Are there black cops that target white people? Your experience seems to be that you have heard people say racist things so that must mean there are a lot of racists out there.

More white people than black people were shot. If black people are being targeted, well that's failure by the racist police.

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Why are only 14 percent of black CPS 11th-graders proficient in English?

That should be a piece in the analysis. There has to be some more.

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Im sure there are black cops that do hate and treat white people differently. I would guess it's much less than the reverse.

My experience is I know a few cops who will proudly tell you they treat black people (animals, shitheads, canadians or whatever the new term is this month) differently.




See this is not being consistent. When it's black crime you cant come out with the 13% number quick enough, but when you want to make this point, the percentages dont matter.

Based on your logic, there could be 1 million white people and 5 black guys. If 4 of the 5 black guys get shot but 25 of the whites get shot, they're shooting more whites!

With cops as with all other Chicago city employees I have also heard them say racist words and express thoughts. One thing I usually assumed is those things don’t show themselves on their jobs. People say things in their home groups one way or more importantly don’t say things outside that area. Certainly people don’t bring it to work openly.

Maybe I am naive but I believe the white cop defends the black victim just as hard as the white. The white paramedic saves the black life enthusiastically even while he says how did you get ass shot to himself.

Private racist thoughts and language probably will always exist in our lifetimes. The real rarity to me is the people that actively perform terrible premeditated racial actions.

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Mt. Greenwood has always been regarded as the neighborhood where much of the white cop/white fireman racism resides. Rightly or wrongly this has been the perception.

For me personally I have attempted to always look at it on a case by case basis. I grew up less than a block away from the old police station at 29th and Prairie. As a child I never much paid attention to it (police brutality) to be honest.

Overall I do seem to remember how most people considered it to be a net positive. We have an annual picnic in Dunbar Park each year. The first year following the closing of the station there were concerns that there might be violence as a result. Most of the concerns were expressed by those that were law abiding but surprisingly some that weren't also expressed concerns too.

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I generally agree with your observations.

I believe that you are genuine here, but every black parent I know has felt the extra need to warn our children about the dangers of the police of any color and the predisposition of many of them.

And unfortunately there a boatload of reasons why we genuinely feel this way.

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What's 13 percent?

You analogy is absolutely ridiculous. There are far more police encounters with black people. If you want to think that there are racist white cops killing black people just because, well it's become dogma at this point. Sort of like how you know that white cops are racists. But there are few black police with biases.

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Why are only 14 percent of black CPS 11th-graders proficient in English?

I doesn't have to be premeditated, its more like an ingrained bias regarding certain things.

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What percent of shootings and violent acts are committed by black offenders in Chicago? How did the black offenders handle being arrested?

It's certainly a flawed study, but it feeds into the dogma.

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Why are only 14 percent of black CPS 11th-graders proficient in English?

Yep MT Greenwood earned its rep.

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I would warn my kid too black or not these days. One warning would be never ever run from the cops. I would rather pay a million to get you out of false crime then receive a million for you dead.

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Here is the point and it's one of the main reasons that these sort of discussions are pointless where you are concerned. No matter what you will say that the study is flawed.

It will always come down to "let me find a way to say that blacks did something wrong". It's why I reference "they were lynched because they were criminals". When I provided stats about disparities in hiring practices among college grads, you immediately jumped to the conclusion that whites must have had higher Standardized tests scores.

Unfortunately you never can seem to find it in your heart to admit that you are biased and because of said biases you find it easier to stereotype blacks. Simply call it for what it is and move on.

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I know some cops. Most of the ones I know are white. A few of the white cops are proudly racist. The others I dont know about, they may be racist, they may not be.

Those are facts. Im sorry those facts bother you.

My experience is anecdotal and should be treated as such. I wouldn't even bring them up if you didnt make ridiculous sweeping generalizations that cops and everyone else arent racist because Obama was elected President.

I mean, some of these cops I know will tell you blacks are just more violent by nature and they treat them completely differently. What would you say to them? Would you not believe them?

