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The Bears drafting strategy is odd, but whatever... it has been pretty good lately.

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Fast is overrated (and again, he’s slightly slower than Alvin Kamara) This guy breaks tackles, great sense of balance and low center of gravity, great vision. He’s gonna be a very good pro.




Fast is overrated if you’re James Jett and that’s all you have.. it’s not overrated if it’s one of many assets

Of course but “not fast” is a dumb knock on this guy. Is Josh Jacobs “not fast”?

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This guy has better hands than Howard, he's a better blocker and he's quicker..great pick.




There’s mixed scouting reports out on him as a receiver. I haven’t done a lot of reading/video watching on him so it’s hard for me to say too much right now..


..that said, fast or slow they need a back that fits the system they run and I have to trust for now that David Montgomery is that guy. No way Pace didn’t watch film with Nagy and get his input about this.

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Fast is overrated (and again, he’s slightly slower than Alvin Kamara) This guy breaks tackles, great sense of balance and low center of gravity, great vision. He’s gonna be a very good pro.




Fast is overrated if you’re James Jett and that’s all you have.. it’s not overrated if it’s one of many assets

Of course but “not fast” is a dumb knock on this guy. Is Josh Jacobs “not fast”?




David Montgomery is the guy we’re talking about, not Josh Jacobs.


And as I stated in my post before this one it’s a little irrelevant I guess if he’s fast or slow if he’s a good fit for the offense we run. Unfortunately Howard wasn’t, despite being a pretty good back.

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This guy has better hands than Howard, he's a better blocker and he's quicker..great pick.




There’s mixed scouting reports out on him as a receiver. I haven’t done a lot of reading/video watching on him so it’s hard for me to say too much right now..


..that said, fast or slow they need a back that fits the system they run and I have to trust for now that David Montgomery is that guy. No way Pace didn’t watch film with Nagy and get his input about this.


I've seen about 2 minutes of him on YouTube. What would you like to know?

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This guy has better hands than Howard, he's a better blocker and he's quicker..great pick.




There’s mixed scouting reports out on him as a receiver. I haven’t done a lot of reading/video watching on him so it’s hard for me to say too much right now..


..that said, fast or slow they need a back that fits the system they run and I have to trust for now that David Montgomery is that guy. No way Pace didn’t watch film with Nagy and get his input about this.


I've seen about 2 minutes of him on YouTube. What would you like to know?




Hall of Fame or nah..?

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This guy has better hands than Howard, he's a better blocker and he's quicker..great pick.




There’s mixed scouting reports out on him as a receiver. I haven’t done a lot of reading/video watching on him so it’s hard for me to say too much right now..


..that said, fast or slow they need a back that fits the system they run and I have to trust for now that David Montgomery is that guy. No way Pace didn’t watch film with Nagy and get his input about this.


I've seen about 2 minutes of him on YouTube. What would you like to know?




Hall of Fame or nah..?


Surefire HOFer. Anyone who says otherwise is a moron.

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Fast is overrated (and again, he’s slightly slower than Alvin Kamara) This guy breaks tackles, great sense of balance and low center of gravity, great vision. He’s gonna be a very good pro.




Fast is overrated if you’re James Jett and that’s all you have.. it’s not overrated if it’s one of many assets

Of course but “not fast” is a dumb knock on this guy. Is Josh Jacobs “not fast”?




David Montgomery is the guy we’re talking about, not Josh Jacobs.


And as I stated in my post before this one it’s a little irrelevant I guess if he’s fast or slow if he’s a good fit for the offense we run. Unfortunately Howard wasn’t, despite being a pretty good back.

Your first line in your response tells me all I need to know :lol:

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This guy has better hands than Howard, he's a better blocker and he's quicker..great pick.




There’s mixed scouting reports out on him as a receiver. I haven’t done a lot of reading/video watching on him so it’s hard for me to say too much right now..


..that said, fast or slow they need a back that fits the system they run and I have to trust for now that David Montgomery is that guy. No way Pace didn’t watch film with Nagy and get his input about this.


I've seen about 2 minutes of him on YouTube. What would you like to know?




Hall of Fame or nah..?


Surefire HOFer. Anyone who says otherwise is a moron.



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 Post subject: Re: 2019 Bears Draft
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Fast is overrated (and again, he’s slightly slower than Alvin Kamara) This guy breaks tackles, great sense of balance and low center of gravity, great vision. He’s gonna be a very good pro.




Fast is overrated if you’re James Jett and that’s all you have.. it’s not overrated if it’s one of many assets

Of course but “not fast” is a dumb knock on this guy. Is Josh Jacobs “not fast”?




David Montgomery is the guy we’re talking about, not Josh Jacobs.


