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 Post subject: Re: Jussie Smollet
PostPosted: Thu Feb 21, 2019 11:07 pm 
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If you want to get into whataboutism, what about the fact that Roseanne and Megyn Kelly were fired immediately just for words (Kelly's wasn't even derogatory) while Smollett maintains a job and many supporters after staging a fake lynching that turned into a weeks-long national circus and wasted millions in resources? His display was about as racist as you can get. It was also not a victimless crime.


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If you want to get into whataboutism, what about the fact that Roseanne and Megyn Kelly were fired immediately just for words (Kelly's wasn't even derogatory) while Smollett maintains a job and many supporters after staging a fake lynching that turned into a weeks-long national circus and wasted millions in resources? His display was about as racist as you can get. It was also not a victimless crime.


He was arrested and is facing a felony charge.

Think he got it worse than Roseanne.

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Well he should. The two things aren't even comparable.

Our legal system still works. It's the court of public opinion that is fucked up.


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That’s a different language.


So is the redundant, dismissive method of addressing points routine that you always pull. Let me give you a heads up. I have no interest in addressing any point that you make. There is nothing you post that I find remotely interesting and I know you have an agenda.

With that being the case I promise not to respond to anything you post provided you don't respond to anything I post. Deal?


You are too stupid to respond to. You should not be a teacher. You should be able to post here, but you should not be telling anyone about history or English.



I don't find you to be all that intelligent and your incessant need to always deflect things is boring. It's a defense mechanism that you use to compensate for your inability to comprehend basic English. Anytime you wish to play the credential game (since you have a weird preoccupation with my occupation) feel free.
I will obliterate your stupid ass. Won't take long either. Bring 2 thousand minimum or else don't bother.


In the meantime my original point stands. I will not respond to you about anything as long as you avoid responding to me.

Again Deal?

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If you want to get into whataboutism, what about the fact that Roseanne and Megyn Kelly were fired immediately just for words (Kelly's wasn't even derogatory) while Smollett maintains a job and many supporters after staging a fake lynching that turned into a weeks-long national circus and wasted millions in resources? His display was about as racist as you can get. It was also not a victimless crime.


He was arrested and is facing a felony charge.

Think he got it worse than Roseanne.


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the bond proffer was a great read. walks you through the entire thing from start to finish, pdf linked below

http://tmz.vo.llnwd.net/o28/newsdesk/tmz_documents/jussie-smollett-bond-proffer-01.pdf


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 Post subject: Re: Jussie Smollet
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WaitingforRuffcorn wrote:
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That’s a different language.


So is the redundant, dismissive method of addressing points routine that you always pull. Let me give you a heads up. I have no interest in addressing any point that you make. There is nothing you post that I find remotely interesting and I know you have an agenda.

With that being the case I promise not to respond to anything you post provided you don't respond to anything I post. Deal?


You are too stupid to respond to. You should not be a teacher. You should be able to post here, but you should not be telling anyone about history or English.



Stop yourself! You can't even write a complete sentence. I always knew that you were quite ignorant. You are sort of an idiot.

Don't ever question anyone's intellectual abilities again. You are really quite dumb. No wonder people on here partake in rhetorical flyovers whenever you're involved in discussions. I knew you were an idiot but I never knew that the idiocy ran this deep.


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It isn't speculative as it is fairly easy to draw a correlation. Believing that it creates "crutches" is what is speculative.


Then draw the correlation and be specific about isolating the specific practice of affirmative action. It certainly has created a crutch look. At incoming test scores to colleges by race. I don't blame the kids. Saying a 3.3 is as good as a 4.0 is going to alter a person's behavior.

Do you thing having lower academic standards for blacks permanently was the original plan?


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I don't think Jussie needs serious years behind bars or anything like that. It would be nice if he had to do social work outside his upscale life bubble in say a small farming community of Trump supporters for a few weeks. That's usually the best way to realize your enemy is the the deplorable you believe them to be.

That said I don't think there will be any lessons learned from this. Jussie's lawyers are already hinting at a police conspiracy. And I doubt there will ever be anything sincere that results from this.


