matter though. I agree it's not a substitute for discourse and it doesnt confer nobility.

I know you're not saying this but some times it seems like you're saying, "yea bigots exist who cares? Lets move on."



Do you think bigotry should be illegal, have some kind of formal penalty? I know you're not saying this, but sometimes it seems you wish you could control the thoughts of millions of people.

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Do you think bigotry should be illegal, have some kind of formal penalty? I know you're not saying this, but sometimes it seems you wish you could control the thoughts of millions of people.
Isn't this the standard "Free speech doesn't mean you are free from consequences of that speech"? I don't think the government should punish you but if the free market chooses to then I don't see it as an issue.

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Do you think bigotry should be illegal, have some kind of formal penalty? I know you're not saying this, but sometimes it seems you wish you could control the thoughts of millions of people.
Isn't this the standard "Free speech doesn't mean you are free from consequences of that speech"? I don't think the government should punish you but if the free market chooses to then I don't see it as an issue.



I agree. Boycott Ameritrade or the Cubs if you want. But there seems to be a discussion about "what to do about Joe Ricketts." There's nothing to been done about Joe Ricketts. Don't patronize his businesses. The end.

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
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Do you think bigotry should be illegal, have some kind of formal penalty? I know you're not saying this, but sometimes it seems you wish you could control the thoughts of millions of people.
Isn't this the standard "Free speech doesn't mean you are free from consequences of that speech"? I don't think the government should punish you but if the free market chooses to then I don't see it as an issue.



I agree. Boycott Ameritrade or the Cubs if you want. But there seems to be a discussion about "what to do about Joe Ricketts." There's nothing to been done about Joe Ricketts. Don't patronize his businesses. The end.


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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
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Do you think bigotry should be illegal, have some kind of formal penalty? I know you're not saying this, but sometimes it seems you wish you could control the thoughts of millions of people.
Isn't this the standard "Free speech doesn't mean you are free from consequences of that speech"? I don't think the government should punish you but if the free market chooses to then I don't see it as an issue.



I agree. Boycott Ameritrade or the Cubs if you want. But there seems to be a discussion about "what to do about Joe Ricketts." There's nothing to been done about Joe Ricketts. Don't patronize his businesses. The end.
Isn't that what is ultimately happening though? MLB has to decide if this is worth the potential cost and whether they need to react or not.

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I don’t know about Bryan but the SJWs like Bernsie and JDC absolutely want to impose social penalties upon offenders.

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leashyourkids wrote:
Some of you live in a fantasy world where calling people bigots somehow makes you noble.


You are reading and posting in a thread in which the ultimate thrust and topic of the thread is a series of e-mails where a man said stuff like:

"All Muslims are my enemy"

"No Muslim is capable of respecting a Jew or a Christian"

in addition to a bunch of other offensive discourse via e-mail. Not sure why you are shocked that the individual who made those statement is being identified as a bigot in this thread.

You'd have a valid complaint if in a thread about favorite ice cream flavors someone started posting about bigots being bigots, however, you're a big boy: you know what this thread is about, you know what Dad Ricketts wrote, you understand what a bigot is.

To be surprised that accusations of being bigoted are being leveled against Dad Ricketts is disingenuous.

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I think One Post may have missed a joke. :lol:

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
Do you think bigotry should be illegal, have some kind of formal penalty? I know you're not saying this, but sometimes it seems you wish you could control the thoughts of millions of people.
Isn't this the standard "Free speech doesn't mean you are free from consequences of that speech"? I don't think the government should punish you but if the free market chooses to then I don't see it as an issue.



I agree. Boycott Ameritrade or the Cubs if you want. But there seems to be a discussion about "what to do about Joe Ricketts." There's nothing to been done about Joe Ricketts. Don't patronize his businesses. The end.
Isn't that what is ultimately happening though? MLB has to decide if this is worth the potential cost and whether they need to react or not.

There is no potential cost Rick. Wrigley will sell out regardless. No one ( well certainly not enough people to matter ) is going to stop watching the Cubs because Joe Ricketts hates Muslims .

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Look, I hate peas. I view peas as my food enemy. Do you really need a report of every meal I've eaten over the past 39 years to surmise that I've not consumed many peas based on my personal statements that I view peas as my food enemy? I'd think not.
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You are reading and posting in a thread in which the ultimate thrust and topic of the thread is a series of e-mails where a man said stuff like:

"All Muslims are my enemy"

"No Muslim is capable of respecting a Jew or a Christian"

in addition to a bunch of other offensive discourse via e-mail. Not sure why you are shocked that the individual who made those statement is being identified as a bigot in this thread.

