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THE CONVERSATION NBA COMMISSIONER Adam Silver had with Bill Simmons last week in Boston was perhaps the most candid and personal of his tenure. It was a refreshing departure from standard public sessions, which are often filled with rose-colored and obfuscation-filled comments.

One month from his five-year anniversary on the job, Silver admitted that the NBA has some real challenges. He said the league has made some mistakes that have caused him to lose sleep. He hinted that he's even re-evaluating what he wants his identity as commissioner to be.

There's no crisis, per se. Anyone who runs an $8 billion worldwide operation is always going to be managing a full plate of problems. He was letting us into his world in a way I've never seen before, sharing his real thoughts and fears -- or so it seems. And in a way, that showed both vulnerability and curiosity. It was wonderful.


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Here are a few things he said and explained:

The owners chose to make contracts shorter in the past few collective bargaining agreements. That was meant to protect teams from bad deals and protect players from getting stuck being underpaid. But the change has helped transfer power to star players because of their ability to change teams more easily, and they can now pressure teams because of it. This is no small admission.

While the league has touted its massive global social media following for a decade, the focus of the discourse might have changed in a way that has hurt the league.

"At some point it does matter what they're saying, in terms of our brand, our values and what we stand for," Silver said. "It's fine if it's speculation -- where is LeBron [James] going to go. People can talk about it and have all sorts of theories. It's not good when a player who is in the middle of a contract's agent shows up in a city he doesn't live and announces this player doesn't want to be here. That's bad for the fans there. It puts the league in a difficult position because it's an entertainment product."

This got plenty of attention, but he said it strikes him that many players are truly unhappy, despite the massive amount of money now in the game and its popularity. He was amazed at how isolated some star players are.

He said All-Star Game changes were like "putting an earring on the pig" and indicated that long-term he might want to scrap All-Star Weekend to make room on the schedule for a midseason tournament.

Here are two larger points that merit discussion:

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Silver said that market size imbalances are worrying him in a new way -- not as in the past, when players were limited in off-court opportunities if they played in small markets and therefore wanted to play only in big hubs. But now with the clustering of stars on teams -- even small-market teams -- the costs are creating cases in which teams might have to choose between keeping a contender together and franchise profitability.

"That's an unfair position to put our teams in," he said. "Are you willing to be a deep taxpayer and lose money in order to compete? That's a fault in our current system."

This is a big change from long-standing tradition, starting with David Stern, of the league saying a small market team could both compete and make money if it were well run -- if, say, you had Sam Presti as your general manager and not David Kahn. That's a hard sell these days, as Presti's Oklahoma City Thunder have one of the league's highest payrolls in one of its smallest markets so they could keep Paul George and Russell Westbrook. It's a path the Milwaukee Bucks could soon be headed down to keep their strong team alongside Giannis Antetokounmpo.

TV ratings for games are down this season. The All-Star Game ratings were down. Silver said the league is struggling to reach the millions of fans from the target age 18-34 demographic who don't have cable or streaming packages. They care about the league but don't build the habit of watching games on TV or in person, a core tenet of creating revenue.

"You see a tweet saying, 'Warriors-Rockets great matchup, Harden is going for 60.' The fact [is] you can't just [click] and get that game," Silver said. "That transactional friction has to be eliminated. We're being paid a lot of money to gate our content right now [by TV partners]. What's happening is demand and supply aren't meeting."

There are some real issues here. In addition to TV ratings, a midseason report that was recently distributed to teams showed that tickets sales are slightly down this season, according to sources. Overall ticket revenue is slightly up, but matched with the ratings trend, Silver has reason to be unsettled.

The Golden State Warriors make $3.4 million in gate revenue per game, best in the league. That's not a surprise, as it's a big market, and they're the best team. But the New York Knicks, the league's worst team, pull in an average of $2.9 million per game at the gate, sources said. Compared to the bottom of the list -- the Memphis Grizzlies get less than $1 million per night -- it shows the disparity.

This issue has been around as long as the league has. It's why the Warriors and Knicks pay into a pool of money that gets transferred to low-revenue teams such as the Grizzlies. But as Silver says, the Grizzlies would always have a great challenge to truly compete even if they were able to land two or three superstars. If the Knicks got two superstars -- and they're trying -- they'd be awash in cash like the Warriors.

That Silver is willing to discuss these topics is to be applauded. Since he became commissioner -- Silver recently got a big raise and a six-year contract extension -- he has focused a lot on revenue-generation.

He has negotiated a $24 billion TV rights deal, gotten a new, low-stress CBA done, brought in jersey ads and led the charge for legalizing sports betting while lobbying states to cut the league in on the deal.

There also have been player relations and transparency moves. He created last two-minute reports to make referee performance partially public. He has extended the All-Star break and regular season to build in extra rest and, at the request of James, made a rule that the team that wins the title gets to stay home for Christmas.

This version of Silver seemed so much different than the one who often answered questions pleasantly but somewhat dismissively -- "We'll take a fresh look at it" -- over the years. There was real meat here, and those who were at the panel or watched it got a better understanding of the health of the sport.