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They determined that the letter sent to Jussie was only ground up aspirin. So the threat has been averted.

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 Post subject: Re: Jussie Smollet
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Ltg resorts to name calling....

Waitinginruffcorn wins this round.


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 Post subject: Re: Jussie Smollet
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storkinastorm wrote:
If you want to get into whataboutism, what about the fact that Roseanne and Megyn Kelly were fired immediately just for words (Kelly's wasn't even derogatory) while Smollett maintains a job and many supporters after staging a fake lynching that turned into a weeks-long national circus and wasted millions in resources? His display was about as racist as you can get. It was also not a victimless crime.

Kelly wasn't really fired for what she said. Her ratings were terrible and they used that as an excuse.

Roseanne got hosed


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I once hired a couple brothers to do a job. They fucked it up too.

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 Post subject: Re: Jussie Smollet
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Ltg resorts to name calling....

Waitinginruffcorn wins this round.


Nah Someguy. This dude really happens to be stupid. A few on here have touched on it previously. I never paid much attention to just how dumb he happens to be, but his constant questioning of status has forced me to take a closer look.

He can't even formulate a complete sentence. "Crutch look"? "Ground up"? "Sincere"?

Explains a lot now. The rambling fool is not only ignorant, (knew that already) but he is also stupid. Read that dumb shit. There is more, much more in fact

The dismissive, condescending attitude is a product of being ignorant and utterly stupid. The dismissive remarks are one of the ways for his dumbass to stay in the race sort of speak.

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 Post subject: Re: Jussie Smollet
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The dismissive, condescending attitude is a product of being ignorant and utterly stupid.
:lol: :lol: You are THE single most dismissive and condescending poster on this board.

Thanks for the laugh this morning, chief. You're lack of intelligence and self awareness seemingly knows no bounds. Its pretty hilarious.

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 Post subject: Re: Jussie Smollet
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Ltg resorts to name calling....

Waitinginruffcorn wins this round.


Nah Someguy. This dude really happens to be stupid. A few on here have touched on it previously. I never paid much attention to just how dumb he happens to be, but his constant questioning of status has forced me to take a closer look.

He can't even formulate a complete sentence. "Crutch look"? "Ground up"? "Sincere"?
You have to edit your posts three, sometimes four times to get as many of your grammatical and spelling errors cleaned up as you can. And even then, you don't get all of them.


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Bring on the CFMB insulation service. Like gnats to a damn lightbulb. If there is one thing that is predictable about this site that would be it.

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the bond proffer was a great read. walks you through the entire thing from start to finish, pdf linked below

http://tmz.vo.llnwd.net/o28/newsdesk/tmz_documents/jussie-smollett-bond-proffer-01.pdf



Mailing the bogus ibuprofen-laced threat letter to the studio is the most likely thing to get him prison time. Feds like to throw the book at high-profile perps, e.g., Martha Stewart, Wesley Snipes; who if they were joe anonymous facing the same charges/same criminal history would only be looking at probation.


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 Post subject: Re: Jussie Smollet
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I don't want to pile on LTG, but you literally have said this about people who likely assisted in a rape, and who certainly assaulted/robbed people- it doesn't matter because Trump is evil and racist for taking out a newspaper ad.

I know that he is just an evil character in your mind, but think about the case from his prospective for a second. He is a major real estate owner in New York. He also had a wife and young daughter at the time. Don't you think a high profile gruesome rape and beating in his back yard is going to cause a visceral reaction from him? He was putting pressure on the police. It's not ideal, but it's more forgivable than beating random people in Central Park for fun.

You did the same thing with the Smollett case. Who cares if he lied or embellished. There is more evidence that Trump is a Russian spy.

These are unhinged reactions. Maybe it's just the way things are now due to smart phones and social media, but you don't respond to anything. You return to the same rant in any conversation about the news while throwing in insults and fuck you for flavor.

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 Post subject: Re: Jussie Smollet
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I don't want to pile on LTG, but you literally have said this about people who likely assisted in a rape, and who certainly assaulted/robbed people- it doesn't matter because Trump is evil and racist for taking out a newspaper ad.

