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 Post subject: Re: Russell Westbrook
PostPosted: Tue Mar 12, 2019 11:14 pm 
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I guess we're just different but calling guys gay isn't funny and it's actually a slur. As far as it being juvenile you're correct. It is juvenile and in fact its something you'd be disciplined for in school if you were currently still a juvenile.

That is something you don't play with and I surely doubt that he says it if there weren't security there to protect him.


I also don't believe that his reaction means that he is a closeted homo either. I know plenty of people that would have reacted exactly the same way in that situation. He was essentially letting the guy know that he shouldn't play with him like that.

If he puts hands on him he would have been out of a lot of money. In retrospect it would have been stupid but in the heat of the moment it would have been totally understandable.

I'm not cool with not being able to make fun of people for damn near anything.

I think humor should be off-limits entirely - anything is game.

I abhor "offense culture". Westbrook made this a story by his senseless clickbait of a display.

Looks like its not something new, for RW, though:

https://boomphilly.com/3003014/russell-westbrook-gay/

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 Post subject: Re: Russell Westbrook
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I guess we're just different but calling guys gay isn't funny and it's actually a slur. As far as it being juvenile you're correct. It is juvenile and in fact its something you'd be disciplined for in school if you were currently still a juvenile.

That is something you don't play with and I surely doubt that he says it if there weren't security there to protect him.


I also don't believe that his reaction means that he is a closeted homo either. I know plenty of people that would have reacted exactly the same way in that situation. He was essentially letting the guy know that he shouldn't play with him like that.

If he puts hands on him he would have been out of a lot of money. In retrospect it would have been stupid but in the heat of the moment it would have been totally understandable.

I'm not cool with not being able to make fun of people for damn near anything.

I think humor should be off-limits entirely - anything is game.

I abhor "offense culture".

Looks like its not something new, for RW, though:

https://boomphilly.com/3003014/russell-westbrook-gay/



Making fun of people to his wife is one thing. Saying it directly to Westbrook is another. What's wrong with respecting the guy?

In situations like that I think it's best to simply leave him alone.

If Westbrook would have hit him in that situation I think most people would have approved . I'm sure the guy would have thought twice about making comments like that in the future.

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 Post subject: Re: Russell Westbrook
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Making fun of people to his wife is one thing. Saying it directly to Westbrook is another. What's wrong with respecting the guy?

In situations like that I think it's best to simply leave him alone.

If Westbrook would have hit him in that situation I think most people would have approved . I'm sure the guy would have thought twice about making comments like that in the future.

How old are you? If you wait around for every person to respect you because you want them to, you will be living in disappointment. Its more juvenile than gay jokes to expect such a thing. :lol:

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 Post subject: Re: Russell Westbrook
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Making fun of people to his wife is one thing. Saying it directly to Westbrook is another. What's wrong with respecting the guy?

In situations like that I think it's best to simply leave him alone.

If Westbrook would have hit him in that situation I think most people would have approved . I'm sure the guy would have thought twice about making comments like that in the future.

How old are you? If you wait around for every person to respect you because you want them to, you will be living in disappointment.


What culpability does the guy making the comment have in your opinion?

Running around openly disrespecting people is cause to get the shit beat out of you. If you think it isn't you're wrong. The best to prevent it is by treating people with respect.

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 Post subject: Re: Russell Westbrook
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Making fun of people to his wife is one thing. Saying it directly to Westbrook is another. What's wrong with respecting the guy?

In situations like that I think it's best to simply leave him alone.

If Westbrook would have hit him in that situation I think most people would have approved . I'm sure the guy would have thought twice about making comments like that in the future.

How old are you? If you wait around for every person to respect you because you want them to, you will be living in disappointment.


What culpability does the guy making the comment have in your opinion?

Zero. He is a fuckwad who yells shit. Are they going to outlaw yelling now?

Ignore him. Like any other person who was not trying to BE the story would.

We hated Mariotti for always putting the spotlight on himself, and this pud is no different. Especially if Mariotti was gay, too. They'd have even more in common!

Seems like the further society gets from Catholicism and Christianity, the more we are becoming a revenge-based, eye-for-an-eye-type society.

