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pittmike

Post subject: Re: Danny on the twitter muscle II

Posted: Tue Apr 09, 2019 12:08 pm

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:

pittmike wrote:

Regular Reader wrote:

Didn't we have this goofy discussion three years ago?

Probably and people likely ignored my logical solution then. It was no such thing as a government marriage license. There is simply a government “partnership” contract or such registered locally. There is no ceremony by a judge in a government place. Then once that is filed people can go to their place of choice for any ceremony they wish for a “marriage” as they see it. Can be in a church, venue hall or cornfield for all anyone should care.

That's the same thing we have now besides the changing of one word for no reason.

That still assumes that religious organizations somehow own the concept of marriage. They don't and never have.

Wrong. In my scenario the two people joining themselves together really own their own definition of marriage. The government is out and any religious entity would only have guilt power over their own members. Members that choose to be members.

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Post subject: Re: Danny on the twitter muscle II

Posted: Tue Apr 09, 2019 12:11 pm

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Seacrest wrote:

Marriage Licenses
Before getting married in Chicago or suburban Cook County, couples must obtain a marriage license from the Cook County Clerk's office.

https://www.cookcountyclerk.com/service ... e-licenses

This is so the government will recognize your marriage. The government does not require you to get a marriage license to have a marriage that is recognized by your church. You chose to have the government recognize your marriage.

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Post subject: Re: Danny on the twitter muscle II

Posted: Tue Apr 09, 2019 12:13 pm

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:

Seacrest wrote:

You must obtain...

Government doesn't require...

If you say so...

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Brick

Post subject: Re: Danny on the twitter muscle II

Posted: Tue Apr 09, 2019 12:14 pm

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pittmike wrote:

Why though? Religion has never had a monopoly on marriage.

It would be much more logical for the religious institutions to call it "traditional marriage" or "Christian-based marriage" when done based on their teachings rather than needlessly change it by the government.

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Post subject: Re: Danny on the twitter muscle II

Posted: Tue Apr 09, 2019 12:18 pm

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Seacrest wrote:

Boilermaker Rick wrote:

Seacrest wrote:

You must obtain...

Government doesn't require...

If you say so...

You must obtain...a marriage license from the government if you want the government to recognize your marriage. How is this that hard?

Nothing would have stopped you from not getting a marriage license, having your church marry you, and letting the church view you as married even if the government does not.

Let me ask it this way. If you were to get married in your church, but not obtain a marriage license for it, what would happen to you? Would you be arrested?

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Post subject: Re: Danny on the twitter muscle II

Posted: Tue Apr 09, 2019 12:27 pm

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:

Seacrest wrote:

Boilermaker Rick wrote:

Seacrest wrote:

You must obtain...

Government doesn't require...

If you say so...

This isn't even difficult to understand.

The government requires a marriage license.

I posted the relevant regulation.

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Brick

Post subject: Re: Danny on the twitter muscle II

Posted: Tue Apr 09, 2019 12:33 pm

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Seacrest wrote:

This isn't even difficult to understand.

The government requires a marriage license.

I posted the relevant regulation.

The government requires a marriage license for the government to recognize the marriage. You keep on forgetting that part. You are free to have a church recognized marriage without a government marriage license. Is that not true?

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Seacrest

Post subject: Re: Danny on the twitter muscle II

Posted: Tue Apr 09, 2019 12:41 pm

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:

Seacrest wrote:

This isn't even difficult to understand.

The government requires a marriage license.

I posted the relevant regulation.

what part of Must obtain can i help clear for you?

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Brick

Post subject: Re: Danny on the twitter muscle II

Posted: Tue Apr 09, 2019 12:45 pm

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Seacrest wrote:

Boilermaker Rick wrote:

Seacrest wrote:

This isn't even difficult to understand.

The government requires a marriage license.

I posted the relevant regulation.

what part of Must obtain can i help clear for you?

