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I'm not sure there has been a more overloved guy that Albert Almora playing in Chicago.



He's similar to Adam Engel but Cub fans think he's better than Adam Jones.

Right now, he's more like Henry Cotto. Good defender, good against LH pitching, will play for over a decade in the league.

His upside is Garry Maddox, but he's got to get there soon. The DH coming to the NL would help, as then he could bat 9th against RHP and 1st against LHP.

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They liked him before he arrived. His role in the world series is a little less than that of Geoff Blum.

Dont you love Geoff Blum?


No. I don't care about him

Interesting.

Every player who had a hand me seeing a World Series win in my lifetime will always have a certain amount of love from me.


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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
Frank Coztansa wrote:
I'm not sure there has been a more overloved guy that Albert Almora playing in Chicago.



He's similar to Adam Engel but Cub fans think he's better than Adam Jones.

Career numbers:

Adam Engel .260/.314/.574

Albert Almora .326/.412/.738

Adam Jones .318/.456/.774


Which two are more alike?


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rogers park bryan wrote:
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They liked him before he arrived. His role in the world series is a little less than that of Geoff Blum.

Dont you love Geoff Blum?


No. I don't care about him

Interesting.

Every player who had a hand me seeing a World Series win in my lifetime will always have a certain amount of love from me.


I hate everything white sox right now so not hating him has some status

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rogers park bryan wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
Frank Coztansa wrote:
I'm not sure there has been a more overloved guy that Albert Almora playing in Chicago.



He's similar to Adam Engel but Cub fans think he's better than Adam Jones.

Career numbers:

Adam Engel .260/.314/.574

Albert Almora .326/.412/.738

Adam Jones .318/.456/.774


Which two are more alike?


:lol: You left their number of plate appearances out. I'm gonna say when the careers are in the books it will be apparent that what I said was correct.

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good dolphin wrote:
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They liked him before he arrived. His role in the world series is a little less than that of Geoff Blum.

Dont you love Geoff Blum?


No. I don't care about him

Interesting.

Every player who had a hand me seeing a World Series win in my lifetime will always have a certain amount of love from me.


I hate everything white sox right now so not hating him has some status

Very fair take.

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
rogers park bryan wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
Frank Coztansa wrote:
I'm not sure there has been a more overloved guy that Albert Almora playing in Chicago.



He's similar to Adam Engel but Cub fans think he's better than Adam Jones.

Career numbers:

Adam Engel .260/.314/.574

Albert Almora .326/.412/.738

Adam Jones .318/.456/.774


Which two are more alike?


:lol: You left their number of plate appearances out. I'm gonna say when the careers are in the books it will be apparent that what I said was correct.



Interesting strategy, always kick the can down the road where you can't be proven completely wrong until a decade later. Like Quintana

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312player wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
rogers park bryan wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
Frank Coztansa wrote:
I'm not sure there has been a more overloved guy that Albert Almora playing in Chicago.



He's similar to Adam Engel but Cub fans think he's better than Adam Jones.

Career numbers:

Adam Engel .260/.314/.574

Albert Almora .326/.412/.738

Adam Jones .318/.456/.774


Which two are more alike?


:lol: You left their number of plate appearances out. I'm gonna say when the careers are in the books it will be apparent that what I said was correct.



Interesting strategy, always kick the can down the road where you can't be proven completely wrong until a decade later. Like Quintana


:lol: :lol: I was spot on about Quintana and you're butthurt that he's on your team now and you gave up prized prospects for a mediocrity.

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
rogers park bryan wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
Frank Coztansa wrote:
I'm not sure there has been a more overloved guy that Albert Almora playing in Chicago.



He's similar to Adam Engel but Cub fans think he's better than Adam Jones.

Career numbers:

Adam Engel .260/.314/.574

Albert Almora .326/.412/.738

Adam Jones .318/.456/.774


Which two are more alike?


:lol: You left their number of plate appearances out. I'm gonna say when the careers are in the books it will be apparent that what I said was correct.

Maybe but right now, Almora and Engel are not comparable in any way.


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:lol: Sure they are.

They are both part time players/platoon guys who would easily start 130+ games in CF every year if they were better hitters.

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:lol: Sure they are.

They are both part time players/platoon guys who would easily start 130+ games in CF every year if they were better hitters.

Except they arent, at all.

But I will keep in mind that you believe OBP of .275 and .330 are similar. And .289 and .207 for batting average.



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Is Almora a platoon guy or not? YES OR NO

Because Engel pretty much is.