It's absolutely relevant. We live in a society where he was compensated for wrongdoing. What more is it that Korver is asking for? And why is it racist of Korver to wonder why Sefalosha was at a night club during a back-to-back? That answer is it's not. He's wondering a perfectly logical question. That doesn't justify any wrongdoing on the part of the officer, but it's not a racist thought - he has just been brainwashed to think so. We focus attention on the plight of the millionaire black basketball player while there are people, both black, white, and other colors, who are actually in need of help. This is why Bernie Sanders gets tattooed. He acknowledges that there are people of all colors with problems and that poverty and terrible life circumstances don't discriminate. But instead of actually focusing on those people, we commend Kyle Korver for lecturing everyone about how rough some of the most powerful people in our country have it in life. The thing he wrote, to me, is completely tone deaf and reeks of true privilege.

Any situation where people are discriminated against based on the color of their skin is wrong. For the most part, everyone agrees with that. Where we "disagree" is when we draw grand conclusions from single examples (which is sort of racist in itself). An idiot yelled at Russell Westbrook. Some idiot cop broke Thabo Sefalosha's leg. Why should you and I and probably most people here, who are not "racist" in the sense we are discussing and who try to do everything right and not discriminate in our lives, have to answer for them? Do you feel personally responsible for a cop in New York breaking Thabo Sefalosha's leg? If so, what are you doing to rectify it?

Is Korver's article a big deal in the whole scheme of things? No, not by itself, but it is an attempt to vilify everyone who has white skin for the actions of people they have nothing to do with. It is judging people based on immutable characteristics instead of as an individual. Go tell the poor, white gas station worker he should feel sorry for Lebron James. See how sane you sound.

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He would believe them and agree with them. It's why he's doing his usual bit in this thread. JORR had it right when he said:

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What would I say to them? Nothing, because they have a gun and a badge, and I don't. If I thought they were seriously going to cause harm though I would report them through whatever options are open. You are the one making sweeping generalizations based on anecdotes btw.

If there was data to say police are targeting black people it would be good to see it, rather than your claims of seeing a cop say something racist on a website. They must be targeting black people!

The Barrack Obama stuff is you being butthurt for some reason. I never said there are not individual racists. I just do not believe that there is an organized effort to keep black people down anymore like there was 60 years ago. And that by insisting that there is a secret conspiracy to do so is causing the obvious reason for suffering to be ignored because it's considered taboo.

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Why are only 14 percent of black CPS 11th-graders proficient in English?

The Italian crime rate did come up quite often at one time in history. I am sorry that data and facts offend you.

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Why are only 14 percent of black CPS 11th-graders proficient in English?

I dont think we have to answer for idiots. I think the Korver types are arguing we should acknowledge it exists and those who can affect it try to limit it. So as far as you and I and others who attempt to do everything right? I think we are all good if we acknowledge it exists and its a problem.

I dont believe he said his back to back was a racist thought. Its not. It's a victim blaming thought though. Most of us are guilty of that from time to time.

Never saw that Jorr quote until just now. Interesting.

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Yes, I am the one of us two who is butthurt and super invested here.

I have made zero generalizations. Literally not one.

I asked the hypothetical because you seemed to be saying racist cops dont exist. But maybe I had that wrong? You do know that racist cops exist, you just dont think it's a large scale problem?

And second city cop is not one guy being racist. But you know that.

You dont want a discussion. You are out to prove something you believe is a fact. I dont know how much racism is left and its effects in 2019. I think its hard for anyone to know.

We are seeking different things here, so I wll just wish you luck in your journey to prove it.

I have no idea what Second City Cop is. If you want to say racists post there well that trumps all the data clearly. I love how we have been in a discussion all day, but you were not invested. The Barrack Obama comment was a shot, and you know it.

Like I said if you have data that shows the police are racist go ahead, and post it. That's a conversation.

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/12/upsh ... tings.html

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Why are only 14 percent of black CPS 11th-graders proficient in English?

