You would need zero stipulations if the guy was a true ace. The fact that you have to say, "Yeah but...," regarding getting the best out of Carlos Rodon for a few starts here and there means you agree with me.

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Putting the label of "Ace" aside, I think Rodon still can be a solid starting pitcher. He has a good delivery and movement on his pitches. It is the movement on his pitches that may be part of his problem because he can't get them over sometimes and that results in way too many deep counts with hitters who know this weakness.

Sometimes, a pitcher needs to modify his grip a bit to take some of the spin off of a pitch to get it over the plate. Also, he needs to get ahead of a hitter and once he is ahead, GO AFTER the hitter and not arbitrarily waste pitches. Too many times, pitchers start nibbling away after being early in the count and end up walking the guy or having to give in to the hitter with a cookie late in the count. As a coach, this drives me nuts.

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Oh, he might have went on livin'
But he made one fatal slip
When he tried to match the Ranger
With the big iron on his hip

Like I said, I won't argue semantics of the word ace. Give me a 19 year old Rodon free of future injury, and I'd give you a cy young candidate today.

That goes back to him needing to pitch every 5 days consistently. He has always straightened out his command with 400 in game pitches under his belt. This is what Coop has said and this is what's evident. Listen, he has a just about the top slider in the game. Did that eventually get him hurt. Probably. So obviously we have a conundrum. And look how long it took him to get a changeup that he could throw a strike with.

Nah, I'd say he's effectively done

Having him inexplicably skip AA was one of the dumbest decisions ever.

I don't know about hindsight. He was solid and robust and his delivery and motion were pure as the driven snow.

Every pitching prospect should have some time at AA. It's an important level for learning. Nobody except the White Sox has their pitching prospects skip AA.

So I take it you don't want to see Cease this year?

You have to get Cease close to 100 innings, healthy in the minors 1st. It shouldn't be even considered.

Agreed

I still think Cease should have started this year in AA then bumped up to AAA. There is just too much weird shit going on in AAA. For instance the Cubs have Happ @ Iowa sacrificing all his power for contact. A bunch of experiments. AA is pure talent vs talent.

He had over 120 last year(50 in AA) and that's about the limit for minors with the short schedule and 7 innings. Go the full 120 again and see where he's at. If it's a full blown success, put him in the rotation next year and give him 160.

I do subscribe to the theory that service time should not be considered at all for pitchers. There are finite amount of bullets in a arm. Use the best ones in the majors as soon as you can.

Yup

And yet, here you are doing just that.

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I won't argue the semantics of the semantics either.

Yup.

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Micker Adolfo out with elbow surgery again too.

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Reality is your friend, not your enemy. -- Seacrest

I read that. Do we know if it is the same elbow he had TJ on?

same, but not the full TJS this time.

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White Sox should just go Cubs route on the rebuild . Just go after established FA pitching and draft hitters .

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It aint the six minutes. Its what happens in those six minutes.

They won't sign a pitcher past 3-4yrs.

Decent chance they sign Keuchel in a month after the draft, maybe 3-62$

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Going great so far.

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FAR SUPERIOR

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Sure. Just give you a healthy, 19 years old, injury free, 4-5 starts head of steam Rodon, and there's no semantics at all.

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YOAN!

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Great game so far.

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Fare you well, fare you well
I love you more than words can tell
Listen to the river sing sweet songs
To rock my soul

Continuing to cool off!

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Lopez started rough but had a solid outing.

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