That's not comparable to Hiroshima though.

If you said a cop shooting through the woman to kill the dude holding her hostage, that'd be similar.

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We've had a succession of Presidents that struggle to tell the truth.

I don't think you were here during the W administration.

I don't remember your complaints about the dishonesty of Obama being very loud.

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What's positive about the atomic bombings is that that they seemed to have created a lasting image in the human imagination. None sense.

What is crazy is that the United States effectively wiped almost every major German and Japanese city off the map with conventional weapons and bombs prior to the nuclear attacks. Bombings killed around 100,000 French citizens trying to destroy the roads and bridges to prevent re-enforcements from arriving on D-Day.

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I know good people that defend stuff like Hiroshima and the carpet bombing of Dresden.

I still find such thoughts strange.

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for real. What a ridiculous notion.

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I don't have a huge issue with either W or Obama. Clinton, I think, is a depraved individual. Instances of dishonesty are inherent to politicians across time and geography. Chronic, wild fabrications and delusions are entirely different.

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That's because "Nazis" are all evil demons-- no questions asked. And if you are fighting "evil" anything can be justified. Hitler might have lost the war, but he certainly is still shaping the world.

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I'm sure you are familiar with Catholic teaching on war. You may not be as familiar with the likely consequences of NOT dropping the A-bomb.

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So you have decided Trump is depraved, but somehow Bill Clinton is not?

And Hiroshoma was simple self defense?

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I familiar with that teaching.

It's doesn't apply to Hiroshoma anymore than doing evil to rid yourself of Trump does.

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I just said I think Clinton is depraved. Did you lose your glasses?

There were about 100,000 Allied POWs already digging their own mass graves when the bomb was dropped. That's just a taste of things.

There's a great book from about 10 years ago, Unbroken. Read that and get back to me.

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I don't disagree with you that Japanese and German forces/governments did terrible things. But we dropped the bombs that killed women and children miles from the front.

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Why are only 14 percent of black CPS 11th-graders proficient in English?

I'm to the point in my life where the depravity of the human heart no longer surprises me. Ever.

Killing innocent women and children is/was not acceptable.

As an interesting aside, Nagasaki was the center of Catholicism in Japan.

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Was the 2nd bomb necessary?

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“Mr. Trump is unfit for our nation’s highest office.”- JD Vance
“My god, what an !diot.”- JD Vance tweet on Trump
“I’m a ‘Never Trump’ guy”- JD Vance

That would be a good question for Emperor Hirohito.

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A thread on legalized betting turns into a Manhattan Project debate.

Only at CFMB.

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When you hear the stories of the Okinawan people (who don't consider themselves fully Japanese btw) and the atrocities committed upon them to defend the "Japanese" home islands, you really must wonder about the "innocence" of the masses there. Especially the women & older children being prepared to fight at close quarters to the death.

And it was spurred on by a delusional sense of religion and who was a god on earth in their minds.

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they were brainwashed. about a third of them were killed in the battle. imagine what a marine invasion of Japan would have looked like.

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Once again, you're making a case for an evil achieving a good.

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With Elon, Tulsi, and Don

Just go back to where you said this before and keep reading in a loop all day.

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He wasn't very talkative.

My wife's uncle Arnie carried him out to sign the surrender.

His widow owns a few mementos from that day.

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It's really not though. Stop looking at it through the lens of your own beliefs. If you're a person with devout Christian beliefs you had two choices- Donald Trump or allowing Hillary Clinton to continue to reshape the courts to support things you consider immoral. Choosing Jeb Bush or Marco Rubio was actually choosing Clinton.

This is pretty much a binary choice. And If you're still a "Never-Trump" Conservative you may as well support AOC and Bernie.

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Anybody here seen my old friend Bobby?
Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Elon, Tulsi, and Don

Well, I guess where we're getting hung up here is the faulty premise you're beginning with that dropping that bomb was something less than evil. I can accept the idea that doing so resulted in a good. If it hadn't happened my dad was ready to be shipped out to the South Pacific. I might not be here. Some might not consider that a greater good, however.

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Anybody here seen my old friend Bobby?
Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Elon, Tulsi, and Don

More innocent women and children would have been killed in ground invasion. What was your preferred course of action? Do nothing? Bring all the troops back home and leave our POWs there?

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My preferred course of action would be not to do evil in order to achieve a good.

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Again, just patently ridiculous. I can’t even imagine how much of a die hard Trump supporter you have become to think the last sentence is true

Sorry jorr but you’re a little far gone on this.

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You should try it some time.

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There are multiple perspectives with regards to what is considered ethical. I am by no means an expert, but as I understand it, these are a few:

-From a Deontological perspective, actions are moral if you intend them to be so and you made that decision within a set of rules. So, the intent matters. You do not kill civilians, so dropping the atomic bomb on civilians is wrong.

-Consequentialists believe that the outcome is what makes something moral or immoral. Dropping the bomb put an end to WWII, so it was the right thing to do. If the Japanese had chosen to fight on, it would have been the wrong choice.

-Utilitarian ethics states that what is good for the majority of people involved is what is right. From this perspective you could argue that dropping the bomb (the bomb Dimitri...) on Japan was the right thing to do because the Japanese were fanatical and would fight to the last man even in a bleak situation. Millions of Japanese would die defending their homeland, as well as a large number of invading Americans. Compare that to several hundred thousand dead civilians.

-Egoism is the belief that what is right is what is good for me. So, I'm an American and I don't want to die during an invasion of Japan, therefore it's right to bomb them into submission with no regard for civilian life.

-Moral nihilism (or Amorality) rejects the notion of morality all together. It is neither right, nor wrong to drop the bomb. Eat Arby's.

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Not dropping the bomb kills civilians. That is wrong.

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