I know that he is just an evil character in your mind, but think about the case from his prospective for a second. He is a major real estate owner in New York. He also had a wife and young daughter at the time. Don't you think a high profile gruesome rape and beating in his back yard is going to cause a visceral reaction from him? He was putting pressure on the police. It's not ideal, but it's more forgivable than beating random people in Central Park for fun.

You did the same thing with the Smollett case. Who cares if he lied or embellished. There is more evidence that Trump is a Russian spy.

These are unhinged reactions. Maybe it's just the way things are now due to smart phones and social media, but you don't respond to anything. You return to the same rant in any conversation about the news while throwing in insults and fuck you for flavor.



He rushed to judgment. When he was proven wrong he never admitted it. It doesn't matter what his perceptions were. He called for them to receive the death penalty. New York didn't even have a death penalty at the time. Suppose one of those kids or all, would have been executed. Then what? Suppose one of them would have been killed in jail after being falsely accused.

Having a moral compass, which you clearly lack doesn't make one unhinged either. I might be guessing but something tells me that you aren't qualified to provide psychiatric evaluations. With that being the case you probably should dispense with the Psychobabble.

You routinely excuse all forms of racism so it isn't a surprise to anyone here that you would choose to do so in this instance. The fact that Trump and the police got it wrong isn't the issue either. The fact that he continued to insist that they were guilty well after they'd been exonerated is the issue.

I'm sorry that you can't ever seem to comprehend what relevant points happen to be. I'm also sorry that you have a narrow view of the world. A view that frankly prevents you from ever being objective about anything. Particularly issues involving race. That is your problem and no amount of backslapping and cheerleading from people with similar worldviews will ever change that.

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See what I mean about not responding to anything? You returned to Trump is a racist. You are a racist. The Central Park Five are not innocent is what the article Jorr posted said. You have completely ignored that.

What if Trump got them executed? Is not responding to anything. It's creating some made up scenario to avoid the facts. These guys played liberal guilt about the past to million dollar payouts and completely ignoring their crimes. Yet you use the story to illustrate that the country has a real problem with racism.

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 Post subject: Re: Jussie Smollet
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See what I mean about not responding to anything? You returned to Trump is a racist. You are a racist. The Central Park Five are not innocent is what the article Jorr posted said. You have completely ignored that.

What if Trump got them executed? Is not responding to anything. It's creating some made up scenario to avoid the facts. These guys played liberal guilt about the past to million dollars payouts and completely ignoring their crimes. Yet you use the story to illustrate that the country has a real problem with racism.


So now they played upon liberal guilt? See how hypocritical you happen to be? You have spent the better part of a week bemoaning the fact that Jussie Smollett falsely used the term "MAGA" yet you have no sympathy for guys that actually happened to be victims. You are full of shit.


Another thing since you are oh so interested in what I do for a living. You know a person that "would never be allowed in front of anyone's children" idiot? Do we really need to ask that question. I know that I don't. Open bigotry isn't tolerated. They would walk a two bit, partisan hack such as yourself out in less than a week. You know why? Besides being ignorant, uneducated, ill informed, functionally illiterate and "unhinged" you are a damn bigot. I worked with a guy a few years ago that was walked out when it was discovered that he held bigoted views.

There is no way anyone would ever trust a bigoted jerk like you to ever educate their children. While you constantly try and belittle all the time (really got to draw straws in order to discern where the inflated sense of superiority emanates don't we?) there is no way in hell that people of either race would ever feel comfortable with a bumbling, bigoted, buffoon educating their children.

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At first I was taken aback by the cheering and mouth foaming at the possibility of Smollett being jailed.

Then I realized if you don’t like gay and/or black people this is probably better than Christmas for you.

MAGA



Yeah Bills just got to love the consternation and outrage.

For about a year or two I brought up Donald Trump calling for the Death Penalty for the Central Park Five and people on here barely blinked. Some even joked about it. Mind you these kids actually did time and had their life completely turned upside down. Barely a notice. Yet its oh so egregious because he lied on a ghost essentially.


I'm not sure why you keep insisting the Central Park 5 are innocent. There's a lot that suggests they aren't.

That's not true.