All of it.

What happens if you get married in a church without getting a marriage license first? I'm starting to think you view getting married without a marriage license like you would driving without a drivers license. :lol:

Once again, the ONLY reason you must get a marriage license is for the government to recognize it. I don't see how this is a controversial point.

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Post subject: Re: Danny on the twitter muscle II

Posted: Tue Apr 09, 2019 12:54 pm

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:

Seacrest wrote:

Boilermaker Rick wrote:

Seacrest wrote:

This isn't even difficult to understand.

The government requires a marriage license.

I posted the relevant regulation.

what part of Must obtain can i help clear for you?

Once again, the ONLY reason you must get a marriage license is for the government to recognize it. I don't see how this is a controversial point.

The government requires it.

I pointed out to you where they do that and provided a link.

You keep making jokes, and i'll let posters decide the facts i posted vs the self opinions you questioned after posting them. :lol:

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Brick

Post subject: Re: Danny on the twitter muscle II

Posted: Tue Apr 09, 2019 12:57 pm

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Seacrest wrote:

The government requires it if you want the government to recognize it. How are you not getting that part? To put it another way, if you want the government to know you got married you have to do something to let them know you got married.

What happens if you get married in a church without getting a marriage license?

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Franky T

Post subject: Re: Danny on the twitter muscle II

Posted: Tue Apr 09, 2019 1:02 pm

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Kirkwood wrote:

Drunk Squirrel wrote:

Kirkwood wrote:

WaitingforRuffcorn wrote:

Douchebag wrote:

WaitingforRuffcorn wrote:

Is any of that even true? And what is the official dividing line to call people deplorable?

I-80

That's usually dividing line, but it's probably too far south.

Douchebag is correct.

Everything south of I-80 and north of 120 is downstate IL

West of 39 besides galena probably as well. I’m north of I-80 and get told I live downstate all the time.

88.

dekalb is hillbilly

DeKalb is NORTH of I-88 dammit!

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Kirkwood

Post subject: Re: Danny on the twitter muscle II

Posted: Tue Apr 09, 2019 1:45 pm

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ya, imma dumbass.

evens = E-W.

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Regular Reader

Post subject: Re: Danny on the twitter muscle II

Posted: Tue Apr 09, 2019 2:38 pm

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pittmike wrote:

Regular Reader wrote:

Didn't we have this goofy discussion three years ago?

It's odd day when we agree this much in one afternoon :lol:

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Douchebag

Post subject: Re: Danny on the twitter muscle II

Posted: Tue Apr 09, 2019 2:40 pm

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Franky T wrote:

Kirkwood wrote:

88.

dekalb is hillbilly

DeKalb is NORTH of I-88 dammit!

It's technically north and south.

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FavreFan

Post subject: Re: Danny on the twitter muscle II

Posted: Tue Apr 09, 2019 3:18 pm

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Regular Reader wrote:

Didn't we have this goofy discussion three years ago?

It really is a very silly discussion. Rick handled it well imo.

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Post subject: Re: Danny on the twitter muscle II

Posted: Tue Apr 09, 2019 3:20 pm

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Seacrest wrote:

leashyourkids wrote:

Boilermaker Rick wrote:

leashyourkids wrote:

It means the government can't stop you. It's a negative right (the only real type of right, in my opinion).

So what is the difference between the government denying a marriage license and that?

leashyourkids wrote:

I don't think people who are anti-gay marriage are focusing much on the legal portion. They are focusing on the religious portion. Essentially, one could argue that the government is stepping in and eliminating a religion's right to make their own rules.

This is completely wrong. The fight in the courts has always been about marriage in the government.

It's not about forcing churches to do anything inside the church. A church can deny a Jewish person from getting married there simply because they are Jewish and no one cares. However, if they started to say that Jews shouldn't be allowed to get married because God told them then things change.

