Barring injury of course. I guess it’s not that big of a surprise with the NBA nowadays but as recently as like 5-7 years ago I always thought that was one of the more untouchable career records.

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Best pg of the decade.

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Fuck outta here. He’s not close to Steph, Kyrie, and Paul.

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Don't even mention that bitch in the same breath. That bozo can't even get first team all NBA and you're comparing him to a guy who's averaging a triple double for three years straight. Paul is the only one who comes close.

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Russ doesn’t come close to Paul or Kyrie. He produces empty stats night after night. He’s definitely good, but he’s not taking over a game 7 NBA Finals good like Kyrie. He’s not a flawless player like Paul. He’s not one of the most dominant players of the last 30 years like Steph. You’ve always been a box score scout but this is an especially bad take.

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You must be mentioning Kyrie to only troll me. No all NBA first team no relevance.

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That’s just dumb.

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I’ll tag in LTG and let him take it from here. He was a former Russ guy but he gets it now.

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Empty stats only happen when you lose consistently. Good stats and winning equals legit greatness.

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How many playoff games did Russ win in his MVP season? How many of those wins and losses came against a great team?

Paul George is that team now. It’ll be interesting to see how many triple doubles Russ racks up as his side kick along the way though.

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Westbrook is rewriting history. The only pg who has done that recently is maybe Curry.

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How is Russ any different from Chris Paul?

Neither has won anything. Both put up a lot of stats, but what has it really got them?

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If you watch the games Russ is better? That’s it.

We can argue efficiency and defense vs rebounds and total assists but Paul is better. How is this arguable? We aren’t arguing players from the 70’s, we’ve all(we being anyone interested in this discussion) have all watched these players hundreds of times over the last decade. Russ did some extraordinary things but Paul has always been consistently better. I guess maybe it doesn’t seem that way due to Paul being on the decline now.

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I forgot your go to discussion ender.

My bad, carry on.

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Not maybe. Steph is rewriting history while winning championships. Your guy is putting up irrelevant stats on middle seed teams. Zero comparison there. Steph has no equal currently in the NBA at his position.

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I'm not as down on Westbrook as you are. When he was good i'd put him in the top 7 for sure.

Interesting how you've done an about face on Paul George also. He wasn't all that good and overrated according to you. No way better than Butler.

Guess that is one for the books.

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That’s only a discussion ender to those who have nothing else to say. Feel free to add to the discussion instead of just asking a question and shitting on the answer you get.

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George is playing better than he ever has. Stop with this ridiculous “can’t change your opinion with new facts available” stance. You being stubborn is making you sound increasingly out of touch when it comes to guys like Jokic. Learn how to adapt your opinions to how players are playing.

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I actually agree with you that overall Paul is better, but to act like it is not even close is wrong.

Russ and Paul are very close in how things have went for their career. Neither have won anything. But Russ is said to be putting up irrelevant stats while Paul is considered a flawless player.

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"Irrelevant stats"? Can you let you us know why you started this thread?

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That’s because I think paul is one. I think steph is better but wouldn’t consider him flawless. What was the weakness in Paul’s game? I can point to a few in Russ’s game.

If we are talking the best of the best players ever I think it’s fair to bring titles into it but at least Paul won playoff series. Westbrook hasn’t done a goddamn thing without Durant carrying him.

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Because I find it interesting how the new style is rewriting record books by guys who aren’t all time greats.

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That's just an open lie. Russ is a great and will enter the HOF the second he's eligible. What you're doing is just like starting a thread to praise apples and then following up with posts in the same thread about how apples are the worst food ever.

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You misconstrued this. Ltg and most others who frequent this forum know Ive never intended on praising Westbrook. He plays a losing, selfish brand of basketball that can sometimes be extraordinary. That criticism was falsely applied to Iverson and others in the past but it’s true with him. He’s continuing to prove it post-Durant. Let me know when he wins a postseason series. It’ll be awhile.

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I get that you never intended to praise him but it looks like his historic achievements compelled you to do so almost involuntarily. That's greatness.

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Not really. All this post tells me is you completely lack any perspective of historical context.

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This isn't really even a fair statement. When he won in the past it was because of Durant. Now if they are able to win this year it will be because of George. So no matter what happens you will be critical.

The guy is on pace to break an all time great players record....one that you said was not long ago considered untouchable. Yet he will not be considered an all time great player.

He has issues no doubt, but the man has put up all time great stats...and if/when he passes Oscar he has to be considered an all time great...even if he plays a selfish stupid game at times.

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So now no stat matters because the "context" of today degrades everyone's achievements. Well, not Kawhi or whoever else you like. Russ? Definitely.

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I don’t know what to tell you. I find the stats interesting like I said but I watch a shit ton of games during this entire era. He’s not an all time great. He does a lot of stupid shit and doesn’t do enough good things to overcome it.

And yes it is fair if he can’t even get to the fuckin second round with a top 5 MVP candidate on his team.

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No. Everything can be put in proper context. It really just takes watching the games and having an understanding of the value of different stats and metrics and how those are changing.

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