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At first I was taken aback by the cheering and mouth foaming at the possibility of Smollett being jailed.

Then I realized if you don’t like gay and/or black people this is probably better than Christmas for you.

MAGA



Yeah Bills just got to love the consternation and outrage.

For about a year or two I brought up Donald Trump calling for the Death Penalty for the Central Park Five and people on here barely blinked. Some even joked about it. Mind you these kids actually did time and had their life completely turned upside down. Barely a notice. Yet its oh so egregious because he lied on a ghost essentially.


I'm not sure why you keep insisting the Central Park 5 are innocent. There's a lot that suggests they aren't.

That's not true.


Did you even read the article?

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In addition to the confessions, one of the other boys, while in the back of a patrol car, cried that he “didn’t do the murder,” but that he knew who did: Antron McCray. The boy beside him, Kevin Richardson, agreed: “Antron did it.” The jogger hadn’t yet been found. Later on, after Raymond Santana had been interrogated about the rape, he was being driven to another precinct. Without prompting, he blurted out, “I had nothing to do with the rape. All I did was feel her tits.”

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I did read the article.

Are you familiar enough with the case to realize how ridiculous those quotes sound in light of actual scientific evidence?

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Another thing since you are oh so interested in what I do for a living. You know a person that "would never be allowed in front of anyone's children" idiot? Do we really need to ask that question. I know that I don't. Open bigotry isn't tolerated. They would walk a two bit, partisan hack such as yourself out in less than a week. You know why? Besides being ignorant, uneducated, ill informed, functionally illiterate and "unhinged" you are a damn bigot. I worked with a guy a few years ago that was walked out when it was discovered that he held bigoted views.

There is no way anyone would ever trust a bigoted jerk like you to ever educate their children. While you constantly try and belittle all the time (really got to draw straws in order to discern where the inflated sense of superiority emanates don't we?) there is no way in hell that people of either race would ever feel comfortable with a bumbling, bigoted, buffoon educating their children.
Jumpin' Jesus Christ can this guy just be banned already?


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Another thing since you are oh so interested in what I do for a living. You know a person that "would never be allowed in front of anyone's children" idiot? Do we really need to ask that question. I know that I don't. Open bigotry isn't tolerated. They would walk a two bit, partisan hack such as yourself out in less than a week. You know why? Besides being ignorant, uneducated, ill informed, functionally illiterate and "unhinged" you are a damn bigot. I worked with a guy a few years ago that was walked out when it was discovered that he held bigoted views.

There is no way anyone would ever trust a bigoted jerk like you to ever educate their children. While you constantly try and belittle all the time (really got to draw straws in order to discern where the inflated sense of superiority emanates don't we?) there is no way in hell that people of either race would ever feel comfortable with a bumbling, bigoted, buffoon educating their children.
Jumpin' Jesus Christ can this guy just be banned already?

I thought you didn't want ANYONE banned? I could easily be misremembering though.

Anyway, the solution isn't to ban ltg. The solution is to bring back long time gay, the GOAT mult.

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Another thing since you are oh so interested in what I do for a living. You know a person that "would never be allowed in front of anyone's children" idiot? Do we really need to ask that question. I know that I don't. Open bigotry isn't tolerated. They would walk a two bit, partisan hack such as yourself out in less than a week. You know why? Besides being ignorant, uneducated, ill informed, functionally illiterate and "unhinged" you are a damn bigot. I worked with a guy a few years ago that was walked out when it was discovered that he held bigoted views.

There is no way anyone would ever trust a bigoted jerk like you to ever educate their children. While you constantly try and belittle all the time (really got to draw straws in order to discern where the inflated sense of superiority emanates don't we?) there is no way in hell that people of either race would ever feel comfortable with a bumbling, bigoted, buffoon educating their children.
Jumpin' Jesus Christ can this guy just be banned already?

I thought you didn't want ANYONE banned? I could easily be misremembering though.



Further illustrating just how full of shit he actually happens to be. I seemed to have hit a nerve with ol Stalking Horse haven't I? Can I get a "triggered" from the peanut gallery or will a simple "Trigger" suffice? Seeing as he is Stalking Horse and all. :lol: :lol: :lol:


"Oh can you please ban him for calling hypocritical bigots out for being hypocritical bigots". Look at these handjobs fall all over themselves as they try and justify bullshit.

