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PostPosted: Mon Feb 18, 2019 10:12 am 
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I def think Wayne traded his silence for the safety of his family first, and maybe a partial answer second.

Roland’s intentions in 2015 are still a question for me, and I really want to know what happened to them in 1990 after Roland freaks out about shooting Harris James. Also, how did old man Hoyt know about James being killed the day after when Wayne and Roland are the only two who were there?

I’ve been reading this sub for half the season to get more of a true detective fix.

https://www.reddit.com/r/TrueDetective/

Yeah, that was a punch in the gut. What they do with james' car?


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Did Wayne exchange his silence for an answer in 90?

If so did he ever tell Roland?


Possibly. If that's the case I'm sure 2015 Wayne doesn't remember.


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Hoyt may know they got James because his car was bugged, but he may not know he’s dead. He might think he rolled on him and now he is going to try to bribe Hayes.


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Hoyt may know they got James because his car was bugged, but he may not know he’s dead. He might think he rolled on him and now he is going to try to bribe Hayes.

That's what I'm thinking. Car is who knows where and James is missing. Hoyt made an assumption. Either that or Roland's a snitch but that's not very credible.


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Hoyt may know they got James because his car was bugged, but he may not know he’s dead. He might think he rolled on him and now he is going to try to bribe Hayes.

That's what I'm thinking. Car is who knows where and James is missing. Hoyt made an assumption. Either that or Roland's a snitch but that's not very credible.


Roland being a snitch/mole has a lot of play on reddit for some reason.

Everyone keeps referencing some look exchanged between him and James.

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Hoyt may know they got James because his car was bugged, but he may not know he’s dead. He might think he rolled on him and now he is going to try to bribe Hayes.

That's what I'm thinking. Car is who knows where and James is missing. Hoyt made an assumption. Either that or Roland's a snitch but that's not very credible.


Roland being a snitch/mole has a lot of play on reddit for some reason.

Everyone keeps referencing some look exchanged between him and James.

Could be the rift. Hays' wondering if Roland's a Hoyt hire.


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Hoyt may know they got James because his car was bugged, but he may not know he’s dead. He might think he rolled on him and now he is going to try to bribe Hayes.

That's what I'm thinking. Car is who knows where and James is missing. Hoyt made an assumption. Either that or Roland's a snitch but that's not very credible.


Roland being a snitch/mole has a lot of play on reddit for some reason.

Everyone keeps referencing some look exchanged between him and James.

Could be the rift. Hays' wondering if Roland's a Hoyt hire.


Why not just shoot Hayes during the struggle then?

I see how its plausible but it just doesn't fit for me.

I am also interested in how Hayes' daughter plays into this. It's like something happened to her at college.

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 18, 2019 11:56 am 
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Roland is in on it.


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Hoyt may know they got James because his car was bugged, but he may not know he’s dead. He might think he rolled on him and now he is going to try to bribe Hayes.

That's what I'm thinking. Car is who knows where and James is missing. Hoyt made an assumption. Either that or Roland's a snitch but that's not very credible.


Roland being a snitch/mole has a lot of play on reddit for some reason.

Everyone keeps referencing some look exchanged between him and James.

Could be the rift. Hays' wondering if Roland's a Hoyt hire.


Why not just shoot Hayes during the struggle then?

I see how its plausible but it just doesn't fit for me.

I am also interested in how Hayes' daughter plays into this. It's like something happened to her at college.

No way Roland's a mole. Doesn't mean Hays doesn't think about it and maybe voice it.


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Nardi wrote:
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Hoyt may know they got James because his car was bugged, but he may not know he’s dead. He might think he rolled on him and now he is going to try to bribe Hayes.

That's what I'm thinking. Car is who knows where and James is missing. Hoyt made an assumption. Either that or Roland's a snitch but that's not very credible.

Something is definitely up with Roland.

That's the only way old man Hoyt knows about it the next day.

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I tried manually looking this up an my anti virus about choked.

What is it?

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Roland is in on it.


No chance.

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Matt using Russian software?

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The ambiguity of Roland’s character is good writing, but even better acting by Dorff.

We could be led to believe he’s involved like we weren’t sure about Amelia earlier in the season.

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I'm not buying the car being bugged, or Harris having a wire, but having the car out front of Hays' house might set the stage for believing that they were followed somehow when they themselves were tailing Harris.

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Screenshot someone posted on True Detective Reddit.


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Screenshot someone posted on True Detective Reddit.

I don't see anything.

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I'm not buying the car being bugged, or Harris having a wire, but having the car out front of Hays' house might set the stage for believing that they were followed somehow when they themselves were tailing Harris.

Ok, I might believe Hoyt is onto them due to the phone and data inquiries Hays did to get the Vegas records, combined with the fact that Harris dropped off the face of the Earth.

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It just hit me: The reporter is a Hoyt plant - maybe even a granddaughter - sent to see exactly what Hays remembers, so they know whether they have to off him or not.

That's why it was important for her to sleep with the son.

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It just hit me: The reporter is a Hoyt plant - maybe even a granddaughter - sent to see exactly what Hays remembers, so they know whether they have to off him or not.

That's why it was important for her to sleep with the son.



Now that would be a good twist.

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It just hit me: The reporter is a Hoyt plant - maybe even a granddaughter - sent to see exactly what Hays remembers, so they know whether they have to off him or not.

That's why it was important for her to sleep with the son.



Now that would be a good twist.

. . . and Julie was buying a pregnancy test at the drug store - or diapers.

Does the reporter look to be about 24-25 years old?

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It just hit me: The reporter is a Hoyt plant - maybe even a granddaughter - sent to see exactly what Hays remembers, so they know whether they have to off him or not.

That's why it was important for her to sleep with the son.



Now that would be a good twist.


Idk. I think it would be easy to check her credentials, and the legitimacy of the documentary.

Maybe tho.

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Great call, Panther. Can't wait to watch the last one.


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Hoyt may know they got James because his car was bugged, but he may not know he’s dead. He might think he rolled on him and now he is going to try to bribe Hayes.

Hoyt knows because James was "bait". They expected him to get caught. Domestic ID requirements didn't come about till the mid to late 90s, so why would they have James fly out to Vegas under his "real" name? They wanted him to be the guy Hayes and Roland went after


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It just hit me: The reporter is a Hoyt plant - maybe even a granddaughter - sent to see exactly what Hays remembers, so they know whether they have to off him or not.

That's why it was important for her to sleep with the son.



No this show will end pretty Occam’s Razor I dont expect a super big twist. That also would seem unnecessarily dramatic for this show. This show relies on mood more than it does plot.


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Hoyt may know they got James because his car was bugged, but he may not know he’s dead. He might think he rolled on him and now he is going to try to bribe Hayes.

Hoyt knows because James was "bait". They expected him to get caught. Domestic ID requirements didn't come about till the mid to late 90s, so why would they have James fly out to Vegas under his "real" name? They wanted him to be the guy Hayes and Roland went after


Yeah I think you're right.

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Hoyt may know they got James because his car was bugged, but he may not know he’s dead. He might think he rolled on him and now he is going to try to bribe Hayes.

Hoyt knows because James was "bait". They expected him to get caught. Domestic ID requirements didn't come about till the mid to late 90s, so why would they have James fly out to Vegas under his "real" name? They wanted him to be the guy Hayes and Roland went after



Seems reasonable. Plus in that part of the world they own a lot of eyes and ears.


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