You'd have a valid complaint if in a thread about favorite ice cream flavors someone started posting about bigots being bigots, however, you're a big boy: you know what this thread is about, you know what Dad Ricketts wrote, you understand what a bigot is.

To be surprised that accusations of being bigoted are being leveled against Dad Ricketts is disingenuous.

leash doesn't like peas either. You wrote all this shit for nothing :lol:

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
Do you think bigotry should be illegal, have some kind of formal penalty? I know you're not saying this, but sometimes it seems you wish you could control the thoughts of millions of people.
Isn't this the standard "Free speech doesn't mean you are free from consequences of that speech"? I don't think the government should punish you but if the free market chooses to then I don't see it as an issue.



I agree. Boycott Ameritrade or the Cubs if you want. But there seems to be a discussion about "what to do about Joe Ricketts." There's nothing to been done about Joe Ricketts. Don't patronize his businesses. The end.


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I think One Post may have missed a joke. :lol:


Nope, I'm just a fucking dunce sometimes, wrong quoted post.


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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
Do you think bigotry should be illegal, have some kind of formal penalty? I know you're not saying this, but sometimes it seems you wish you could control the thoughts of millions of people.
Isn't this the standard "Free speech doesn't mean you are free from consequences of that speech"? I don't think the government should punish you but if the free market chooses to then I don't see it as an issue.



I agree. Boycott Ameritrade or the Cubs if you want. But there seems to be a discussion about "what to do about Joe Ricketts." There's nothing to been done about Joe Ricketts. Don't patronize his businesses. The end.


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There is no potential cost Rick. Wrigley will sell out regardless. No one ( well certainly not enough people to matter ) is going to stop watching the Cubs because Joe Ricketts hates Muslims .
Ok, I look forward to MLB coming out and saying "Nothing will be done because no one that matters is going to care about this".

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Do you think bigotry should be illegal, have some kind of formal penalty? I know you're not saying this, but sometimes it seems you wish you could control the thoughts of millions of people.



I'll go a step further. What about unconscious bias? We all have it.


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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
Do you think bigotry should be illegal, have some kind of formal penalty? I know you're not saying this, but sometimes it seems you wish you could control the thoughts of millions of people.
Isn't this the standard "Free speech doesn't mean you are free from consequences of that speech"? I don't think the government should punish you but if the free market chooses to then I don't see it as an issue.

Did anybody actually previously think that Joe Ricketts liked Muslims? If so, none of y'all know any 77+ year old active or retired businessmen living in DuPage or Kendall County (excluding Naperville's more woke areas).

What are you all going to do when Sinclair forms the Cubs TV network? Stop watching?

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and everyone is immediately like, oh, well the kid's opinions are different than the father

What exactly do we know about milquetoast Tom Ricketts? It's like the quiet person you just assume is a good guy.

Laura Ricketts seems to absolve herself just because of her sexual orientation.


I know it's your shtick around here to blindly shit on everything Cubs, but lets be a little more tactful here.

Nobody should have to pay for the sins of their father in a situation like this. Dad Ricketts is pretty clearly a bigot, but let's allow his children some rode here and not imply that because Dad Ricketts is a shitbag when it concerns his views on people of different backgrounds and cultures, that any or all of his kids are the same.

This is kind of a biggie as far as issues go, a person should be judged on their own views.


Well, of course, fuck the Cubs but...

What are their views?

Everyone assumes the good in the absence of any information. I don't think you should assume the bad, just not assume anything at all.

I think there is some evidence that at least one of his kids didn't privately find his dad's views overly objectionable.

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Sadly, people at both extremes of our political spectrum are in the camp of:

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I should be shielded from anybody who does not share my opinion. If you have an opinion that differs from mine, it is hurtful and wrong and you should be killed, or at least stripped of your assets and left to be homeless in Detroit.

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
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Some of you live in a fantasy world where calling people bigots somehow makes you noble.

It's what passes for analysis among many. I'm not denying that bigotry does not exist or that those who point it out are feeble-minded, but man, discussions go beyond publicly branding people are bigots.


If you could open up the personal communications of every employed person on Earth, what % do you think would have statements considered "offensive" by many?

69%

It does matter though. I agree it's not a substitute for discourse and it doesnt confer nobility.

I know you're not saying this but some times it seems like you're saying, "yea bigots exist who cares? Lets move on."



Do you think bigotry should be illegal, have some kind of formal penalty? I know you're not saying this, but sometimes it seems you wish you could control the thoughts of millions of people.

Fuck yea, I do. That would be awesome.

