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It's a cheap offer when you know the price to play is 10/300.

Anyway, I'm glad you agree that the Sox totally failed on this one.


Correct. It is like me going to MGM and sitting at the high stakes poker table with a 100,000 buy in and
only bringing 85,000. They would show me the way to the Circus Circus poker tables.

Your 250MIL will get you some very nice FA's. Jose Iglesias is a SS you could afford and still have money left over for Jerry's investors.


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These things are not mutually exclusive. There doesn't have to be a lane chosen here, because both of these things are correct;
The Sox made a legitmate offer to Machado.

The Sox offseason is a failure.


It wasn't a cheap offer but it was an illegitimate one.

I just told a customer "I dont know why you arent getting filled, 3.30 is a legitimate bid on corn!"



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It wasn't a cheap offer
I accept your apology.

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Juiced wrote:
FavreFan wrote:
It's a cheap offer when you know the price to play is 10/300.

Anyway, I'm glad you agree that the Sox totally failed on this one.


Correct. It is like me going to MGM and sitting at the high stakes poker table with a 100,000 buy in and
only bringing 85,000. They would show me the way to the Circus Circus poker tables.

Your 250MIL will get you some very nice FA's. Jose Iglesias is a SS you could afford and still have money left over for Jerry's investors.

...or it's like when you are buying a house and you make an offer that is less than the price that has been listed by the realtor.

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Juiced wrote:
FavreFan wrote:
It's a cheap offer when you know the price to play is 10/300.

Anyway, I'm glad you agree that the Sox totally failed on this one.


Correct. It is like me going to MGM and sitting at the high stakes poker table with a 100,000 buy in and
only bringing 85,000. They would show me the way to the Circus Circus poker tables.

Your 250MIL will get you some very nice FA's. Jose Iglesias is a SS you could afford and still have money left over for Jerry's investors.

...or it's like when you are buying a house and you make an offer that is less than the price that has been listed by the realtor when the realtor listed the house below market value in the first place.


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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Juiced wrote:
FavreFan wrote:
It's a cheap offer when you know the price to play is 10/300.

Anyway, I'm glad you agree that the Sox totally failed on this one.


Correct. It is like me going to MGM and sitting at the high stakes poker table with a 100,000 buy in and
only bringing 85,000. They would show me the way to the Circus Circus poker tables.

Your 250MIL will get you some very nice FA's. Jose Iglesias is a SS you could afford and still have money left over for Jerry's investors.

...or it's like when you are buying a house and you make an offer that is less than the price that has been listed by the realtor.


Yeah no.


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Big Chicagoan wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Juiced wrote:
FavreFan wrote:
It's a cheap offer when you know the price to play is 10/300.

Anyway, I'm glad you agree that the Sox totally failed on this one.


Correct. It is like me going to MGM and sitting at the high stakes poker table with a 100,000 buy in and
only bringing 85,000. They would show me the way to the Circus Circus poker tables.

Your 250MIL will get you some very nice FA's. Jose Iglesias is a SS you could afford and still have money left over for Jerry's investors.

...or it's like when you are buying a house and you make an offer that is less than the price that has been listed by the realtor when the realtor listed the house below market value in the first place.

This is just insanity. $300 million/10 years is the biggest contract in North American sports! That was below value?

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Frank Coztansa wrote:
good dolphin wrote:
It wasn't a cheap offer
I accept your apology.


I made that same statement yesterday irrespective of you.

I believe it was denis who asked the question

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Big Chicagoan wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Juiced wrote:
FavreFan wrote:
It's a cheap offer when you know the price to play is 10/300.

Anyway, I'm glad you agree that the Sox totally failed on this one.


Correct. It is like me going to MGM and sitting at the high stakes poker table with a 100,000 buy in and
only bringing 85,000. They would show me the way to the Circus Circus poker tables.

Your 250MIL will get you some very nice FA's. Jose Iglesias is a SS you could afford and still have money left over for Jerry's investors.

...or it's like when you are buying a house and you make an offer that is less than the price that has been listed by the realtor when the realtor listed the house below market value in the first place.

This is just insanity. $300 million/10 years is the biggest contract in North American sports! That was below value?

It's not the biggest contract in North American sports though.

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Big Chicagoan wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Juiced wrote:
FavreFan wrote:
It's a cheap offer when you know the price to play is 10/300.

Anyway, I'm glad you agree that the Sox totally failed on this one.


