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PostPosted: Wed Mar 20, 2019 7:04 pm 
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I do have to laugh at the bouquets thrown at Hahn/Theo/Smart GM XYZ with these deals. What a master stroke to sign a young guy who has zero leverage. Takes an MBA to pull that off :lol:

Anyone praising Rick Hahn deserves to die.

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Smart move by Hahn.. he will be putting bats in a wood chipper in 2022 to get the fuck out of there tho.

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:lol: @ the last 2 posts

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This extension is like half of what we were hearing. Seriously, fuck all management with the WhiteSox!


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Smart move by Hahn.. he will be putting bats in a wood chipper in 2022 to get the fuck out of there tho.
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This extension is like half of what we were hearing. Seriously, fuck all management with the WhiteSox!

Hell yes they deserve to die and I hope they burn in hell!

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IMO Jimenez is gonna be a real good player, 6 million per would be a big salary drop over the the next 6 or 7 years. I'd take it if I was Eloy but he'll regret it in a few years.

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 Post subject: Re: Eloy Extension?
PostPosted: Thu Mar 21, 2019 7:47 am 
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RFDC wrote:
That is a good question.

If he ends up being a bust the Sox are going to get hammered for giving this much money to an unproven prospect.

I disagree. 40 million is nothing.


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I cannot see how anyone criticizes this move. Foolish.

The reward outweighs any risk tenfold.

If you place his first three years at the usually $600,000 salary, you've got $73.2M left for what would have been his 4 arbitration years and his first FA year. That is $14.5M a year.

That is likely going to be an AAV steal, considering it isn't hard to imagine his arbitration years, 1-4, looking something like $9M, $12M, $15M, $18M and then I feel safe predicting $20M+ AAV for any free agent contract he would have signed. Even at $20M, those 5 years right there are $74M.

To avoid the PR issues....to lock him in for an extra year...a content star rookie being up Day 1 on a young team where vibes are important... great move for the Sox.

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So if they get this done, the service time starts now and he's on the Opening Day roster? I realize this sounds like a dumbass question for those of you familiar with MLB service time and contracts.
If he signs a deal, then service time doesn't matter as he is under contract.



edit; Sorry RFDC. Was on my phone and didn't see that.


Signing a deal doesn't negate service time. It's just that he is signing a long enough deal that it covers what would be his first year or two of free agency. So, in the long run, this could be a huge savings for the Sox. They avoid three years of arbitration and at least the first year of free agency. Eloy is set for life and the Sox save probably more than the total value of this contract and can start him opening day.

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 Post subject: Re: Eloy Extension?
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Frank Coztansa wrote:
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So if they get this done, the service time starts now and he's on the Opening Day roster? I realize this sounds like a dumbass question for those of you familiar with MLB service time and contracts.
If he signs a deal, then service time doesn't matter as he is under contract.



edit; Sorry RFDC. Was on my phone and didn't see that.


Signing a deal doesn't negate service time. It's just that he is signing a long enough deal that it covers what would be his first year or two of free agency. So, in the long run, this could be a huge savings for the Sox. They avoid three years of arbitration and at least the first year of free agency. Eloy is set for life and the Sox save probably more than the total value of this contract and can start him opening day.

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 Post subject: Re: Eloy Extension?
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I cannot see how anyone criticizes this move. Foolish.

It's not the move specifically.

It's the "hey, look! we negotiated this long-term deal with a prospect who had zero leverage and who we would've shoved into the minors to fuck with his service clock. so don't worry about us fucking up free agency at all. we did this thing!"


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GoldenJet wrote:
Frank Coztansa wrote:
FavreFan wrote:
So if they get this done, the service time starts now and he's on the Opening Day roster? I realize this sounds like a dumbass question for those of you familiar with MLB service time and contracts.
If he signs a deal, then service time doesn't matter as he is under contract.



edit; Sorry RFDC. Was on my phone and didn't see that.


Signing a deal doesn't negate service time. It's just that he is signing a long enough deal that it covers what would be his first year or two of free agency. So, in the long run, this could be a huge savings for the Sox. They avoid three years of arbitration and at least the first year of free agency. Eloy is set for life and the Sox save probably more than the total value of this contract and can start him opening day.

This is a pretty long winded way of agreeing. Clearly, Frank is pointing out that service time doesnt matter anymore as far as Eloy's Free agency, which is correct.


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Kirkwood wrote:
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I cannot see how anyone criticizes this move. Foolish.

It's not the move specifically.

It's the "hey, look! we negotiated this long-term deal with a prospect who had zero leverage and who we would've shoved into the minors to fuck with his service clock. so don't worry about his fucking up free agency at all. we did this thing!"
Well, a lot of times teams don't get a player to sign like this.

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This extension is like half of what we were hearing. Seriously, fuck all management with the WhiteSox!


There are club options that would bring it up to 8 years and 77 million.

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IMU wrote:
I cannot see how anyone criticizes this move. Foolish.

It's not the move specifically.

It's the "hey, look! we negotiated this long-term deal with a prospect who had zero leverage and who we would've shoved into the minors to fuck with his service clock. so don't worry about his fucking up free agency at all. we did this thing!"
Well, a lot of times teams don't get a player to sign like this.


How many days until he strains an oblique and is out for 40 games?

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 Post subject: Re: Eloy Extension?
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Kirkwood wrote:
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I cannot see how anyone criticizes this move. Foolish.

It's not the move specifically.