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 Post subject: Re: Russell Westbrook
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Panther pislA wrote:
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Making fun of people to his wife is one thing. Saying it directly to Westbrook is another. What's wrong with respecting the guy?

In situations like that I think it's best to simply leave him alone.

If Westbrook would have hit him in that situation I think most people would have approved . I'm sure the guy would have thought twice about making comments like that in the future.

How old are you? If you wait around for every person to respect you because you want them to, you will be living in disappointment.


What culpability does the guy making the comment have in your opinion?

Zero. He is a fuckwad who yells shit. Are they going to outlaw yelling now?

Ignore him. Like any other person who was not trying to BE the story would.

We hated Mariotti for always putting the spotlight on himself, and this pud is no different. Especially if Mariotti was gay, too. They'd have even more in common!



In the end what did Westbrook do? I'll tell you what he did. Exactly the same thing the guy did. He said some offensive shit. Had he put hands on him then you could say he overstepped.

He has a right to respond to the guy. That was always my point.

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 Post subject: Re: Russell Westbrook
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Panther pislA wrote:
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Making fun of people to his wife is one thing. Saying it directly to Westbrook is another. What's wrong with respecting the guy?

In situations like that I think it's best to simply leave him alone.

If Westbrook would have hit him in that situation I think most people would have approved . I'm sure the guy would have thought twice about making comments like that in the future.

How old are you? If you wait around for every person to respect you because you want them to, you will be living in disappointment.


What culpability does the guy making the comment have in your opinion?

Running around openly disrespecting people is cause to get the shit beat out of you. If you think it isn't you're wrong. The best to prevent it is by treating people with respect.

It is entirely illegal and not justified in the least to ever physically injure another over words, or to even threaten to do so if doing so is indeed imminently possible.

Period.

The laws did not change to the laws of the streets the last time I checked.

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 Post subject: Re: Russell Westbrook
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Panther pislA wrote:
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Making fun of people to his wife is one thing. Saying it directly to Westbrook is another. What's wrong with respecting the guy?

In situations like that I think it's best to simply leave him alone.

If Westbrook would have hit him in that situation I think most people would have approved . I'm sure the guy would have thought twice about making comments like that in the future.

How old are you? If you wait around for every person to respect you because you want them to, you will be living in disappointment.


What culpability does the guy making the comment have in your opinion?

Zero. He is a fuckwad who yells shit. Are they going to outlaw yelling now?

Ignore him. Like any other person who was not trying to BE the story would.

We hated Mariotti for always putting the spotlight on himself, and this pud is no different. Especially if Mariotti was gay, too. They'd have even more in common!



In the end what did Westbrook do? I'll tell you what he did. Exactly the same thing the guy did. He said some offensive shit. Had he put hands on him then you could say he overstepped.

He has a right to respond to the guy. That was always my point.

I think he is an egotist, but I would more than likely guess that the heckler touched a nerve with the gay thing. It was a textbook display of insecurity as far as I am concerned.

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 Post subject: Re: Russell Westbrook
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Saying he was going to fuck up the guy and his wife was verbal assault. If the guy wanted to, he could have gone to the states attorney's office and filed a complaint. There was no battery, as Westbrook did not follow through on his threat. But he made a threat and as much as the comments made by the fan may have been out of line, they in no way could be construed as threatening. Westbrook has now alerted fans everywhere that he has rabbit ears and may be liable to act out if provoked. Bad idea.

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 Post subject: Re: Russell Westbrook
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Saying he was going to fuck up the guy and his wife was verbal assault. If the guy wanted to, he could have gone to the states attorney's office and filed a complaint. There was no battery, as Westbrook did not follow through on his threat. But he made a threat and as much as the comments made by the fan may have been out of line, they in no way could be construed as threatening. Westbrook has now alerted fans everywhere that he has rabbit ears and may be liable to act out if provoked. Bad idea.



If we're going to get into legalities then Westbrook most definitely could have filed a civil suit for slander then.