Correct. It is like me going to MGM and sitting at the high stakes poker table with a 100,000 buy in and
only bringing 85,000. They would show me the way to the Circus Circus poker tables.

Your 250MIL will get you some very nice FA's. Jose Iglesias is a SS you could afford and still have money left over for Jerry's investors.

...or it's like when you are buying a house and you make an offer that is less than the price that has been listed by the realtor when the realtor listed the house below market value in the first place.

This is just insanity. $300 million/10 years is the biggest contract in North American sports! That was below value?


It will be so for maybe one week.

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FavreFan wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Big Chicagoan wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Juiced wrote:
FavreFan wrote:
It's a cheap offer when you know the price to play is 10/300.

Anyway, I'm glad you agree that the Sox totally failed on this one.


Correct. It is like me going to MGM and sitting at the high stakes poker table with a 100,000 buy in and
only bringing 85,000. They would show me the way to the Circus Circus poker tables.

Your 250MIL will get you some very nice FA's. Jose Iglesias is a SS you could afford and still have money left over for Jerry's investors.

...or it's like when you are buying a house and you make an offer that is less than the price that has been listed by the realtor when the realtor listed the house below market value in the first place.

This is just insanity. $300 million/10 years is the biggest contract in North American sports! That was below value?

It's not the biggest contract in North American sports though.
Ok, the biggest free agent contract in North American sports!

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good dolphin wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Big Chicagoan wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Juiced wrote:
FavreFan wrote:
It's a cheap offer when you know the price to play is 10/300.

Anyway, I'm glad you agree that the Sox totally failed on this one.


Correct. It is like me going to MGM and sitting at the high stakes poker table with a 100,000 buy in and
only bringing 85,000. They would show me the way to the Circus Circus poker tables.

Your 250MIL will get you some very nice FA's. Jose Iglesias is a SS you could afford and still have money left over for Jerry's investors.

...or it's like when you are buying a house and you make an offer that is less than the price that has been listed by the realtor when the realtor listed the house below market value in the first place.

This is just insanity. $300 million/10 years is the biggest contract in North American sports! That was below value?


It will be so for maybe one week.

It's not even right now. It never was.

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good dolphin wrote:
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good dolphin wrote:
It wasn't a cheap offer
I accept your apology.


I made that same statement yesterday irrespective of you.

I believe it was denis who asked the question


That’s all I said in response to the other thread- not cheap. The Sox made a strong offer and came up short. I’d give them credit if it was my team. I still love their young talent. But I understand the disappointment.

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denisdman wrote:
good dolphin wrote:
Frank Coztansa wrote:
good dolphin wrote:
It wasn't a cheap offer
I accept your apology.


I made that same statement yesterday irrespective of you.

I believe it was denis who asked the question


That’s all I said in response to the other thread- not cheap. The Sox made a strong offer and came up short. I’d give them credit if it was my team. I still love their young talent. But I understand the disappointment.


Here is my disagreement: it was not cheap but it was not strong. Their offer sat on the table long enough for the Padres to swoop in after not having even interviewed the guy through the first half of FA. That is a weak offer.

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It's not even right now. It never was.
I forgot the words "free agent". Is this really what you are concerned about now?

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
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It's not even right now. It never was.
I forgot the words "free agent". Is this really what you are concerned about now?

I'm not really concerned with anything. Just correcting an incorrect statement.

There's really no defense of the White Sox front office in this scenario regardless of how one tries to spin it. An abject failure is the only reasonable way to describe their recruitment of Manny Machado.

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good dolphin wrote:
denisdman wrote:
good dolphin wrote:
Frank Coztansa wrote:
good dolphin wrote:
It wasn't a cheap offer
I accept your apology.


I made that same statement yesterday irrespective of you.

I believe it was denis who asked the question


That’s all I said in response to the other thread- not cheap. The Sox made a strong offer and came up short. I’d give them credit if it was my team. I still love their young talent. But I understand the disappointment.


Here is my disagreement: it was not cheap but it was not strong. Their offer sat on the table long enough for the Padres to swoop in after not having even interviewed the guy through the first half of FA. That is a weak offer.

It’s pretty simple . If you as an organization identify this player as being THE GUY, you give him what he wants and you certainly don’t let the San Diego fucking Padres swoop in and take your kill. Should start calling them the Cuck Sox. .

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FavreFan wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
FavreFan wrote:
It's not even right now. It never was.
I forgot the words "free agent". Is this really what you are concerned about now?