And as I stated in my post before this one it’s a little irrelevant I guess if he’s fast or slow if he’s a good fit for the offense we run. Unfortunately Howard wasn’t, despite being a pretty good back.

Your first line in your response tells me all I need to know :lol:




Glad I could clear up any confusion you may have had about them being the same person.

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 Post subject: Re: 2019 Bears Draft
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You certainly cleared up how valuable “not fast” is as a description in dismissing it with the consensus best RB in the class.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YFxioth0M7I

Looks like a better fit for Nagy than Howard was.

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You certainly cleared up how valuable “not fast” is as a description in dismissing it with the consensus best RB in the class.




What are you so upset about bud? You guys just signed the best Saftey in the entire NFL over the last few years, you should be celebrating

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You certainly cleared up how valuable “not fast” is as a description in dismissing it with the consensus best RB in the class.




What are you so upset about bud? You guys just signed the best Saftey in the entire NFL over the last few years, you should be celebrating

I’m not upset. That’s a strange response to me disagreeing with “not fast” being a reason to dislike the pick, especially considering it’s not really true relative to his peers.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YFxioth0M7I

Looks like a better fit for Nagy than Howard was.




Not bad. He runs differently than Howard seems ‘quicker’ if not faster..

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 Post subject: Re: 2019 Bears Draft
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Looks like a better fit for Nagy than Howard was.

Not bad. He runs differently than Howard seems ‘quicker’ if not faster..

Not faster, but I think cuttier for sure. Seems like an average type RB. I think I would have rather they just picked D and taken whoever was left at RB in the fourth -- not sure there would be that big of a drop off.

EDIT: But I am forgetting the compensation picks that come in between.

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 Post subject: Re: 2019 Bears Draft
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Ok.. so RB is out of the way. So does Pace go with a need with the next pick, or best player available?

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Looks like a better fit for Nagy than Howard was.

Not bad. He runs differently than Howard seems ‘quicker’ if not faster..

Not faster, but I think cuttier for sure. Seems like an average type RB. I think I would have rather they just picked D and taken whoever was left at RB in the fourth -- not sure there would be that big of a drop off.




‘Cuttier’ -I like it.


Are there any pass rushers worth taking a flyer on with the next pick? That might be a safe bet for where Pace will go next..

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He's definitely shifty for 222 lbs. The Kareem Hunt comp is fairly decent on video and on paper. Maybe they want him to drop upward of ten pounds and add more acceleration. Although at 222 his combine numbers are very similar to Hunt's already.

I just dont understand the RB moves in general this offseason. I actually liked the Mike Davis signing so I dont really see how somehow Nagy makes this work given what we saw last year with the confusion surrounding the ground game. That's a crowded room even before you factor in Patterson as a gadget.

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Mike Davis is good. Montgomery could be very good. They needed another back besides Davis. Cohen functionally basically plays a different position than those two. It was a very good pick.

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Rashan Gary ran a faster 40.

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He is slooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooowwwwwww

Ran almost the exact same 40 as Alvin Kamara. You’re bad at this. He’s really good. Best RB in the class.

Relax tiger...I like the pick..already the best RB in the NFC North


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Yeah, I just don't understand why you would basically give up a bunch of picks for a guy who will be lucky to be Jordan Howard. I don't get drafting runningbacks high, either.

But like NME said, they deserve the benefit of the doubt for now.

Montgomery isn't a burner but he's faster than Jordan Howard....Jordan Howard is really, really slow


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Very odd. The Mack trade is the only reason to trust Pace. Running backs are easy to find.

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Jordan Howard was rated a better prospect coming out of college (by scouts not named Farvefan) and pretty much all of his stats Bear that out...

https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/jordan-howard-1.html
https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/david-montgomery-1.html

http://www.nfl.com/draft/2016/profiles/jordan-howard?id=2555418
https://www.nfl.com/prospects/david-montgomery?id=32194d4f-4e48-7374-a044-7fb197b6b501

I think the Bears should have kept Howard, filled a position of greater need and/or value with the 87th pick and built depth with the picks they gave away.

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This guy has better hands than Howard, he's a better blocker and he's quicker..great pick.




There’s mixed scouting reports out on him as a receiver. I haven’t done a lot of reading/video watching on him so it’s hard for me to say too much right now..


..that said, fast or slow they need a back that fits the system they run and I have to trust for now that David Montgomery is that guy. No way Pace didn’t watch film with Nagy and get his input about this.


I've seen about 2 minutes of him on YouTube. What would you like to know?




Hall of Fame or nah..?


Surefire HOFer. Anyone who says otherwise is a moron.


He might have run the second best run I have ever seen besides Barry Sanders.

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