I don't think it was a bad trade for the Bears. I think Rick is very off base in how he's valuing the picks being exchanged, since he's making it sound like the 2020 pick swaps are essentially even and they are far from it.

But, I realize this is what you resort to when you can't argue the merits of a post.

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You said the Bears gave away a 3rd round pick, FF. That makes it seem like they said, "Oh Hi Mr Gruden, please have our draft pick," which isn't what happened. The Bears actually acquired some picks in the deal as well.

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I'm trying to get the relevancy there. The WR trade market is almost always very low cost.

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The 2020 pick swaps weren't even but it was a minimal loss of value in 2020 assuming the Raiders aren't that good.

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There's never been a WR as good as Brown is on the trade market so there's no frame of refence as to the cost. Moss would be the closest thing and he was coming off two consecutive awful seasons. Amari went for a 1st rounder though.

The relevancy is that you are trying to make the case that a 3rd and 5th rounder aren't valuable, picked one bad example as your example, and are ignoring that the same cost fetched one of the best players in the NFL.

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Assuming both teams were as good and bad as they were this past season, and that's a bad assumption, it's still a significant cost of pick swaps.

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Huh? Dallas Cowboys traded a first-round pick to Oakland Raiders for Amari Cooper.

And the Browns acquired Beckham in exchange for a first- and third-round pick and safety Jabrill Peppers!

Are you saying the Steelers didn't shop Brown to other teams? If he was the best WR ever available by trade then why did he only go for a 3rd and a 5th?

Now that is a strawman.

Low first round pick + low third round pick becoming a high second round pick is a minimal loss of value.

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Your last sentence is plainly not true. I’m not even sure where you are getting it from.

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Sounds like you need to take this fight up with FavreFan about the value of the picks the Bears gave up.

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Keep it simple, gents

Mack is awesome and the Raiders suck.

No one is saying the Bears made a mistake other than Rube.

However, distorting the cost to brag how it was a giveaway is wrong.

Correct. Including the combo of picks and the new contract, the bears paid an enormous cost for Mack. He seems to be worth it when he bothers to get in “game shape”

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FavreFan is doing great work here.

Even in the face of MIT analytics, CHI meatballs know best.

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The Bears gave up alot but it was worth it, Mack changed the team. He's a leader, unlike OBJ or AB who are cancers in the locker room.

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Let me put it another way.

In 2020, if the draft order stayed the same. The Bears moved down 11 spots in the first round, lost the 88th pick, and moved up a round to the 5th from the 6th.

That isn't a huge cost to add a player as dynamic as Mack.

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that’s only a part of the overall cost. Could you argue any more disingenuously?

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It was a big Win for Oakland, I don't like the obj- ab comparrison to Mack. Mack is everything ya want in your locker room and on the field.

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The meatball narrative was that the 2nd round pick the Bears received was really like a first-round pick because the Raiders would be tanking. Clearly they aren't tanking. They still have plenty of $ left to spent in FA, 4 of the top 35 draft picks and Mayock looks like he knows what he is doing.

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You are the one who jumped on me saying the cost was minimal in 2020.

2019 was a big cost but I'll take Mack over the best available player at #24 this year with Mack already having provided great production last year.

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Mayock does know the draft very well, great hire IMO. I still think Oakland is a bottom 5 team this year.

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that's an enormous IF. the NFL rapidly changes year-to-year.

Also the 1st and 2nd round picks have a huge delineating factor. 1sts get team options.

So why did they trade away Mack if the goal was to win in 2019? Sounds like a poor plan.

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Forgot to mention as a reply to this... Rodgers played more games than Mack did last year

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Only if Gruden kicks Mayock out of the draft room and trades for Murray. Sure, there's the potential for things to spontaneously combust, but Brown likes Gruden and Brown likes Carr.

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Fair enough. Rodgers had no injury issues last year.

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Maybe he’s just tougher than Mack.

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