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I'd say the kid's death is on the hands of his total shithead parents, but you do have a point about DCFS failing here.


True but if the assshats did their job right kid would be alive. He was born with drugs in his system. Was removed once.Then returned. At least one visit they found shit and piss on the floor and were okay with it and looks like no follow up was done.



That was the cops who found shit and piss and broken windows, not DCFS. I agree, that those kids should not have been allowed to stay there, it's an obvious health risk, even knowing nothing else about the rest of the situation.

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Is there any reason why the parents do not deserve the death penalty?


Not cost effective or not a deterrent seem to be favored reasons from the board Illuminati.


Why haven't you killed anyone Mike? There's a moratorium on the death penalty in Pennsylvania. Get out there and murder somebody!

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Is there any reason why the parents do not deserve the death penalty?


Not cost effective or not a deterrent seem to be favored reasons from the board Illuminati.


Why haven't you killed anyone Mike? There's a moratorium on the death penalty in Pennsylvania. Get out there and murder somebody!


I don’t want to spend my life in prison?

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pittmike wrote:
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Is there any reason why the parents do not deserve the death penalty?


Not cost effective or not a deterrent seem to be favored reasons from the board Illuminati.


Why haven't you killed anyone Mike? There's a moratorium on the death penalty in Pennsylvania. Get out there and murder somebody!


I don’t want to spend my life in prison?


But there's no death penalty. There's literally no disincentive to stop you from killing someone!

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SpiralStairs wrote:
pittmike wrote:
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Is there any reason why the parents do not deserve the death penalty?


Not cost effective or not a deterrent seem to be favored reasons from the board Illuminati.


Why haven't you killed anyone Mike? There's a moratorium on the death penalty in Pennsylvania. Get out there and murder somebody!


I don’t want to spend my life in prison?


But there's no death penalty. There's literally no disincentive to stop you from killing someone!


For me personally there is a deterrent. If there was some quick streamlined path the the gallows that would be too.

You might be missing my larger point as well. I’m big on vengeance and don’t really care about rehabilitation or cruel and unusual for killers either. Just so we are clear.

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Is there any reason why the parents do not deserve the death penalty?


Not cost effective or not a deterrent seem to be favored reasons from the board Illuminati.



We believe in the death penalty. We recently sentenced Nipsey Hussle. But not before stopping at Ferraro's On The Hill for a large Meat Lovers.

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How do you go to a home 17 times notice dog shit everywhere and no electricity, and not do anything about it? I am guessing it's because it's not that rare. Speaking as someone who has rented out places and done some in home sales- it's incredible how a good percentage of the population lives.

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Probably tons of different reasons households get fucked up like that.

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Parents being charged . Fessed up after confronted with forensic cell phone data. Just take them out back and shoot those cocksuckers right now .

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Good work police people?

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How do you go to a home 17 times notice dog shit everywhere and no electricity, and not do anything about it? I am guessing it's because it's not that rare.

I thought that was what Crystal Lake was known for.

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Parents being charged . Fessed up after confronted with forensic cell phone data. Just take them out back and shoot those cocksuckers right now .


Well she's 7-months pregnant. So probably need to figure that out first.

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I'm sure that have a perfectly reasonable explanation for everything. Why is everyone so quick to judge?

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I'm sure that have a perfectly reasonable explanation for everything. Why is everyone so quick to judge?

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They were both in on this? How can two people agree to do this together? So fucked up.

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Parents being charged . Fessed up after confronted with forensic cell phone data. Just take them out back and shoot those cocksuckers right now .


Well she's 7-months pregnant. So probably need to figure that out first.

You should volunteer to wet nurse the baby

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Parents being charged . Fessed up after confronted with forensic cell phone data. Just take them out back and shoot those cocksuckers right now .


Well she's 7-months pregnant. So probably need to figure that out first.

You should volunteer to wet nurse the baby


Did not take you for a men and woman are exactly the same type.

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They were both in on this? How can two people agree to do this together? So fucked up.


watch more ID Network.


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They were both in on this? How can two people agree to do this together? So fucked up.


watch more ID Network.


No thanks.

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How do you go to a home 17 times notice dog shit everywhere and no electricity, and not do anything about it? I am guessing it's because it's not that rare.

I thought that was what Crystal Lake was known for.

That and bad multing.

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Is Joe Orr still defending the parents?


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People: this is horrible, how could DCFS let this happen?

DCFS: we are underfunded and understaffed.

Same people: There is literally no way to fix this problem!

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People: this is horrible, how could DCFS let this happen?

DCFS: we are underfunded and understaffed.

Same people: There is literally no way to fix this problem!



Horseshit, DCFS is useless. You could triple their budget and they'd still drop the ball routinely. How fucking hard is it to walk into a shithole and see children living in terrible condition with terrible people and remove the kids? It's common sense.

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People: this is horrible, how could DCFS let this happen?

DCFS: we are underfunded and understaffed.