I'm not really concerned with anything. Just correcting an incorrect statement.

There's really no defense of the White Sox front office in this scenario regardless of how one tries to spin it. An abject failure is the only reasonable way to describe their recruitment of Manny Machado.

Correct.
They failed. Period.

I do not think they realize the damage they've done.

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If we cannot compete with the Padres, what hope do we have of competing with anyone? We will be stuck in an eternal Pirate loop of producing minor league talent, nurturing it into early stage success at the MLB level and then trading them at their peak because we know we will be outbid elsewhere when they hit FA. That is presupposing we can produce minor league talent like the Pirates, which we have not shown an ability to do.

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FavreFan wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
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It's not even right now. It never was.
I forgot the words "free agent". Is this really what you are concerned about now?

I'm not really concerned with anything. Just correcting an incorrect statement.
That really moved the discussion forward. Thank you.

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If we cannot compete with the Padres, what hope do we have of competing with anyone? We will be stuck in an eternal Pirate loop of producing minor league talent, nurturing it into early stage success at the MLB level and then trading them at their peak because we know we will be outbid elsewhere when they hit FA. That is presupposing we can produce minor league talent like the Pirates, which we have not shown an ability to do.


And it's not like the Padres are making their first splash...they gave the fucking Wizard of Hos $144m. The Sox high water mark is what, Abreu at $70m or so? I think I heard the Sox have only $30m committed to 2020 payroll, so it will be interesting to see what they do.

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Manny "missed the boat" is the headline, but it's interesting that the contract could have been worth up to $340 million if he hit incentives. The Sox wanted some protections.

http://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/2603 ... -white-sox

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Manny "missed the boat" is the headline, but it's interesting that the contract could have been worth up to $340 million if he hit incentives. The Sox wanted some protections.

http://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/2603 ... -white-sox

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If we cannot compete with the Padres, what hope do we have of competing with anyone? We will be stuck in an eternal Pirate loop of producing minor league talent, nurturing it into early stage success at the MLB level and then trading them at their peak because we know we will be outbid elsewhere when they hit FA. That is presupposing we can produce minor league talent like the Pirates, which we have not shown an ability to do.


And it's not like the Padres are making their first splash...they gave the fucking Wizard of Hos $144m. The Sox high water mark is what, Abreu at $70m or so? I think I heard the Sox have only $30m committed to 2020 payroll, so it will be interesting to see what they do.


The Sox are one of only four teams remaining to have never given out a nine figure contract.

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Brooks Boyer trying to make lemonade out of lemons with his “ just pretend we signed Machado “ night this July is pretty solid .

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
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It's not even right now. It never was.
I forgot the words "free agent". Is this really what you are concerned about now?

I'm not really concerned with anything. Just correcting an incorrect statement.
That really moved the discussion forward. Thank you.

As much as your post did. You're welcome.

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badrogue17 wrote:
good dolphin wrote:
denisdman wrote:
good dolphin wrote:
Frank Coztansa wrote:
good dolphin wrote:
It wasn't a cheap offer
I accept your apology.


I made that same statement yesterday irrespective of you.

I believe it was denis who asked the question


That’s all I said in response to the other thread- not cheap. The Sox made a strong offer and came up short. I’d give them credit if it was my team. I still love their young talent. But I understand the disappointment.


Here is my disagreement: it was not cheap but it was not strong. Their offer sat on the table long enough for the Padres to swoop in after not having even interviewed the guy through the first half of FA. That is a weak offer.

It’s pretty simple . If you as an organization identify this player as being THE GUY, you give him what he wants and you certainly don’t let the San Diego fucking Padres swoop in and take your kill. Should start calling them the Cuck Sox. .



Yup.. especially when all the big boys( Cubs, Yanks, Boston, Dodgers) took a pass on these guys..this was the year for scrub teams to land a big time FA

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Frank's kid is growing up quickly

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oezSm-TQeu8

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good dolphin wrote:
If we cannot compete with the Padres, what hope do we have of competing with anyone? We will be stuck in an eternal Pirate loop of producing minor league talent, nurturing it into early stage success at the MLB level and then trading them at their peak because we know we will be outbid elsewhere when they hit FA. That is presupposing we can produce minor league talent like the Pirates, which we have not shown an ability to do.


Bingo. They are the Pirates without the ability to develop or identify talent.

Watch the Quintana trade develop into a wash soon enough. It won’t be the raping of the Sox that was the Sale trade, but it will turn out to be about even for both teams.


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