Will WFR send a pm to rpb saying he wants to meet in person?

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

It wasnt a shot. It was bringing up a major point in your thesis that we've solved the problem of structural racism.

I agree that it's much better than it was in the past.

Second City cop is a group of cops posting anonymously (read: their real thoughts) so I think it provides some insight into what the average cop believes.

I could post some studies. You will poke holes in them and I would do the same to yours and we'll still believe what we believe.

But here...

1. A study by a University of California, Davis professor found “evidence of a significant bias in the killing of unarmed black Americans relative to unarmed white Americans, in that the probability of being black, unarmed, and shot by police is about 3.49 times the probability of being white, unarmed, and shot by police on average.”

https://journals.plos.org/plosone/artic ... ne.0141854

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2016/07 ... verso=true

I've met with people on here. Maybe you would not feel so comfortable calling me a Klansman if you saw me as a person rather than your racism police approved alt-Right internet troll. Or maybe you still would because you enjoy being a dick. Who knows?

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Why are only 14 percent of black CPS 11th-graders proficient in English?

Would you wear the hood?

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

How do you know that it was racially motivated?

What the police did was clearly wrong, regardless of whether Sefalosha was black, white, pink, or purple. Why do we always assume that things are racially motivated without any evidence of that? And it isn't statistically significant. The only examples we have here are anecdotal. There are far more prevalent dangers to all people than getting beaten up by the cops. There were 30 people shot in Chicago this weekend. That's not deflection. It's fact. If there was genuine concern about black people, it would be for the kids who grow up in that environment, who don't have a shot at life, and who live miserable existences. It's saddening. Russell Westbrook having to deal with an idiot is not, and dedicating one iota of attention to it and trying to draw grand conclusions from it is a waste of time (and, I would argue, harmful, because it is creating animosity between people of different races that doesn't need to exist).

Your assertion that it "must not happen in the first place" is noble but really doesn't make sense in the whole scheme of things. You seem to be saying that if any injustice ever occurs in America and happens to be to a person with dark skin tone, then racism is flourishing. It's just not true, and it never will be. People do bad things to each other. People are imperfect. That's why we have a court system which works to remedy those things. It should be seen as a positive effect of a good system that this was remedied.



Come on. Then what's the point in saying it? Kyle Korver wrote an op-ed to let the world know he is guilty of occasional victim-blaming? Deep.

What do you think Korver's objective in writing this piece was?

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Did you see what they were looking at? 721 police shootings in 2011-2014. So it's slightly older and less robust than the study posted earlier. What is interesting about this study is that it is looking for clusters at the county level. Now that I could believe- that there are pockets in the country where there are racists in police departments or frankly there is a cluster more trigger happy cops. That's using data to find a specific problem and provide a solution.

I think it's a very dangerous idea to put out there that the police are targeting black people for execution. Also, this is national police shootings across a nation of 300 million. While this is not a complete data set less than 1,000 over a three year period suggests to me that there is less an actual problem than a narrative.

How does this list compare to shootings as a whole?

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Why are only 14 percent of black CPS 11th-graders proficient in English?

Im not going to respond to all of this because I believe you and I have covered all of it in the past. I agree with some of it and some is a bit off.

I will point out that it's possible to care about people getting shot in Chicago and think racism in the police is also worth addressing.

My post was making the point that sometimes monetary compensation doesn't undo the act. I know you know that but your post seemed like you were saying, the monetary thing made it all good.




Come on. Then what's the point in saying it? Kyle Korver wrote an op-ed to let the world know he is guilty of occasional victim-blaming? Deep.

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I think it was written purely for monetary gain that will come from being the woke white nba guy.

Im taking off from work in 2 minutes, Ill answer more tonight or tomorrow.

I do not think police are targeting black people for execution though.

I do think some police value certain lives over others based on skin tone, class, gender, etc

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/opi ... f6de1491d8

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions ... ab6b4d70e8

Seems likely it’s not just a few bad apples.

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