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Saying he was going to fuck up the guy and his wife was verbal assault. If the guy wanted to, he could have gone to the states attorney's office and filed a complaint. There was no battery, as Westbrook did not follow through on his threat. But he made a threat and as much as the comments made by the fan may have been out of line, they in no way could be construed as threatening. Westbrook has now alerted fans everywhere that he has rabbit ears and may be liable to act out if provoked. Bad idea.

Indeed.

KD ditched his punk ass for a reason.

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Saying he was going to fuck up the guy and his wife was verbal assault. If the guy wanted to, he could have gone to the states attorney's office and filed a complaint. There was no battery, as Westbrook did not follow through on his threat. But he made a threat and as much as the comments made by the fan may have been out of line, they in no way could be construed as threatening. Westbrook has now alerted fans everywhere that he has rabbit ears and may be liable to act out if provoked. Bad idea.



If we're going to get into legalities then Westbrook most definitely could have filed a civil suit for slander then.

Um. . .

In short:

Fuck no.

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 Post subject: Re: Russell Westbrook
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Saying he was going to fuck up the guy and his wife was verbal assault. If the guy wanted to, he could have gone to the states attorney's office and filed a complaint. There was no battery, as Westbrook did not follow through on his threat. But he made a threat and as much as the comments made by the fan may have been out of line, they in no way could be construed as threatening. Westbrook has now alerted fans everywhere that he has rabbit ears and may be liable to act out if provoked. Bad idea.



They didn't need this to occur to see that. He acts out on the court unprovoked all the time.

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 Post subject: Re: Russell Westbrook
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Saying he was going to fuck up the guy and his wife was verbal assault. If the guy wanted to, he could have gone to the states attorney's office and filed a complaint. There was no battery, as Westbrook did not follow through on his threat. But he made a threat and as much as the comments made by the fan may have been out of line, they in no way could be construed as threatening. Westbrook has now alerted fans everywhere that he has rabbit ears and may be liable to act out if provoked. Bad idea.

Indeed.

KD ditched his punk ass for a reason.



Glad you brought that up. There are a lot of people that would have fought Draymond when he called KD all kinds of bitches in the locker room. Do you think KD was correct to ignore him? I don't. He seemingly punked him.

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I thought this was about Westbrook, not Tucker. Take that stuff to the politics section.


To be honest it's because the ignorant apologist has an inconsistent way of articulating what is and isn't a damn victim.

Instead of always wondering about why the black guy is getting a pass (he really isn't) he should simply
concern himself with the action and whether the criticism from it is warranted.

Same sorry ass drab each and every time.


A black guy getting a pass is called the last 40 years of history. We are at the point where there are more black on white crimes than lynchings. But LTG will never mention that.


Despite being 13% of the population they commit 52% of homicides. If you account for the gender gap in murder its closer to 6% (that Russell Westbrook belongs to) committing 47% of homicides.

But it's OK. He was "disrespected" so he should be able to swing on a fan.

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With all due respect Drebin, you shit up every thread with a stupid wrestling meme...so you are in no position here. This thread was earmarked for politics anyway as there are clear racial motives for 'Ruffcorn starting it.


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Saying he was going to fuck up the guy and his wife was verbal assault. If the guy wanted to, he could have gone to the states attorney's office and filed a complaint. There was no battery, as Westbrook did not follow through on his threat. But he made a threat and as much as the comments made by the fan may have been out of line, they in no way could be construed as threatening. Westbrook has now alerted fans everywhere that he has rabbit ears and may be liable to act out if provoked. Bad idea.

Indeed.

KD ditched his punk ass for a reason.



Glad you brought that up. There are a lot of people that would have fought Draymond when he called KD all kinds of bitches in the locker room. Do you think KD was correct to ignore him? I don't. He seemingly punked him.

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Westbrook broke a couple of classic rules here:

A) Don't acknowledge members of the opposing crowd.

B) Don't feed the trolls.

All Westbrook proved was that he has thin skin and is mentally weak.

LTG, sure, Westbrook has the right to pretty much behave however he wants. That doesn't mean he should.

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He should of strictly put it in the hands of security. Demand they're kicked out, if it was proven they were offensive. Him handling it uncivilized is a stain on his career.


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I thought this was about Westbrook, not Tucker. Take that stuff to the politics section.