Same people: There is literally no way to fix this problem!



Horseshit, DCFS is useless. You could triple their budget and they'd still drop the ball routinely. How fucking hard is it to walk into a shithole and see children living in terrible condition with terrible people and remove the kids? It's common sense.


And put them where?

Do you think the people who work for DCFS hate kids?

Spiral is right.

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Foster care > Filthy house, awful parents

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Foster care > Filthy house, awful parents


We are told the government should never separate poor dirty kids from their parents.

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It is a tricky subject. Don't want the government getting too involved in how people raise their kids, but obviously something needs to be done with conditions like that.

This is a horrible story.

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SPRINGFIELD — Labor officials who represent workers in the Illinois Department of Children and Family Services say staff shortages in that agency have been making it difficult for case workers to keep up with a large volume of reports about abuse and neglect.

But they also say the situation has been getting better in recent months, and they hope state lawmakers will provide additional funding in next year's budget to address the problem further.

"This is a very long-running problem," said Anders Lindall, a spokesman for the American Federation of State, County and Municipal Employees Council 31, which represents DCFS workers.

The question about staffing levels arose in the wake of the death of 2-year-old Ta'Naja Barnes of Decatur in February.

Her family was the subject of an open case at DCFS. It was officially closed before her death, despite the fact that an agency working on contract with the department had been notified of ongoing concerns about the welfare of children in that family.

Barnes's death, in fact, occurred just weeks after DCFS's Office of Inspector General released its annual report, which included a number of findings related to the death of another child — 17-month-old Semaj Crosby, who died in Joliet in 2017. The inspector general found agency understaffing had been a significant issue.

"At the time that the toddler's family was involved with the Department, the entire Northern Region of DCFS, including the Field Office, was understaffed (at times as low as 66% understaffed), resulting in excessive investigative caseloads," the report stated. "Office caseloads were particularly high in the second half of calendar year 2016. Regional administrators were notifying upper level DCFS management weekly of the ongoing staffing crisis."

But the issue of staffing in the state's child welfare agency has a much longer history, dating back to the 1980s, when lawyers with the American Civil Liberties Union filed a class-action lawsuit against Illinois over staffing issues. They argued that understaffing problems were forcing social workers to handle unmanageable caseloads, in turn endangering the welfare of children.

That lawsuit led to a settlement in 1991, known as the "B.H." consent decree, that requires DCFS to maintain adequate staffing levels — enough for each worker to handle roughly 12-13 new cases per month, or about 153 per year.

News reports about Semaj Crosby's death, however, revealed that DCFS under then-Gov. Bruce Rauner's administration was not adhering to the B.H. consent-decree requirements. ACLU attorneys went back to federal court to force the Republican governor's administration to comply.

Anne Irving, who works as AFSCME's liaison to DCFS, said that since the lawsuit was reopened, the union, DCFS workers and agency officials began holding quarterly meetings to review staffing levels in all regions throughout the state, and the agency has been hiring staff to fill critical vacancies.

Still, Irving said, staffing shortages continue to exist in some regions of the state — as measured by the consent decree — including the central Illinois region, which was short 12 investigator positions as recently as March 5. But the local office in Decatur, she said, is currently fully staffed.

"There are still staffing shortages in some areas in terms of, for example, investigations, where the focus has been," she said. "That's better in most areas of the state, but there are still shortages in some areas."

Lindall said AFSCME and its members are supporting Democratic Gov. J.B. Pritzker's budget proposal for DCFS, which calls for funding an additional 126 staff members, including investigators and other front-line child welfare workers.

"We have made a lot of progress in the last year or two," he said. "That has required flexibility on the part of the union and the agency, and there has been some real progress in certain work areas and parts of the state. But some areas still don't have the staff they need, and that's what the governor is trying to address."

DCFS did not respond to multiple requests for answers to questions about its staffing levels or how it was responding to the Inspector General's report.

But the agency's interim director, Debra Dyer-Webster, told a legislative committee Tuesday she is also hopeful lawmakers will address the staffing shortages.

"These are the investigators and case workers on the front line working directly with children and families," she said. "This funding will have an extraordinary impact on caseloads and the time and quality of service we can provide to all in our care."

Capitol News Illinois is a newly created nonprofit news service operated by the Illinois Press Foundation. Its mission is to provide credible and unbiased coverage of state government to the more than 400 daily and weekly newspapers that are members of the Illinois Press Association.


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People: this is horrible, how could DCFS let this happen?

DCFS: we are underfunded and understaffed.

Same people: There is literally no way to fix this problem!



Horseshit, DCFS is useless. You could triple their budget and they'd still drop the ball routinely. How fucking hard is it to walk into a shithole and see children living in terrible condition with terrible people and remove the kids? It's common sense.


DCFS outsources a large portion of its cases to local agencies who are also understaffed and underfunded.

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Foster care > Filthy house, awful parents


Bro, how do you think kids get placed in the foster care system in the first place?

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