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I'm going to bounce from the spot for awhile but I will be back at some point to argue with you about this hoops stuff again. Playoffs have been great this season. See ya up the road.

I'm out.

Antoine Walker

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The question was "the greatest you saw", Walt.

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Don't take it personally.

Right. I’m not deluded enough by present day hype to actually think Melo and Zion are the best college players ever

Come on Walt!

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Harold Arceneaux.

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The most physically impressive college player I ever saw was Corey Maggette or Derrick Rose until Williamson.

Best player is tough... I remember A.I. and Ray Allen having some of the best battles in the Big East. Used to get physically excited over those games.

I guess I'd probably go Big Dog or Laettner for best overall.

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I'm the only one to see Kareem and Walton?

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I'm going to bounce from the spot for awhile but I will be back at some point to argue with you about this hoops stuff again. Playoffs have been great this season. See ya up the road.

I'm out.

In college?

Yes. Actually, I didn't see them much in the pros.

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Remember Derrick Williams?

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I saw Bill Walton at OHare one time.

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Reality is your friend, not your enemy. -- Seacrest

I saw Kareem at OHare

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I'm going to bounce from the spot for awhile but I will be back at some point to argue with you about this hoops stuff again. Playoffs have been great this season. See ya up the road.

I'm out.

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I forgot Tom Kleinschmidt.

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Sherman remarked, "Well, Grant, we've had the devil's own day, haven't we?" Grant looked up. "Yes," he replied, followed by a puff. "Yes. Lick 'em tomorrow, though."

A lot of people are answering in this thread like they didn’t see the Illinois Arizona game in 2005 smh

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James Augustine was the man.

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Sherman remarked, "Well, Grant, we've had the devil's own day, haven't we?" Grant looked up. "Yes," he replied, followed by a puff. "Yes. Lick 'em tomorrow, though."

That was Jack Ingram's game to win.

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A lot of it has to do with time and place and nostalgia for meaningful Illinois hoops but I really cannot imagine ever watching a college basketball game as good as that again.

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Saw KG at the Proviso West tournament and he was the best college basketball player I ever saw even though he skipped college.

How is Big Dog ahead of Zion statistically? I'll take the guy who averages 22.5ppg on 68FG% over the guy who got 27.5 while shooting 49%. Plus the first guy is also a great defender.

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My guy!

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Yeah statistically Big Dog isn’t close to far ahead. Rick smoking immoral drugs again.

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That's because you are averaging both years of Robinson when he took it to another level his second year. Robinson was far better his last year in school than Zion is.

Robinson:
30.3 ppg, 10.1 rpg, 1.9 apg, 1.6 spg, .9 bpg,
Zion:
22.5 ppg, 8.8 rpg, 2.1 apg, 2.1 spg, 1.7 bpg

That's with Zion playing with an All Star team that is still one of the favorites to win the NCAA tournament even if he had not played.

There are guys all over the country who average around 22 points a game every year. Zion doesn't even lead his team in scoring. 30 points at the high major level is pretty amazing. The fact that he did that while averaging 10 rebounds a game is better than Zion.

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

No Durant?

Another interesting question to me is best NBA player (that played college) you ever saw that you did not see in college. Many great players were under the radar until shining in the league. Example I do not ever recall seeing Karl Malone or Charles Barkley before the pros ever. And I watched a hell of a lot more ball back then than now.

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best I ever saw in person is Ewing

best on TV is Danny Manning. I think people forget how head and shoulders he was over the rest of the world when he stepped on the court prior to his knee injuries.

The list is lacking in big men, which is a product of recency bias. A big man used to make you king of the world in college. Get a dominant center and a mature point guard and you were a contender not that long ago.

The Admiral was unstoppable and when you talk about being surrounded by nobody, the other 11 players on his team were fringe D 1 players. Think about the impact he had. Navy has never sniffed that kind of success at any point in its history before or after. Take a look at the guy who is one of his co starters. He looks like some hump in a rec league



Hakeem was great but also surrounded by greatness so it is sometimes difficult to tell. He could have existed in any era of basketball, which isn't true of all others.

Let me also throw in a nomination for Isiah. Dean Smith and Bobby Knight always retarded the individuality of their players but Isiah shone, even after leaving as a sophomore.

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was thinking about some of these guys and how many of them had bad knee injuries. manning, sean Elliot, ed O'Bannon, penny, grant hill, Sampson....

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That was the above the rim era. Maybe that and the shoes not as good as they should have been.

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I saw Walton and I said so. I never saw Kareem in college.

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No Danny Manning love?

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So you think it's wrong that I included Robinson's freshman year when comparing him to a guy who only played his freshman year?

Also, we are talking about the best college players we've ever seen...that means a career, not a single season.

And even if we just used Robinson's soph year vs Zion he is still WAY behind Zion as a player.



that's cute that you are using raw stats to make your argument.

Here are some really interesting stats for you:

Big Dog .523efg%
Zion .710efg%

Big Dog .566TS%
Zion .705TS%

It's really not even close. What Zion is doing on an efficiency level puts him on a totally different level from Big Dog.



Teammates have no bearing on this discussion. Zion would dominate at this level no matter who he played for. It's not like he is getting open looks because his teammates are spreading the floor and demanding attention from defenders. And you overrate Zion's teammates. The only other allstar on the team is Barret. The other so called all stars are both overrated freshman who had mediocre years and can't shoot.

Name all the players around the country who average 22ppg while being as efficient as Zion?

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