And no it shouldn't be illegal, but I do think it's wrong. Also I think it's often relevant in political discussions, especially with our last two Presidents.

Not liking Obama because he was drone happy carries more weight to me than not liking Obama because he's black.

It's interesting though. I dont think I bring up race or racism a lot. But when it is brought up, Im not shy about saying what I believe.

Maybe it's because I grew up where the majority of people were either bigoted or shrugged their shoulders about bigotry and said things like, "yea, that's just how Jimmy is, but he's a good guy, though"

I think looking the other way or pretending it doesn't matter makes it more likely to continue.


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Chet Coppock's Fur Coat wrote:
What are you all going to do when Sinclair forms the Cubs TV network? Stop watching?


This is the problem with someone like Julie DiCaro. She knows the answer to all her complaints about the Cubs. Stop patronizing them. But she doesn't want to do that. Because it would cost her something, her entertainment, her emotional connection to the team, the joy the Cubs occasionally bring her. But she knows the right thing to do for someone who feels the way she does. She's just too fucking weak to do it. So she complains on the radio and wants someone else to "do something" so she can continue with her pleasure and not feel guilty about it.

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sometimes it seems you wish you could control the thoughts of millions of people.

Fuck yea, I do. That would be awesome.


:lol: :lol:

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
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Do you think bigotry should be illegal, have some kind of formal penalty? I know you're not saying this, but sometimes it seems you wish you could control the thoughts of millions of people.
Isn't this the standard "Free speech doesn't mean you are free from consequences of that speech"? I don't think the government should punish you but if the free market chooses to then I don't see it as an issue.



I agree. Boycott Ameritrade or the Cubs if you want. But there seems to be a discussion about "what to do about Joe Ricketts." There's nothing to been done about Joe Ricketts. Don't patronize his businesses. The end.

Just making this clear, my "what should we do?" thing was meant to imply "there is nothing to do here"


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Chet Coppock's Fur Coat wrote:
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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
Do you think bigotry should be illegal, have some kind of formal penalty? I know you're not saying this, but sometimes it seems you wish you could control the thoughts of millions of people.
Isn't this the standard "Free speech doesn't mean you are free from consequences of that speech"? I don't think the government should punish you but if the free market chooses to then I don't see it as an issue.

Did anybody actually previously think that Joe Ricketts liked Muslims? If so, none of y'all know any 77+ year old active or retired businessmen living in DuPage or Kendall County (excluding Naperville's more woke areas).

What are you all going to do when Sinclair forms the Cubs TV network? Stop watching?


This is ultimately the question.

I have said this before in semi jest but on a very real level, supporting the Cubs is supporting some reprehensible social and political positions. There is certainly a greater nexus between a Cub fan supporting Joe Ricketts by supporting the Cubs than Joe Ricketts paying for public unions with his taxes.

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I don’t know about Bryan but the SJWs like Bernsie and JDC absolutely want to impose social penalties upon offenders.

I guess you have to define impose social penalties.

Boycotting and choosing not patronize is very American. Literally lawful penalties would be the opposite of American.


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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
Chet Coppock's Fur Coat wrote:
What are you all going to do when Sinclair forms the Cubs TV network? Stop watching?


This is the problem with someone like Julie DiCaro. She knows the answer to all her complaints about the Cubs. Stop patronizing them. But she doesn't want to do that. Because it would cost her something, her entertainment, her emotional connection to the team, the joy the Cubs occasionally bring her. But she knows the right thing to do for someone who feels the way she does. She's just too fucking weak to do it. So she complains on the radio and wants someone else to "do something" so she can continue with her pleasure and not feel guilty about it.

I boycotted the Tribune Company for the last 2/3 of the 2006 season, from the point where they lost 11 of 12 including being swept by San Diego with back-to-back walk-offs, until Dusty Baker was gone. No newspaper, no WGN radio or TV. I watched games if they had a national feed, otherwise I read the recaps on Bleed Cubbie Blue the next day.

But that's because Dusty personally wasted my time by making stupid decisions with that goat abortion of a team.

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Is someone in this thread advocating for a punishment for Joe? I think Rick is joking with banning him from Wrigley.


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Is someone in this thread advocating for a punishment for Joe? I think Rick is joking with banning him from Wrigley.
I'm not joking. It's the same punishment that Marge Schott got.

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Is someone in this thread advocating for a punishment for Joe? I think Rick is joking with banning him from Wrigley.
I'm not joking. It's the same punishment that Marge Schott got.

oh.

I mean, from a selfish standpoint, that wouldnt affect me so I dont care. How did Marge Schott get found out?

I mean it's his personal email. I don't know if you want to start (continue) punishing people for that.


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