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I dunno. If this is the world we live in now, then AJ, my wife, and I are going to have our work cut out for us.

Just saw this part.

Dont blackface your baby, Frank
I'll have to write that one down.

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The problem is we are past what the original definition of blackface is, which was to portray black people as dimwitted and inferior. Now if you try to alter you appearance to look like a celebrity it's considered "blackface". It's a slippery slope from there that we have already seen with outrage over cultural appropriation for wearing say a Chinese style prom dress or white children dressing up as a Princess Jasmine.

Clearly his punishment is far worse than his crime. I guess he can learn to code or be a middle manager somewhere though now. He wore a custom ten years ago. Let's ruin him.

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Frank Coztansa wrote:
rogers park bryan wrote:
Frank Coztansa wrote:
I dunno. If this is the world we live in now, then AJ, my wife, and I are going to have our work cut out for us.

Just saw this part.

Dont blackface your baby, Frank
I'll have to write that one down.

It will be in my book, How to survive in this crazy world (LOL)


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He didn't walk through a fucking cloud of soot. That takes time, forethought, and effort. Throughout that process he didn't think it was a bad or offensive idea. And then he took and/or posted a picture of it.

Have you guys ever hired anybody?


My best hire ever was a guy that did 10 years for attempted murder.


I will not cede "youthful indiscretion" to a guy who wants to be a cop. Some sense of ingrained good judgement is supposed to be part of the job. We both know cops, Seacrest. We know you can game a psych eval.

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 Post subject: Re: Fireable offense?
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Telegram Sam wrote:
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He didn't walk through a fucking cloud of soot. That takes time, forethought, and effort. Throughout that process he didn't think it was a bad or offensive idea. And then he took and/or posted a picture of it.

Have you guys ever hired anybody?


My best hire ever was a guy that did 10 years for attempted murder.


I will not cede "youthful indiscretion" to a guy who wants to be a cop. Some sense of ingrained good judgement is supposed to be part of the job. We both know cops, Seacrest. We know you can game a psych eval.


I don't know the guy well enough to make that call.

The whole thing smacks of the university making a decision to cover potential losses.

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I guess I struggle with calling this "blackface".

I agree with this. His costume you was of an actual person, and other than skin tone, I wouldn't say he was attempting to be racist.

I assume at the event he was talking like flava flav. If he didn't paint his face black, wouldn't talking that way be considered just as racist?


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Aren't there laws now (at least in a growing number of cities/states) where you are not even allowed to ask someone if they have a criminal record? And yet something like this is fair game.

It also seems that various lesser punishments have disappeared. Companies don't write anyone up anymore...they just go right to termination.

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 Post subject: Re: Fireable offense?
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Aren't there laws now (at least in a growing number of cities/states) where you are not even allowed to ask someone if they have a criminal record? And yet something like this is fair game.
I'm going to guess a criminal record will always disqualify you from being a police officer.

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Aren't there laws now (at least in a growing number of cities/states) where you are not even allowed to ask someone if they have a criminal record? And yet something like this is fair game.
I'm going to guess a criminal record will always disqualify you from being a police officer.


Agreed, I wasn't thinking that specifically.

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 Post subject: Re: Fireable offense?
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Ridiculous.

On one hand, the cop haters here state that people who become cops are morons who can barely dress themselves, yet on the other hand they are held to a higher moral standard than anyone else, including the years before they were even cops (some would even consider it childhood). The guy is dressed as flavor flav. It is a compliment. This isn't blackface, nor do a lot of people even know what blackface is. Intent matters. Does this guy look like he was trying to disrespect black people in this photi?

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 Post subject: Re: Is this offensive?
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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
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I dunno. If this is the world we live in now, then AJ, my wife, and I are going to have our work cut out for us.
This may be true for other reasons, but you and me are near the same age and I knew from a pretty young age that covering your face in black paint and acting like a black guy was not something you should do. It's not like this became common knowledge 5 years ago.


Agreed. I'm 48 and I remember when I was at UW (1990ish) a frat got in big trouble for having their pledges in blackface for a pledge auction.