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rogers park bryan wrote:
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:lol: Sure they are.

They are both part time players/platoon guys who would easily start 130+ games in CF every year if they were better hitters.

Except they arent, at all.

But I will keep in mind that you believe OBP of .275 and .330 are similar. And .289 and .207 for batting average.
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And I'm going to say those numbers will be a lot closer after the 2019 season.

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
312player wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
rogers park bryan wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
Frank Coztansa wrote:
I'm not sure there has been a more overloved guy that Albert Almora playing in Chicago.



He's similar to Adam Engel but Cub fans think he's better than Adam Jones.

Career numbers:

Adam Engel .260/.314/.574

Albert Almora .326/.412/.738

Adam Jones .318/.456/.774


Which two are more alike?


:lol: You left their number of plate appearances out. I'm gonna say when the careers are in the books it will be apparent that what I said was correct.



Interesting strategy, always kick the can down the road where you can't be proven completely wrong until a decade later. Like Quintana


:lol: :lol: I was spot on about Quintana and you're butthurt that he's on your team now and you gave up prized prospects for a mediocrity.




I was against that trade from day one, but he's better than a .500 pitcher..you were wrong. Look at his W-L record with a competent organization.

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
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:lol: Sure they are.

They are both part time players/platoon guys who would easily start 130+ games in CF every year if they were better hitters.

Except they arent, at all.

But I will keep in mind that you believe OBP of .275 and .330 are similar. And .289 and .207 for batting average.



And I'm going to say those numbers will be a lot closer after the 2019 season.

Ok, so you are expecting a big jump from Engel.

Im talking about right now.


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Frank Coztansa wrote:
:lol: Sure they are.

They are both part time players/platoon guys who would easily start 130+ games in CF every year if they were better hitters.


Adam Engle is a full time player and probably experiences a reduction in his stats because he is not protected from those who can best manipulate his difficulties

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rogers park bryan wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
rogers park bryan wrote:
Frank Coztansa wrote:
:lol: Sure they are.

They are both part time players/platoon guys who would easily start 130+ games in CF every year if they were better hitters.

Except they arent, at all.

But I will keep in mind that you believe OBP of .275 and .330 are similar. And .289 and .207 for batting average.



And I'm going to say those numbers will be a lot closer after the 2019 season.

Ok, so you are expecting a big jump from Engel.

Im talking about right now.



No. I'm expecting a marginal jump from Engel and a marginal decline from Almora (once his at-bats aren't hand-selected by "Genius" Joe Maddon).

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Is Almora a platoon guy or not? YES OR NO

Because Engel pretty much is.

A platoon guy on a team that wins 90 every year vs a team that loses 90 every year is not close to the same thing.

The 2018 Cubs had 4 outfielders who are starting caliber (at least 1.0 WAR)

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
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:lol: Sure they are.

They are both part time players/platoon guys who would easily start 130+ games in CF every year if they were better hitters.

Except they arent, at all.

But I will keep in mind that you believe OBP of .275 and .330 are similar. And .289 and .207 for batting average.



And I'm going to say those numbers will be a lot closer after the 2019 season.

Ok, so you are expecting a big jump from Engel.

Im talking about right now.



No. I'm expecting a marginal jump from Engel and a marginal decline from Almora (once his at-bats aren't hand-selected by "Genius" Joe Maddon).

Ok, well right now the difference is significant. So marginal changes from both will still have Almora as much better.


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good dolphin wrote:
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:lol: Sure they are.

They are both part time players/platoon guys who would easily start 130+ games in CF every year if they were better hitters.


Adam Engle is a full time player and probably experiences a reduction in his stats because he is not protected from those who can best manipulate his difficulties

Engel

Get on the same page on whether he is a starter or not and come back.


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rogers park bryan wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
rogers park bryan wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
rogers park bryan wrote:
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:lol: Sure they are.

They are both part time players/platoon guys who would easily start 130+ games in CF every year if they were better hitters.

Except they arent, at all.

But I will keep in mind that you believe OBP of .275 and .330 are similar. And .289 and .207 for batting average.



And I'm going to say those numbers will be a lot closer after the 2019 season.

Ok, so you are expecting a big jump from Engel.

Im talking about right now.



No. I'm expecting a marginal jump from Engel and a marginal decline from Almora (once his at-bats aren't hand-selected by "Genius" Joe Maddon).

Ok, well right now the difference is significant. So marginal changes from both will still have Almora as much better.


Let's revisit it after the season.

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Jorr, Would Almora be the best outfielder on the Sox?