It's the "hey, look! we negotiated this long-term deal with a prospect who had zero leverage and who we would've shoved into the minors to fuck with his service clock. so don't worry about us fucking up free agency at all. we did this thing!"
I'd rather this than, "hey we offered our ROY and MVP $200million and he turned it down," like the Cubs and Kris Bryant.

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rogers park bryan wrote:
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That is a good question.

If he ends up being a bust the Sox are going to get hammered for giving this much money to an unproven prospect.

I disagree. 40 million is nothing.

For most teams I would agree. But with the negativity that surrounds the Sox fan base right now towards their front office, they will def get hammered over this deal if he is a bust.

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rogers park bryan wrote:
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So if they get this done, the service time starts now and he's on the Opening Day roster? I realize this sounds like a dumbass question for those of you familiar with MLB service time and contracts.
If he signs a deal, then service time doesn't matter as he is under contract.



edit; Sorry RFDC. Was on my phone and didn't see that.


Signing a deal doesn't negate service time. It's just that he is signing a long enough deal that it covers what would be his first year or two of free agency. So, in the long run, this could be a huge savings for the Sox. They avoid three years of arbitration and at least the first year of free agency. Eloy is set for life and the Sox save probably more than the total value of this contract and can start him opening day.

This is a pretty long winded way of agreeing. Clearly, Frank is pointing out that service time doesnt matter anymore as far as Eloy's Free agency, which is correct.


It was not clear, it was vague. Now it's not.

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 Post subject: Re: Eloy Extension?
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GoldenJet wrote:
rogers park bryan wrote:
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Frank Coztansa wrote:
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So if they get this done, the service time starts now and he's on the Opening Day roster? I realize this sounds like a dumbass question for those of you familiar with MLB service time and contracts.
If he signs a deal, then service time doesn't matter as he is under contract.



edit; Sorry RFDC. Was on my phone and didn't see that.


Signing a deal doesn't negate service time. It's just that he is signing a long enough deal that it covers what would be his first year or two of free agency. So, in the long run, this could be a huge savings for the Sox. They avoid three years of arbitration and at least the first year of free agency. Eloy is set for life and the Sox save probably more than the total value of this contract and can start him opening day.

This is a pretty long winded way of agreeing. Clearly, Frank is pointing out that service time doesnt matter anymore as far as Eloy's Free agency, which is correct.


It was not clear, it was vague. Now it's not.

You're welcome.

Oh ok. Let me restate. It was clear to everyone but you.


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I cannot see how anyone criticizes this move. Foolish.

It's not the move specifically.

It's the "hey, look! we negotiated this long-term deal with a prospect who had zero leverage and who we would've shoved into the minors to fuck with his service clock. so don't worry about us fucking up free agency at all. we did this thing!"
I'd rather this than, "hey we offered our ROY and MVP $200million and he turned it down," like the Cubs and Kris Bryant.

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rogers park bryan wrote:
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rogers park bryan wrote:
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Frank Coztansa wrote:
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So if they get this done, the service time starts now and he's on the Opening Day roster? I realize this sounds like a dumbass question for those of you familiar with MLB service time and contracts.
If he signs a deal, then service time doesn't matter as he is under contract.



edit; Sorry RFDC. Was on my phone and didn't see that.


Signing a deal doesn't negate service time. It's just that he is signing a long enough deal that it covers what would be his first year or two of free agency. So, in the long run, this could be a huge savings for the Sox. They avoid three years of arbitration and at least the first year of free agency. Eloy is set for life and the Sox save probably more than the total value of this contract and can start him opening day.

This is a pretty long winded way of agreeing. Clearly, Frank is pointing out that service time doesnt matter anymore as far as Eloy's Free agency, which is correct.


It was not clear, it was vague. Now it's not.

You're welcome.

Oh ok. Let me restate. It was clear to everyone but you.


Because "everyone" has full and clear understanding of rookie deals, service time, arbitration eligibility and free agency...gotcha.

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Oh ok. Let me restate. It was clear to everyone but you.


Because "everyone" has full and clear understanding of rookie deals, service time, arbitration eligibility and free agency...gotcha.

No, but everyone except you understood Frank's post. You were being "ACTUALLY, TECHNICALLY..." guy.


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Frank Coztansa wrote:
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So if they get this done, the service time starts now and he's on the Opening Day roster? I realize this sounds like a dumbass question for those of you familiar with MLB service time and contracts.
If he signs a deal, then service time doesn't matter as he is under contract.


edit; Sorry RFDC. Was on my phone and didn't see that.
Signing a deal doesn't negate service time. It's just that he is signing a long enough deal that it covers what would be his first year or two of free agency. So, in the long run, this could be a huge savings for the Sox. They avoid three years of arbitration and at least the first year of free agency. Eloy is set for life and the Sox save probably more than the total value of this contract and can start him opening day.
In terms of answering FF's question about service time for Eloy playing on Opening Day, the service time does not matter. Of course the deal doesn't negate any sort of service time.

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Ha! My post explaining it was up before your extended edit was finished.

Thanks anyway.

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Ha! My post explaining it was up before your extended edit was finished.

Thanks anyway.

Fair enough, but my statement still stands. IMU, Baseball Educator.

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That seems a little harsh. I broke the story!

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I don't know shit

That seems a little harsh. I broke the story!

Sorry, I never did that before, just wanted to see what it looked like.

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That seems a little harsh. I broke the story!

Sorry, I never did that before, just wanted to see what it looked like.

Looked good

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