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Oh and apparently there was a plastic water bottle in a scene.
Actually, it probably had to be longer than a few weeks because GRRM, I mean Sam, had time to write that whole book. Then again, Sam was smart enough to invent the concept of Democracy so maybe he wrote it quick.[/quote]

Everyone laughing off democracy was pretty funny.

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Lord of Highgarden.

My bad. I thought it was fan favorite.

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How much time passed between the Dragon Pit scene and the small council scene?

Because Sam seemed to become a Grand Maester pretty quick.

Didn't they say a few weeks?

which is one of the problems. Sansa and Bran come down from Winterfell in that time. A trip that once took half a season now takes a single cut between scenes.

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How much time passed between the Dragon Pit scene and the small council scene?

Because Sam seemed to become a Grand Maester pretty quick.

Didn't they say a few weeks?

which is one of the problems. Sansa and Bran come down from Winterfell in that time. A trip that once took half a season now takes a single cut between scenes.


Hell, that ship sailed in season 5.

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How much time passed between the Dragon Pit scene and the small council scene?

Because Sam seemed to become a Grand Maester pretty quick.

Didn't they say a few weeks?


I know they said a few weeks from when Jon killed Dany to the Dragon Pit scene but didn't remember any time reference to the small council scene.

Oh well. Just something I noticed.

Oh and apparently there was a plastic water bottle in a scene.

The showrunners stopped caring about the show once Disney threw Star Wars money at them. Why should the editors or anyone else on the show care?

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Ogie Oglethorpe wrote:
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How much time passed between the Dragon Pit scene and the small council scene?

Because Sam seemed to become a Grand Maester pretty quick.

Didn't they say a few weeks?

which is one of the problems. Sansa and Bran come down from Winterfell in that time. A trip that once took half a season now takes a single cut between scenes.
This is a perfect example of how everyone suddenly decided to nitpick every single thing they can to one up each other. Did you really need to see Sansa and Bran in a horse carriage. In the scene, they did make it clear it was a few weeks later so I think complaining about Bran not being on the road to Kings Landing is pretty nitpicky.

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I like this plot twist a lot. Found on r/freefolk

Real Season 8 plot:

NK actually Azor Ahai who was supposed to save the world from darkness

NK/3ER both can see the future, NK saw 3ER was gonna takeover Bran and mastermind the KL massacre to become King

So after thousands of years in relative peace, NK had to come out of hibernation as the only way to stop the massacre. He had to kill Bran to save lives even at the cost of building an army of undead.

Bran lies about NK motivation to wipe out the memory of humanity to get everyone to protect him when he really just wanted to be King

All went to NK plan until thickest plot armor Arya got in a cheap shot (seriously nothing kills her Waif, Walkers, dragon fire, etc.)

Little did she know that NK would have just turned back and returned past the Wall once he killed Bran, to live out a life in peace and solitude like he did for thousands of years after saving hundreds of thousands of lives.

Millesandre kills herself after she realizes she just helped the wrong side and Bran was gonna win.

Bonus: Littlefinger actually working for NK the whole time, almost got Bran killed early on. Was actually working for the “realm.”

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That isn’t a nitpick Rick. Arya couldn’t go from Kings Landing to Riverrun in 3 seasons and these people are moving around like its three short blocks.

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That isn’t a nitpick Rick. Arya couldn’t go from Kings Landing to Riverrun in 3 seasons and these people are moving around like its three short blocks.


But they at least mention on screen that an amount of time has passed. That's better than the season 6 jetpacking.

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That isn’t a nitpick Rick. Arya couldn’t go from Kings Landing to Riverrun in 3 seasons and these people are moving around like its three short blocks.


But they at least mention on screen that an amount of time has passed. That's better than the season 6 jetpacking.


Yeah it didn’t bother me this episode but it’s been a legit concern the last two seasons.

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That isn’t a nitpick Rick. Arya couldn’t go from Kings Landing to Riverrun in 3 seasons and these people are moving around like its three short blocks.
In this case it certainly is a nitpick. It's clear that Jon Snow has been in jail for a while. They marched with an army as soon as they found out that their brother was facing almost certain death.

I understand other times they did that but the writers specifically went out of their way in this one to make it clear and you still get the "Why didn't we see Bran sitting on a horse on his way to Kings Landing?".

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Yeah it didn’t bother me this episode but it’s been a legit concern the last two seasons.
It was by no means perfect but I'd rather have story with those time jumps rather than a filler of show time being devoted to them on the road.