Well, I don't disagree with the legal part, but I think most of them would opt to get the government out of the business of marriage, and then all these problems go away and the various religions can dictate their own standards.

You mean like it was until 2010?

Are you seriously under the impression the government was out of the business of marriage until 2010?

Jesus man.

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pittmike

Post subject: Re: Danny on the twitter muscle II

Posted: Tue Apr 09, 2019 3:22 pm

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Regular Reader wrote:

pittmike wrote:

Regular Reader wrote:

Didn't we have this goofy discussion three years ago?

It's odd day when we agree this much in one afternoon :lol:

Well still early for me in LA. :lol:

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Rod

Post subject: Re: Danny on the twitter muscle II

Posted: Tue Apr 09, 2019 3:23 pm

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Regular Reader wrote:

Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:

Boilermaker Rick wrote:

Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:

Boilermaker Rick wrote:

leashyourkids wrote:

I would like to know what he said that makes him so terrible because all I can find is him saying he is against gay marriage and then saying he would never tell anyone who to love. Something I'm missing?

His gun and Obama comments make him terrible but being against the right for gay people to get married is an anti-gay stance.

Not really. It's an anti-gay marriage stance.

You're against my right to knock your teeth out. Is that an anti-JORR stance?

If people who aren't you would be allowed to do it then it would be.

I don't know why this is controversial. God said to deny gays that right. He should be proud to be called anti-gay for it.

I don't care who gets married, but I think an argument can be made against gay marriage without invoking god.

Please elaborate

Well, I would ask what the government's interest in marriage is?

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Post subject: Re: Danny on the twitter muscle II

Posted: Tue Apr 09, 2019 3:38 pm

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:

Regular Reader wrote:

Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:

Boilermaker Rick wrote:

Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:

Boilermaker Rick wrote:

His gun and Obama comments make him terrible but being against the right for gay people to get married is an anti-gay stance.

Not really. It's an anti-gay marriage stance.

You're against my right to knock your teeth out. Is that an anti-JORR stance?

If people who aren't you would be allowed to do it then it would be.

I don't know why this is controversial. God said to deny gays that right. He should be proud to be called anti-gay for it.

I don't care who gets married, but I think an argument can be made against gay marriage without invoking god.

Please elaborate

Well, I would ask what the government's interest in marriage is?

Tax and survivors benefits. Whatever it was to populate the west in the western expansion isn't relevant any more.

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pittmike

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Posted: Tue Apr 09, 2019 3:44 pm

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Yeah. RR is on it. Also you can’t deny Christian marital norms at the founding influential.

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I agree the government should get out of the marriage business. The thing I find funny though about hearing people argue for it now is I never in my life heard someone espouse such a thing(outside of libertarians) prior to the SC ruling on gay marriage.

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Post subject: Re: Danny on the twitter muscle II

Posted: Tue Apr 09, 2019 3:51 pm

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FavreFan wrote:

You just didn’t listen or they weren’t loud enough. I always remember bitching about the marriage penalty. That’s a different-opposite way of saying same things. Most people against gay marriage don’t really suffer the penalty also.

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oh look, another 3 pages of BigCrest bashing Gays, colored me shocked.

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Post subject: Re: Danny on the twitter muscle II

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:

Well, I would ask what the government's interest in marriage is?

Similar to the reasons they have interest in other business agreements.

It also has advantages in things like healthcare.

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So anyway.....fuck Bernstein.

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Post subject: Re: Danny on the twitter muscle II

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FavreFan wrote:

I have always argued that. I recall many who have.

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Post subject: Re: Danny on the twitter muscle II

Posted: Tue Apr 09, 2019 5:18 pm

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True.

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This is really this board encapsulated. A Bernstein tweet degrading downstate residents turns into a discussion of government's involvement in marriage.

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Peoria Matt wrote:

This discussion is really this board encapsulated. A Bernstein tweet degrading downstate residents turns into a discussion of government's involvement in marriage.

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