Silver seemed to start going down this path with comments during All-Star Weekend, when he admitted that some "unintended consequences" had led to star trade demands.

Here's hoping this continues. He seems to be spending a lot of his day worrying about how to get into the minds of millennials, be they players or fans. Being honest is a good way to start.


Some interesting stuff here, and you can find his full comments and interview online. It's ridiculous how much better he is at this than Goodell.

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Better than ((⚾[̲̅$̲̅(̲̅5)̲̅$̲̅]))Manfred((⚾[̲̅$̲̅(̲̅5)̲̅$̲̅])) ?


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Better than (⚾[̲̅$̲̅(̲̅5)̲̅$̲̅])Manfred(⚾[̲̅$̲̅(̲̅5)̲̅$̲̅]) ?

I'll leave that to you baseball folks to determine. Silver is really good. Manfred seems fine.

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Manfred has some goofy-assed ideas, but sometimes I think he floats them out there to get others to offer up better solutions.

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Baseball pace of play is a huge problem. It has caused me to turn off many games, and I am a huge fan. The game just stalls in the later innings. And it’s even worse when you have a slow pitcher and guys that step out of the box.

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Baseball pace of play is a huge problem. It has caused me to turn off many games, and I am a huge fan. The game just stalls in the later innings. And it’s even worse when you have a slow pitcher and guys that step out of the box.

Guys that step out of the box more than once per three pitches should be ordered by the commissioner to be drilled in the head with the next pitch, but have it count as a strike.

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Pace a play is only a problem because everybody has ADD now


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Pace a play is only a problem because everybody has ADD now

That seems true to me. I'm not even a big baseball guy but I don't notice this problem. Being stoned probably helps.

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Hockey has the best pace of play. The NBA would be fine, but too many fouls and end of game timeouts kill it for me.

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Manfred has some goofy-assed ideas, but sometimes I think he floats them out there to get others to offer up better solutions.


I agree. I think that he's actively trying to find a middle ground between Silver and Goodell.

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players acting as GMs is definitely a problem.

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players acting as GMs is definitely a problem.


It seems to me that it's really only LeBron and his camp. I'm not the biggest Butler fan, but that was a money and pecking order thing Minnesota screwed up.

And I can't really fault CP3 or Kyrie for wanting out. And I've never liked either of them for different reasons.

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players acting as GMs is definitely a problem.


It seems to me that it's really only LeBron and his camp. I'm not the biggest Butler fan, but that was a money and pecking order thing Minnesota screwed up.

And I can't really fault CP3 or Kyrie for wanting out. And I've never liked either of them for different reasons.


Anthony Davis is currently doing it. Butler did it for financial reasons and he still won't get the money he is asking for.

I hope it is just a Lebron problem.

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Interesting stuff.

What in the world would a midseason tournament be? That seems crazy.

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players acting as GMs is definitely a problem.


It seems to me that it's really only LeBron and his camp. I'm not the biggest Butler fan, but that was a money and pecking order thing Minnesota screwed up.

And I can't really fault CP3 or Kyrie for wanting out. And I've never liked either of them for different reasons.


Anthony Davis is currently doing it. Butler did it for financial reasons and he still won't get the money he is asking for.

I hope it is just a Lebron problem.

Many teams with a ton of cap space this summer. Butler's getting paid.

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players acting as GMs is definitely a problem.


It seems to me that it's really only LeBron and his camp. I'm not the biggest Butler fan, but that was a money and pecking order thing Minnesota screwed up.

And I can't really fault CP3 or Kyrie for wanting out. And I've never liked either of them for different reasons.


Anthony Davis is currently doing it. Butler did it for financial reasons and he still won't get the money he is asking for.

I hope it is just a Lebron problem.

Many teams with a ton of cap space this summer. Butler's getting paid.


He will get less than what Minnesota offered. Book it!

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players acting as GMs is definitely a problem.


It seems to me that it's really only LeBron and his camp. I'm not the biggest Butler fan, but that was a money and pecking order thing Minnesota screwed up.

And I can't really fault CP3 or Kyrie for wanting out. And I've never liked either of them for different reasons.


Anthony Davis is currently doing it. Butler did it for financial reasons and he still won't get the money he is asking for.

I hope it is just a Lebron problem.


It's been discussed with AD for awhile true, but the LeBron camp made this a league embarrassment. And I hope you're right about Jimmy.

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Regular Reader wrote:
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players acting as GMs is definitely a problem.


It seems to me that it's really only LeBron and his camp. I'm not the biggest Butler fan, but that was a money and pecking order thing Minnesota screwed up.

And I can't really fault CP3 or Kyrie for wanting out. And I've never liked either of them for different reasons.


Anthony Davis is currently doing it. Butler did it for financial reasons and he still won't get the money he is asking for.

I hope it is just a Lebron problem.


It's been discussed with AD for awhile true, but the LeBron camp made this a league embarrassment. And I hope you're right about Jimmy.


I think it's a byproduct of AAU culture. Whenever kids don't like their AAU situation they just simply switch teams.

Same thing happens once they get to college. Think it was last year where there were a record number of transfers. Always looking for the proverbial right fit.

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players acting as GMs is definitely a problem.