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
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That isn’t a nitpick Rick. Arya couldn’t go from Kings Landing to Riverrun in 3 seasons and these people are moving around like its three short blocks.
In this case it certainly is a nitpick. It's clear that Jon Snow has been in jail for a while. They marched with an army as soon as they found out that their brother was facing almost certain death.

I understand other times they did that but the writers specifically went out of their way in this one to make it clear and you still get the "Why didn't we see Bran sitting on a horse on his way to Kings Landing?".



Why would Snow be alive? What's even left of the northern army? I thought all the dothraki and unsullied were obliterated by the NK army.

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Is he on a horse or in a carriage?

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My favorite part of this comically awful finale was the way Emilia Clarke portrayed Daenerys' escalating insanity by regularly opening her eyes REALLY wide. The abrupt shift in her character apparently forced her to compensate for terrible writing with acting that was even worse. Conveniently, this garish display also provided a bit of a distraction from the cretinous writing of the dragon pit and small council scenes.

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
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That isn’t a nitpick Rick. Arya couldn’t go from Kings Landing to Riverrun in 3 seasons and these people are moving around like its three short blocks.
In this case it certainly is a nitpick. It's clear that Jon Snow has been in jail for a while. They marched with an army as soon as they found out that their brother was facing almost certain death.

I understand other times they did that but the writers specifically went out of their way in this one to make it clear and you still get the "Why didn't we see Bran sitting on a horse on his way to Kings Landing?".


Yeah. I clarified my position. It wasn’t an issue for me in this episode but it IS an issue on the show.

My biggest nitpick with the council of nobles scene was that there were people there that shouldn’t have been. The only major houses are Stark, Tully, Arryn, Greyjoy, Lannister, Tyrell, Baratheon, Martell. Only those 8 should have a vote. Brienne of Tarth? House Tarly? Sam is t even a fucking Tarly anymore. He’s either a maester or in the nights watch and either way you give up your family name/rights.

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312player wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Hank Scorpio wrote:
That isn’t a nitpick Rick. Arya couldn’t go from Kings Landing to Riverrun in 3 seasons and these people are moving around like its three short blocks.
In this case it certainly is a nitpick. It's clear that Jon Snow has been in jail for a while. They marched with an army as soon as they found out that their brother was facing almost certain death.

I understand other times they did that but the writers specifically went out of their way in this one to make it clear and you still get the "Why didn't we see Bran sitting on a horse on his way to Kings Landing?".



Why would Snow be alive? What's even left of the northern army? I thought all the dothraki and unsullied were obliterated by the NK army.

Seriously, how are any Dothraki alive? Aren't we led to believe they are all gone after the first 5 minutes of the battle vs. the dead?

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Hank Scorpio wrote:
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Hank Scorpio wrote:
That isn’t a nitpick Rick. Arya couldn’t go from Kings Landing to Riverrun in 3 seasons and these people are moving around like its three short blocks.
In this case it certainly is a nitpick. It's clear that Jon Snow has been in jail for a while. They marched with an army as soon as they found out that their brother was facing almost certain death.

I understand other times they did that but the writers specifically went out of their way in this one to make it clear and you still get the "Why didn't we see Bran sitting on a horse on his way to Kings Landing?".


Yeah. I clarified my position. It wasn’t an issue for me in this episode but it IS an issue on the show.

My biggest nitpick with the council of nobles scene was that there were people there that shouldn’t have been. The only major houses are Stark, Tully, Arryn, Greyjoy, Lannister, Tyrell, Baratheon, Martell. Only those 8 should have a vote. Brienne of Tarth? House Tarly? Sam is t even a fucking Tarly anymore. He’s either a maester or in the nights watch and either way you give up your family name/rights.


Had no idea that was Robin Arryn.

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Why would Snow be alive? What's even left of the northern army? I thought all the dothraki and unsullied were obliterated by the NK army.
I had read the spoilers prior to the last two episodes so I didn't want to say much but I did intend to say what I didn't like about this last season. The obliterated armies that ended up only losing half of their people would be high on the list.

However, the Northern army traveled with them all to Kings Landing but they retreated.

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Terry's Peeps wrote:
Hank Scorpio wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Hank Scorpio wrote:
That isn’t a nitpick Rick. Arya couldn’t go from Kings Landing to Riverrun in 3 seasons and these people are moving around like its three short blocks.
In this case it certainly is a nitpick. It's clear that Jon Snow has been in jail for a while. They marched with an army as soon as they found out that their brother was facing almost certain death.

I understand other times they did that but the writers specifically went out of their way in this one to make it clear and you still get the "Why didn't we see Bran sitting on a horse on his way to Kings Landing?".


Yeah. I clarified my position. It wasn’t an issue for me in this episode but it IS an issue on the show.