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I did read the article.

Are you familiar enough with the case to realize how ridiculous those quotes sound in light of actual scientific evidence?


They have a confession and DNA evidence taken from the guy that actually did the killing. Still likely that the Central Park Five did it however.

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I did read the article.

Are you familiar enough with the case to realize how ridiculous those quotes sound in light of actual scientific evidence?


The article addresses the scientific evidence. It was a different era, and that type of evidence was not tracked like it is today. So much of it was lost.
If you don't leave your semen in a victim, but you held her down and "felt her tits" are you really innocent?

Let's say they did not attack that particular jogger, they were involved in serious assaults in Central Park that same night. The criminal justice system is pretty terrible, but let's not pretend these were innocent honor roll students who were arrested only because they were black. That has happened, but it's not the case here.

They were likely involved. They threatened the primary person behind the rape into recanting his story to say they weren't. And then they fleeced the tax payers for millions.

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Another thing since you are oh so interested in what I do for a living. You know a person that "would never be allowed in front of anyone's children" idiot? Do we really need to ask that question. I know that I don't. Open bigotry isn't tolerated. They would walk a two bit, partisan hack such as yourself out in less than a week. You know why? Besides being ignorant, uneducated, ill informed, functionally illiterate and "unhinged" you are a damn bigot. I worked with a guy a few years ago that was walked out when it was discovered that he held bigoted views.

There is no way anyone would ever trust a bigoted jerk like you to ever educate their children. While you constantly try and belittle all the time (really got to draw straws in order to discern where the inflated sense of superiority emanates don't we?) there is no way in hell that people of either race would ever feel comfortable with a bumbling, bigoted, buffoon educating their children.
Jumpin' Jesus Christ can this guy just be banned already?

I thought you didn't want ANYONE banned? I could easily be misremembering though.

Anyway, the solution isn't to ban ltg. The solution is to bring back long time gay, the GOAT mult.


On banning: It depends on what moderating approach the Wiseboys apply. Originally, when the approach was nearly completely hands-off—like when I made a stink about doxxing and the reply was "we want you to police yourselves"—then no, I don't think anyone should be banned but for the most egregious, "know it when I see it" offenses.

On LTG[ay]: I agree it is the greatest parody mult of all time, but it was almost TOO good.


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 Post subject: Re: Jussie Smollet
PostPosted: Fri Feb 22, 2019 12:29 pm 
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long time guy wrote:
FavreFan wrote:
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long time guy wrote:
Another thing since you are oh so interested in what I do for a living. You know a person that "would never be allowed in front of anyone's children" idiot? Do we really need to ask that question. I know that I don't. Open bigotry isn't tolerated. They would walk a two bit, partisan hack such as yourself out in less than a week. You know why? Besides being ignorant, uneducated, ill informed, functionally illiterate and "unhinged" you are a damn bigot. I worked with a guy a few years ago that was walked out when it was discovered that he held bigoted views.

There is no way anyone would ever trust a bigoted jerk like you to ever educate their children. While you constantly try and belittle all the time (really got to draw straws in order to discern where the inflated sense of superiority emanates don't we?) there is no way in hell that people of either race would ever feel comfortable with a bumbling, bigoted, buffoon educating their children.
Jumpin' Jesus Christ can this guy just be banned already?

I thought you didn't want ANYONE banned? I could easily be misremembering though.



Further illustrating just how full of shit he actually happens to be. I seemed to have hit a nerve with ol Stalking Horse haven't I? Can I get a "triggered" from the peanut gallery or will a simple "Trigger" suffice? Seeing as he is Stalking Horse and all. :lol: :lol: :lol:


"Oh can you please ban him for calling hypocritical bigots out for being hypocritical bigots". Look at these handjobs fall all over themselves as they try and justify bullshit.
The only bigot in this discussion is you, LTG.


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 Post subject: Re: Jussie Smollet
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If you truly want someone banned, try not engaging with them all the time and see if maybe it becomes less of a burden on yourself.

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