Algonquin is plenty deplorable.

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Was referring to downstate. Deplorable for Dan is probably pretty inclusive.

88.

dekalb is hillbilly

I don't care who gets married, but I think an argument can be made against gay marriage without invoking god.

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Anybody here seen my old friend Bobby?
Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Matthew, Tulsi, and Don

Please elaborate

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There are only two examples of infinity: The universe and human stupidity and I'm not sure about the universe.

Well, I was using his excuse.

Still, no matter how you justify it, wanting to deny the right for someone who is gay to marry the person they want is anti-gay.

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

You should be able to define what a right is before making that claim.

It's been at least three years of waiting for this from you without ever receiving a coherent response.

Because I say so, doesn't make anything a right.

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Getting married is not a right. I am pro-gay marriage simply because they get tax breaks, but I have no issue if a particular religion has specifications regarding their institution. That doesn't make them "anti-gay" in my book. They could be anti-gay, but that alone does not make them that. Stoning gay people to death would be anti-gay, for example.

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I'm pretty sure I have before, but this is the dictionary definition: "a moral or legal entitlement to have or obtain something or to act in a certain way."

The government grants the right to get married to those of legal age. I have a government sanctioned marriage. I am sure you do too.

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How do you grant that "right"? What if someone can't find a willing participant to marry them? Do we force someone to marry them to grant their "right"?

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We aren't talking about what a specific institution wants. We are talking about the concept of gay marriage in regards to the government and actions involving the government. This is just a standard fallback position when you can't deal with the actual argument.

A church can deny someone from getting married in their building for a number of reasons. It could be because of a prior divorce, or a lack of participation in church related activities, or because they aren't Jewish. That's fine. The problem is that religious people almost always believe that it should extend outside the church walls.

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Our Constitution grants us rights that are not dependent on government sanctioning them

And i bought a marriage license because the government required it, not because I had an interest in sanctioning my marriage.

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What are you talking about?

I have the right to bear arms. That doesn't mean the government is required to provide me anything else.

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

There are literally thousands of people in the US who are not capable of getting married due to personal disabilities. Nor would they even be able to consider the idea themselves.

Marriage is not a right.

But the conversation is helpful in exposing where other rights have been invented over the last 30 years or so such as the right to take wealth and re-distribute it.

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What point are you making here?


What do you mean the government required it? You didn't have to get a marriage license to marry the person you wanted. You chose to.

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

Things are heating up.

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Elections have consequences.

It means the government can't stop you. It's a negative right (the only real type of right, in my opinion).

I don't think people who are anti-gay marriage are focusing much on the legal portion. They are focusing on the religious portion. Essentially, one could argue that the government is stepping in and eliminating a religion's right to make their own rules.

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Interesting.

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Elections have consequences.

Didn't we have this goofy discussion three years ago?

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There are only two examples of infinity: The universe and human stupidity and I'm not sure about the universe.

So what is the difference between the government denying a marriage license and that?

This is completely wrong. The fight in the courts has always been about marriage in the government.

It's not about forcing churches to do anything inside the church. A church can deny a Jewish person from getting married there simply because they are Jewish and no one cares. However, if they started to say that Jews shouldn't be allowed to get married because God told them then things change.

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Well, I don't disagree with the legal part, but I think most of them would opt to get the government out of the business of marriage, and then all these problems go away and the various religions can dictate their own standards.

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The problem is they NEVER say that, and they often go to the courts to fight against the government definition of marriage.

With that said, the whole concept of marriage was not created by any current religious institution and they really have no reason to be in control of it. Marriage predates Christ by over a thousand years.

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Probably and people likely ignored my logical solution then. It was no such thing as a government marriage license. There is simply a government “partnership” contract or such registered locally. There is no ceremony by a judge in a government place. Then once that is filed people can go to their place of choice for any ceremony they wish for a “marriage” as they see it. Can be in a church, venue hall or cornfield for all anyone should care.

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Elections have consequences.

You are not required by law to get a marriage license. If you want the government to recognize it then you do but nothing would stop you from going to a church and getting married and never getting a marriage license. The church can recognize you as getting married. The government won't but that is your choice and you have to deal with the good and bad things from that.

I'm not even following the rest of your post any more. It just seems like random words.

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That's the same thing we have now besides the changing of one word for no reason.

That still assumes that religious organizations somehow own the concept of marriage. They don't and never have.

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They go to court for the right to practice freedom of religion.

Which is an actual right that the Constitution grants to them.

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You mean like it was until 2010?

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Marriage Licenses
Before getting married in Chicago or suburban Cook County, couples must obtain a marriage license from the Cook County Clerk's office.

https://www.cookcountyclerk.com/service ... e-licenses

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