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Frank Coztansa wrote:
I dunno. If this is the world we live in now, then AJ, my wife, and I are going to have our work cut out for us.
This may be true for other reasons, but you and me are near the same age and I knew from a pretty young age that covering your face in black paint and acting like a black guy was not something you should do. It's not like this became common knowledge 5 years ago.


Agreed. I'm 48 and I remember when I was at UW (1990ish) a frat got in big trouble for having their pledges in blackface for a pledge auction.


I think there is a dramatic difference in a white person dressing as flavor flav and a frat telling pledges to paint their faces black and get auctioned off.


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Idiot should have denied it was him.

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What if I prefer to code while wearing blackface ?

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leashyourkids wrote:
Ridiculous.

On one hand, the cop haters here state that people who become cops are morons who can barely dress themselves, yet on the other hand they are held to a higher moral standard than anyone else

What does intelligence have to do with morality?




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This isn't blackface, nor do a lot of people even know what blackface is. Intent matters. Does this guy look like he was trying to disrespect black people in this photi?

The term doesnt really matter. Just because it's not exactly the same as minstrel shows doesn't mean it's not blackface.

black·face
/ˈblakfās/Submit
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the makeup used by a nonblack performer playing a black role.

And while he probably does like Flav and wasnt trying to disrespect him, there are people that do dress up to mock the person they dress up as. So that is just an unknown.

But he shouldnt be fired.


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Ridiculous.

On one hand, the cop haters here state that people who become cops are morons who can barely dress themselves, yet on the other hand they are held to a higher moral standard than anyone else, including the years before they were even cops (some would even consider it childhood). The guy is dressed as flavor flav. It is a compliment. This isn't blackface, nor do a lot of people even know what blackface is. Intent matters. Does this guy look like he was trying to disrespect black people in this photi?

Do you think the people who dress up as Trump are doing it as a compliment to him? Alec Baldwin must REALLY love Donald Trump.

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Aren't there laws now (at least in a growing number of cities/states) where you are not even allowed to ask someone if they have a criminal record? And yet something like this is fair game.
I'm going to guess a criminal record will always disqualify you from being a police officer.


It takes a paralegal or clerk exactly two minutes to investigate someone's criminal record. Without their permission. And has been for decades. It's really a chance to catch anyone applicant lying.

And blackface was never funny nor anything but insulting to most people I know. And some of you don't seem to understand the implications of having a person of public authority holding serious power over someone who looks like me.

Private business idgaf, but if I learn that someone in a business I patronize openly holds those views, I can, and will stop spending my cash there. For years if not always.

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And some of you don't seem to understand the implications of having a person of public authority holding serious power over someone who looks like me.
You're not that ugly.

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And some of you don't seem to understand the implications of having a person of public authority holding serious power over someone who looks like me.
You're not that ugly.


Opinions vary.

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And blackface was never funny nor anything but insulting to most people I know.


Does context enter into it? I would think it does.

Do you consider this guy blackface? He very well may be racist...probably is. That would definitely influence my opinion.


For extra credit:
Can you explain this Diamond and Silk phenomenon?

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For extra credit:
Can you explain this Diamond and Silk phenomenon?

I tend to take them at their word. They just love Donald Trump. Some folks do. I don't think there's more to it.

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And blackface was never funny nor anything but insulting to most people I know.


Does context enter into it? I would think it does.

Do you consider this guy blackface? He very well may be racist...probably is. That would definitely influence my opinion.


For extra credit:
Can you explain this Diamond and Silk phenomenon?


1. Context doesn't matter. Regardless of the color of the minstrel/asshole. When John Randle went nutty with eyeblack it bothered me even though I knew he just wanted to look crazy.

2. Yes, probably so, and the first smear of paint is all the influence I need.

3. Diamond and Silk are simply opportunist frauds. Like Steve Harvey, most evening FoxNews hosts, never trump republicans and trump. As far as I'm concerned.

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Regular Reader wrote:
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And blackface was never funny nor anything but insulting to most people I know.


Does context enter into it? I would think it does.