It seems to me that it's really only LeBron and his camp. I'm not the biggest Butler fan, but that was a money and pecking order thing Minnesota screwed up.

And I can't really fault CP3 or Kyrie for wanting out. And I've never liked either of them for different reasons.


Anthony Davis is currently doing it. Butler did it for financial reasons and he still won't get the money he is asking for.

I hope it is just a Lebron problem.


It's been discussed with AD for awhile true, but the LeBron camp made this a league embarrassment. And I hope you're right about Jimmy.


I think it's a byproduct of AAU culture. Whenever kids don't like their AAU situation they just simply switch teams.

Same thing happens once they get to college. Think it was last year where there were a record number of transfers. Always looking for the proverbial right fit.


In college I don't mind it much. No cash, revocable school commitments and free to roam coaches, they should take what they can get after signing at 17-18. Especially after the AAU "experience". But by pro contract #-3, I don't care what you think that AAU taught you to expect.

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I think it's because kids today are pussies.


MANY would agree with that. Had a High School coach tell me about one of his kids just yesterday. Kid's dad has been constantly harping about how great his kid is for the longest. Thinks he is a big time prospect. Wisconsin and U of I have inquired but the kid hasn't received any offers. Not from big time programs anyway.

Kid was supposed to play with the Fire on the AAU circuit this Summer. In Illinois there is no bigger program than they but the kid already has backed out because he was scared of competing with other kids that are good. Before they have had one practice he decided to quit and play for a much weaker AAU program. His decision was based solely on an unwillingness to compete against kids that might be better.

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I think it's because kids today are pussies.


MANY would agree with that. Had a High School coach tell me about one of his kids just yesterday. Kid's dad has been constantly harping about how great his kid is for the longest. Thinks he is a big time prospect. Wisconsin and U of I have inquired but the kid hasn't received any offers. Not from big time programs anyway.

Kid was supposed to play with the Fire on the AAU circuit this Summer. In Illinois there is no bigger program than they but the kid already has backed out because he was scared of competing with other kids that are good. Before they have had one practice he decided to quit and play for a much weaker AAU program. His decision was based solely on an unwillingness to compete with kids that might be better.


That's where you need somebody like Marvin Bagley's dad to tell him let's go, we're moving schools. You gotta play with better competition.


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I think it's because kids today are pussies.


MANY would agree with that. Had a High School coach tell me about one of his kids just yesterday. Kid's dad has been constantly harping about how great his kid is for the longest. Thinks he is a big time prospect. Wisconsin and U of I have inquired but the kid hasn't received any offers. Not from big time programs anyway.

Kid was supposed to play with the Fire on the AAU circuit this Summer. In Illinois there is no bigger program than they but the kid already has backed out because he was scared of competing with other kids that are good. Before they have had one practice he decided to quit and play for a much weaker AAU program. His decision was based solely on an unwillingness to compete with kids that might be better.


That's where you need somebody like Marvin Bagley's dad to tell him let's go, we're moving schools. You gotta play with better competition.


Kevin Garnett did the exact same thing years ago when he decided to move to Chicago. He credited this decision as the reason that he was able to go pro out of high school. Stated it was Public League competition which afforded him the opportunity to go pro out of High School. Said he never would have attempted it otherwise.

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. His decision was based solely on an unwillingness to compete against kids that might be better.


This doesn't surprise me.

I have seen a number of important kids quit, no show, steal, become ineligible, get in fights, etc across multiple sports the week of a big game over the last decade to avoid playing. A large number of kids can not handle the pressure.

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. His decision was based solely on an unwillingness to compete against kids that might be better.


This doesn't surprise me.

I have seen a number of important kids quit, no show, steal, become ineligible, get in fights, etc across multiple sports the week of a big game over the last decade to avoid playing. A large number of kids can not handle the pressure.


Man it's crazy. I think parental involvement has a lot to do with it. Parents are putting so much pressure on the kids its sickening. This kid's parent actually jumped in his High School coach's face and issued threats because his son was benched during a game last season.

They want to believe that their kid is the "next great thing" but they never want their kids to ever have to prove it.

This kid will probably be a mid major when the smoke clears but his family appears to be thinking high major or bust.

With that being the case they shouldn't be ducking EYBL. They're scared that he will be exposed so they won't him to play on a lesser circuit.

Once the offers don't come flooding in all of the pressure will fall on the HS coach to make good on the kid. Again crazy.

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Players becoming GMs is the greatest model ever. Perhaps the best thing going for individual liberties since the advent of the bill of rIghts.

Not sure why so many here idolize the quasi plantation model in the NBA.

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Players becoming GMs is the greatest model ever. Perhaps the best thing going for individual liberties since the advent of the bill of rIghts.

Not sure why so many here idolize the quasi plantation model in the NBA.


Don't know why MANY here continue to adhere to a silly trolling model. This even as its apparent that this particular model is well past its expiration date.

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Players becoming GMs is the greatest model ever. Perhaps the best thing going for individual liberties since the advent of the bill of rIghts.

Not sure why so many here idolize the quasi plantation model in the NBA.


Wonder what actual slaves that were beat and lynched would think of this comp?


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