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:

Let's revisit it after the season.

We can, but I am making no prediction, your original statement was in the present tense.

Right now, with the numbers they've put up Almora is clearly better than Engel. You wanted to take a shot at Cub fans but it was bad shot, especially since the Almora is much closer to Adam Jones by the numbers.


And the Cubs still have 5 decent outfielders so Almora will still see favorable match ups.


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rogers park bryan wrote:
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Is Almora a platoon guy or not? YES OR NO

A platoon guy
Thank you for agreeing with my original point.

Everything you wrote is not relevant to that part of the discussion.

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rogers park bryan wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:

Let's revisit it after the season.

We can, but I am making no prediction, your original statement was in the present tense.

Right now, with the numbers they've put up Almora is clearly better than Engel. You wanted to take a shot at Cub fans but it was bad shot, especially since the Almora is much closer to Adam Jones by the numbers.


And the Cubs still have 5 decent outfielders so Almora will still see favorable match ups.


I wasn't arguing about which guy had done more to date. I'm confident in my assessment of their abilities.

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Is Almora a platoon guy or not? YES OR NO

A platoon guy
Thank you for agreeing with my original point.

Everything you wrote is not relevant to that part of the discussion.

Actually everything I wrote is relevant. You continue to ruin your reputation as a baseball poster with this non sense.


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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:

Let's revisit it after the season.

We can, but I am making no prediction, your original statement was in the present tense.

Right now, with the numbers they've put up Almora is clearly better than Engel. You wanted to take a shot at Cub fans but it was bad shot, especially since the Almora is much closer to Adam Jones by the numbers.


And the Cubs still have 5 decent outfielders so Almora will still see favorable match ups.


I wasn't arguing about which guy had done more to date. I'm confident in my assessment of their abilities.

Ok, so the Cub fan is talking about what has already happened and the Sox fan is talking about the future and how his guy will improve.

I am not Almoraphile. I think he's a solid MLB starter. A guy who bats 7-9 on a great team.


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rogers park bryan wrote:
Frank Coztansa wrote:
rogers park bryan wrote:
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Is Almora a platoon guy or not? YES OR NO

A platoon guy
Thank you for agreeing with my original point.

Everything you wrote is not relevant to that part of the discussion.

Actually everything I wrote is relevant. You continue to ruin your reputation as a baseball poster with this non sense.
:lol: It was not relevant to Almora being a platoon player, a point which you agreed with. Which also means you agree that if he were a better hitter overall, he would start MANY more games. Don't come at me with this depth bullshit and 1 WAR outfielders that the Cubs have. This is the same team that had Willlllson Contreres in left field at one point because his bat was so valuable to the lineup.

So as I stated earlier, maybe just maybe Almora isn't as solid a player as you and other Cubs fans think he is.

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Frank Coztansa wrote:
rogers park bryan wrote:
Frank Coztansa wrote:
rogers park bryan wrote:
Frank Coztansa wrote:
Is Almora a platoon guy or not? YES OR NO

A platoon guy
Thank you for agreeing with my original point.

Everything you wrote is not relevant to that part of the discussion.

Actually everything I wrote is relevant. You continue to ruin your reputation as a baseball poster with this non sense.
:lol: It was not relevant to Almora being a platoon player, a point which you agreed with. Which also means you agree that if he were a better hitter overall, he would start MANY more games.

So as I stated earlier, maybe he isn't as solid as you and other Cubs fans think he is.

Again, your failure to recognize the difference between a great team with 5 starting caliber outfielders and a bad team with none is your problem here.

Ill adjust my expectations of your understanding of baseball going forward to avoid this in the future.


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rogers park bryan wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
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Let's revisit it after the season.

We can, but I am making no prediction, your original statement was in the present tense.

Right now, with the numbers they've put up Almora is clearly better than Engel. You wanted to take a shot at Cub fans but it was bad shot, especially since the Almora is much closer to Adam Jones by the numbers.


And the Cubs still have 5 decent outfielders so Almora will still see favorable match ups.


I wasn't arguing about which guy had done more to date. I'm confident in my assessment of their abilities.

Ok, so the Cub fan is talking about what has already happened and the Sox fan is talking about the future and how his guy will improve.

I am not Almoraphile. I think he's a solid MLB starter. A guy who bats 7-9 on a great team.


No. I'm simply talking about my personal assessment of the players. I think I know who all three guys are and I'm confident one of them is far better than the other two and when the numbers are completed and in the books my assessment will be correct.

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