Do you consider this guy blackface? He very well may be racist...probably is. That would definitely influence my opinion.


For extra credit:
Can you explain this Diamond and Silk phenomenon?


1. Context doesn't matter. Regardless of the color of the minstrel/asshole. When John Randle went nutty with eyeblack it bothered me even though I knew he just wanted to look crazy.

2. Yes, probably so, and the first smear of paint is all the influence I need.

3. Diamond and Silk are simply opportunist frauds. Like Steve Harvey, most evening FoxNews hosts, never trump republicans and trump. As far as I'm concerned.


Appreciate your candor. How would you rate his intent if in white face but talking in Ebonics.


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And blackface was never funny nor anything but insulting to most people I know.


Does context enter into it? I would think it does.

Do you consider this guy blackface? He very well may be racist...probably is. That would definitely influence my opinion.


For extra credit:
Can you explain this Diamond and Silk phenomenon?


1. Context doesn't matter. Regardless of the color of the minstrel/asshole. When John Randle went nutty with eyeblack it bothered me even though I knew he just wanted to look crazy.

2. Yes, probably so, and the first smear of paint is all the influence I need.

3. Diamond and Silk are simply opportunist frauds. Like Steve Harvey, most evening FoxNews hosts, never trump republicans and trump. As far as I'm concerned.


Appreciate your candor. How would you rate his intent if in white face but talking in Ebonics.


Depends on if he's funny.

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Regular Reader wrote:
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Regular Reader wrote:
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Regular Reader wrote:
And blackface was never funny nor anything but insulting to most people I know.


Does context enter into it? I would think it does.

Do you consider this guy blackface? He very well may be racist...probably is. That would definitely influence my opinion.


For extra credit:
Can you explain this Diamond and Silk phenomenon?


1. Context doesn't matter. Regardless of the color of the minstrel/asshole. When John Randle went nutty with eyeblack it bothered me even though I knew he just wanted to look crazy.

2. Yes, probably so, and the first smear of paint is all the influence I need.

3. Diamond and Silk are simply opportunist frauds. Like Steve Harvey, most evening FoxNews hosts, never trump republicans and trump. As far as I'm concerned.


Appreciate your candor. How would you rate his intent if in white face but talking in Ebonics.


Depends on if he's funny.

:lol:

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TurdFerguson wrote:
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And blackface was never funny nor anything but insulting to most people I know.


Does context enter into it? I would think it does.

Do you consider this guy blackface? He very well may be racist...probably is. That would definitely influence my opinion.


For extra credit:
Can you explain this Diamond and Silk phenomenon?


1. Context doesn't matter. Regardless of the color of the minstrel/asshole. When John Randle went nutty with eyeblack it bothered me even though I knew he just wanted to look crazy.

2. Yes, probably so, and the first smear of paint is all the influence I need.

3. Diamond and Silk are simply opportunist frauds. Like Steve Harvey, most evening FoxNews hosts, never trump republicans and trump. As far as I'm concerned.


Appreciate your candor. How would you rate his intent if in white face but talking in Ebonics.

Does anyone dress in blackface and NOT do a stereotypical voice?

I cant imagine that scenario.


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Does anyone dress in blackface and NOT do a stereotypical voice?


No, everyone who has ever dressed up as a famous black person is a virulent, outspoken racist.

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Does anyone dress in blackface and NOT do a stereotypical voice?


No, everyone who has ever dressed up as a famous black person is a virulent, outspoken racist.

Probably not, but their judgment is definitely questionable at best.

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Does anyone dress in blackface and NOT do a stereotypical voice?


No, everyone who has ever dressed up as a famous black person is a virulent, outspoken racist.

Your name is going to be Extreme McExtremist going forward.

Let me open up my statement so you can see how right I am.

Do a lot of people dress up for Halloween and not attempt to do the voice of the costume (provided the voice is known....i.e. Pee Wee Herman, Star Wars characters, Rappers)? Probably not.

Most often these costumes are rappers and they have a distinctive voice. Im gonna go out on a limb and say this guy screamed out YEAAA BOYYYY in Flav's voice at least a few times that night.


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