It's a really difficult thing for most people to discuss without getting emotional. I'd say I'm kind of a nihilistic atheist so my objections are really just practical, i.e. what kind of society do we want to have? I think Golden Jet misunderstood me one time when I said that if someone really believes it's murder, that would obviously justify the murder of those performing it. I wasn't advocating for such action.

I don't think there's any justice/punishment for killing a living thing other than the justice/punishment that we design. But if we fail to acknowledge the humanity of the embryo, it's a short step to sanctioning the murder of an unwanted child (and I don't know what else you could call it at that point) which is already being written into law in certain states, and from there it's just another couple steps to me having the moral ground to kill you because you have stupid baseball opinions.

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Anybody here seen my old friend Bobby?
Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Elon, Tulsi, and Don

Well that might make the world a better place.

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The proverbial slippery slope taken to the extreme.

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As long as he was talking about FF.

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Serious question, though. When you have "doctors" performing abortions which they can legally do up to the moment a baby is born and they are respected in society and rewarded monetarily, how could you punish a scared young mother who gave birth and then put the child in the trash? What's the real difference? In fact, I might argue that the former is more repugnant as it is done for profit while the latter is likely done solely out of fear/confusion/panic. I have a lot more sympathy for that mother who didn't really know what to do, but now we are on that slippery slope.

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Anybody here seen my old friend Bobby?
Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Elon, Tulsi, and Don

I only deal with the living.

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Are there doctors performing abortion up to the time of birth?

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Nobody has better baseball opinions than me, believe me.

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Fare you well, fare you well
I love you more than words can tell
Listen to the river sing sweet songs
To rock my soul

How does someone who isn't gestating the baby have a potentially greater say than the person who IS gestating?

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I don't think he has a greater say.

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Anybody here seen my old friend Bobby?
Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Elon, Tulsi, and Don

Why draw the line at a fertilized embryo? Jizzing in a sock is stealing potential life.

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If he wins then he does. And even if he doesn't someone can use the threat of filing a case to compel another to give birth.

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I'm assuming the fetus and any tissue is long gone, how ya going to prove this kid was the Dad? All she has to say is she slept with a few people at that time.

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This point is another of my struggles. Take that logic into other equations and do the math to see how it comes out.

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Elections have consequences.

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Power is always in the hands of the masses of men. What oppresses the masses is their own ignorance, their own short-sighted selfishness.
- Henry George

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Make it simple. Until the umbilical cord is cut, the fetus is considered a piece of the woman's body. She has the final say up until that time. Leave this whole "child" concept out of the equation until the cord is cut.

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Or don't do that, because it's inhumane. Either/or, ya know.

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Fare you well, fare you well
I love you more than words can tell
Listen to the river sing sweet songs
To rock my soul

There's gonna be a tricky couple minutes there.

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Meh, it's a tumor until the cord is cut.

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Fare you well, fare you well
I love you more than words can tell
Listen to the river sing sweet songs
To rock my soul

When implanting the fetus into the man or some other vessel becomes a viable option, then get back to me.

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Baby is born. Doctor asks dad if he wants to cut the cord. Mom grabs scissors and stabs baby through the heart and kills it.

Slippery slope, man.

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Or just be like some of the more backward of the Muslims and east Asians and just kill the mother for having sex out of wedlock.

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"When people want their version of the truth, they go find it, no matter how baseless their beliefs." -- Ken Rosenthal

Killing the easy women is why those people are so uptight.

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Hey, I'd be fine with the prostitution version of food trucks - "Joanie's truck is going to be at Imperial Oak from 7-10pm. Blowjobs from just $50."

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"When people want their version of the truth, they go find it, no matter how baseless their beliefs." -- Ken Rosenthal

Some are tumors long after the cord is cut; memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=11120

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Guess this lawsuit is Plan C, huh?



I.S.M.O.

Are you serious?

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No one seems to be addressing the main issue here...

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