To be honest it's because the ignorant apologist has an inconsistent way of articulating what is and isn't a damn victim.

Instead of always wondering about why the black guy is getting a pass (he really isn't) he should simply
concern himself with the action and whether the criticism from it is warranted.

Same sorry ass drab each and every time.


A black guy getting a pass is called the last 40 years of history. We are at the point where there are more black on white crimes than lynchings. But LTG will never mention that.


Despite being 13% of the population they commit 52% of homicides. If you account for the gender gap in murder its closer to 6% (that Russell Westbrook belongs to) committing 47% of homicides.

But it's OK. He was "disrespected" so he should be able to swing on a fan.


Fiarly hypocritical considering you pray at the altar of people that seek to exterminate entire races. But it's ok because you're only doing a "bit".

Secondly show me where black guys with $200 million dollar contracts are out committing murders and then you may have a point.

Unless you are ready to admit that view all blacks similarly, which is fairly evident at this point, there isn't a to categorize.

Lastly Westbrook didn't hit the guy so obviously he knew what was at stake. Guys that act like jerks tend to get what guys that act like jerks get at some point. Treat people with respect if you want people to treat you similarly. It shouldn't be difficult unless you get off on being a dickhead.

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Secondly show me where black guys with $200 million dollar contracts are out committing murders and then you may have a point.
Here's the thing about you: You say this kind of stuff, seemingly asking for evidence, but in reality you're posing a ruse that will allow you to label anyone who provides you with that evidence as a racist.

So, you're not actually interested in hearing about athletes with multi-million dollar contracts committing murders, you just want to goad someone into posting something that you can use later on down the road in one of your "here is [millionth poster you've had a personal beef with] being Johnny On The Spot with a list of all the black pro athletes who've committed murders, wonder why he knows that?" posts which conveniently forget that you asked for the information you would be labeling as racist.


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Secondly show me where black guys with $200 million dollar contracts are out committing murders and then you may have a point.
Here's the thing about you: You say this kind of stuff, seemingly asking for evidence, but in reality you're posing a ruse that will allow you to label anyone who provides you with that evidence as a racist.

So, you're not actually interested in hearing about athletes with multi-million dollar contracts committing murders, you just want to goad someone into posting something that you can use later on down the road in one of your "here is [millionth poster you've had a personal beef with] being Johnny On The Spot with a list of all the black pro athletes who've committed murders, wonder why he knows that?" posts which conveniently forget that you asked for the information you would be labeling as racist.



Do you think Toxic is racist?

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Secondly show me where black guys with $200 million dollar contracts are out committing murders and then you may have a point.
Here's the thing about you: You say this kind of stuff, seemingly asking for evidence, but in reality you're posing a ruse that will allow you to label anyone who provides you with that evidence as a racist.

So, you're not actually interested in hearing about athletes with multi-million dollar contracts committing murders, you just want to goad someone into posting something that you can use later on down the road in one of your "here is [millionth poster you've had a personal beef with] being Johnny On The Spot with a list of all the black pro athletes who've committed murders, wonder why he knows that?" posts which conveniently forget that you asked for the information you would be labeling as racist.

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Secondly show me where black guys with $200 million dollar contracts are out committing murders and then you may have a point.
Here's the thing about you: You say this kind of stuff, seemingly asking for evidence, but in reality you're posing a ruse that will allow you to label anyone who provides you with that evidence as a racist.

So, you're not actually interested in hearing about athletes with multi-million dollar contracts committing murders, you just want to goad someone into posting something that you can use later on down the road in one of your "here is [millionth poster you've had a personal beef with] being Johnny On The Spot with a list of all the black pro athletes who've committed murders, wonder why he knows that?" posts which conveniently forget that you asked for the information you would be labeling as racist.

OJ Simpson
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Neither of whom had $200 million dollar contracts.

Or even $100 million dollar contracts.

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Frank Coztansa wrote:
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Secondly show me where black guys with $200 million dollar contracts are out committing murders and then you may have a point.
Here's the thing about you: You say this kind of stuff, seemingly asking for evidence, but in reality you're posing a ruse that will allow you to label anyone who provides you with that evidence as a racist.