My biggest nitpick with the council of nobles scene was that there were people there that shouldn’t have been. The only major houses are Stark, Tully, Arryn, Greyjoy, Lannister, Tyrell, Baratheon, Martell. Only those 8 should have a vote. Brienne of Tarth? House Tarly? Sam is t even a fucking Tarly anymore. He’s either a maester or in the nights watch and either way you give up your family name/rights.


Had no idea that was Robin Arryn.

He’s been drinking his milk.

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I'm not freaking out over all of this, but definitely underwhelmed by the season. It felt rushed and a lot of the storylines they spent multiple seasons on didn't really become anything.

Specific to the final, I don't like the Stark "happy endings". Bran as king is a big meh. He doesn't do anything but sit in his chair and talk about people being where they should be. Once Sansa opts out of bending the knee, why wouldn't everyone there just say fuck it, and do the same thing. Let Brann be the king of the rubble of King's Landing. There is no chance Jon would be alive. The unsullied and dothroki are killing every last person for their queen, then Jon kills her, and they decide "yep, let's lock him up and figure out what to do".... Arya has been a major storyline and she did sneek attack the NK it episode 2, but was basically an extra with a lot of screen time the last 4 episodes. All the people she wanted to kill and she basically just dodged some dragonfire and falling buildings. Now she is going out to discover America and give the natives smallpox.


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Jbi11s wrote:
I like this plot twist a lot. Found on r/freefolk

Real Season 8 plot:

NK actually Azor Ahai who was supposed to save the world from darkness

NK/3ER both can see the future, NK saw 3ER was gonna takeover Bran and mastermind the KL massacre to become King

So after thousands of years in relative peace, NK had to come out of hibernation as the only way to stop the massacre. He had to kill Bran to save lives even at the cost of building an army of undead.

Bran lies about NK motivation to wipe out the memory of humanity to get everyone to protect him when he really just wanted to be King

All went to NK plan until thickest plot armor Arya got in a cheap shot (seriously nothing kills her Waif, Walkers, dragon fire, etc.)

Little did she know that NK would have just turned back and returned past the Wall once he killed Bran, to live out a life in peace and solitude like he did for thousands of years after saving hundreds of thousands of lives.

Millesandre kills herself after she realizes she just helped the wrong side and Bran was gonna win.

Bonus: Littlefinger actually working for NK the whole time, almost got Bran killed early on. Was actually working for the “realm.”



I don't think the writers had/have the foresight for this, but if they did......One of the prequels would have to focus on the NK and really get into his backstory and motivation. It is very interesting to say the least.


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The one spinoff that seems to be the most developed goes back centuries before anything we have already seen and supposedly deals with the beginning of the NK, westeros, etc.


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I thought they were starting with the Valerya prequel?

Maybe I’m wrong.

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Looking at the series as a whole it sucks this season was so rushed when you had Dany wasting so many episodes in Mereen.


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Jbi11s wrote:
I thought they were starting with the Valerya prequel?

Maybe I’m wrong.


No I think it's the Age of Heroes.

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Terry's Peeps wrote:
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I thought they were starting with the Valerya prequel?

Maybe I’m wrong.


No I think it's the Age of Heroes.

I am wrong.

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It's hilarious how much you have to overlook to say this ending is even decent.

Bran is on the throne in a place where only might and cunning previously ruled. Sure Franklin Roosevelt had to hide his handicap in a country that had lived under the concept of individual rights for about 150 years, but here in Westeros Bran the broken is given the throne based on the suggestion of Tyrion Lannister who is a prison at the time.

Jon Snow assassinates his queen with a knife to the heart. The same way he was killed. Then her body is taken away by her dragon. Why would anyone accept that she is dead? She's flown off before. And she and the dragon are still missing months later apparently.

One would have to assume Jon Snow confessed to killing her. So the Unsullied and Dothraki who are slaughtering everyone in the city for no real reason show restraint to the person who killed her? Then they accept the decisions of the ruling class of Westeros?

If the North is now a separate Kingdom what is Bran's claim to the throne? Why would the other kingdoms accept the rule of a guy from a independent kingdom? The Iron Islands just accept that the North is free even though the queen they pledged for was killed? Shouldn't the political genius Sansa see that remaining separate undermines her brother, and brings instability? Isn't it the type of selfish move that previously got people killed on the show.

It was a Disney ending, by two guys who are now working for the Mouse.

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and what was the point of the white horse for arya in the closing moments of episode 5? it was teased as a buildup to arya going after daenerys. and then she's not even on a horse when we see her in episode 6.

and shouldn't daario have been at the council meeting? i wonder how he took dany's death. guess we'll never know.


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