So, you're not actually interested in hearing about athletes with multi-million dollar contracts committing murders, you just want to goad someone into posting something that you can use later on down the road in one of your "here is [millionth poster you've had a personal beef with] being Johnny On The Spot with a list of all the black pro athletes who've committed murders, wonder why he knows that?" posts which conveniently forget that you asked for the information you would be labeling as racist.

OJ Simpson
Ray Lewis
Ray Carruth



Neither of whom had $200 million dollar contracts.

Or even $100 million dollar contracts.
Also, failing calling someone a racist for being able to find pro athletes who have murdered people, you'll pull this shit. Your "$200 million contract" mark was completely arbitrary. What is the practical difference between a $200 million athlete and an athlete earning only multiple millions of dollars, for the purposes of this discussion?

You want to make the argument that no athlete with a "$200 million contract" would be so stupid as to risk his generational wealth by committing criminally violent acts while under contract, but the reality is that there haven't been that many athletes with contracts worth that much.

Also, Ray Lewis earned $99 million in his career.


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Secondly show me where black guys with $200 million dollar contracts are out committing murders and then you may have a point.
Here's the thing about you: You say this kind of stuff, seemingly asking for evidence, but in reality you're posing a ruse that will allow you to label anyone who provides you with that evidence as a racist.

So, you're not actually interested in hearing about athletes with multi-million dollar contracts committing murders, you just want to goad someone into posting something that you can use later on down the road in one of your "here is [millionth poster you've had a personal beef with] being Johnny On The Spot with a list of all the black pro athletes who've committed murders, wonder why he knows that?" posts which conveniently forget that you asked for the information you would be labeling as racist.

OJ Simpson
Ray Lewis
Ray Carruth



Neither of whom had $200 million dollar contracts.

Or even $100 million dollar contracts.
Also, failing calling someone a racist for being able to find pro athletes who have murdered people, you'll pull this shit. Your "$200 million contract" mark was completely arbitrary. What is the practical difference between a $200 million athlete and an athlete earning only multiple millions of dollars, for the purposes of this discussion?

You want to make the argument that no athlete with a "$200 million contract" would be so stupid as to risk his generational wealth by committing criminally violent acts while under contract, but the reality is that there haven't been that many athletes with contracts worth that much.

Also, Ray Lewis earned $99 million in his career.


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Why did the fan say "Get down on your knees like you're used to." in the first place?

Well it used to be a reference to a referee blowing the game so I don’t know if that’s what he was going with in regards to Westbrook. Westbrook however is trying to hide behind the race card saying he took it as a slur so it’s justification for ....everything .

:lol: What?


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Of course jew parko out there blaming the white guy

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long time guy wrote:
Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
long time guy wrote:
Frank Coztansa wrote:
Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
long time guy wrote:
Secondly show me where black guys with $200 million dollar contracts are out committing murders and then you may have a point.
Here's the thing about you: You say this kind of stuff, seemingly asking for evidence, but in reality you're posing a ruse that will allow you to label anyone who provides you with that evidence as a racist.

So, you're not actually interested in hearing about athletes with multi-million dollar contracts committing murders, you just want to goad someone into posting something that you can use later on down the road in one of your "here is [millionth poster you've had a personal beef with] being Johnny On The Spot with a list of all the black pro athletes who've committed murders, wonder why he knows that?" posts which conveniently forget that you asked for the information you would be labeling as racist.

OJ Simpson
Ray Lewis
Ray Carruth



Neither of whom had $200 million dollar contracts.

Or even $100 million dollar contracts.
Also, failing calling someone a racist for being able to find pro athletes who have murdered people, you'll pull this shit. Your "$200 million contract" mark was completely arbitrary. What is the practical difference between a $200 million athlete and an athlete earning only multiple millions of dollars, for the purposes of this discussion?

You want to make the argument that no athlete with a "$200 million contract" would be so stupid as to risk his generational wealth by committing criminally violent acts while under contract, but the reality is that there haven't been that many athletes with contracts worth that much.

Also, Ray Lewis earned $99 million in his career.


Is Toxic a racist?
Why are you bringing up TM? You wouldn't be trying to change the conversation because you don't like the way it's going, would you?


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