That seems to always be your go to though. You're projecting 25 and 9 in one vein and yet saying you don't think he will be "great" in another. Pick a lane.

Either you think he is very good-great or you don't. Don't hide behind the "well he is just a rookie" (which you seem to do with a lot of guys) he is bound to get better card.

A ton of rookies never get much better See: Andrew Wiggins. Often times guys simply are what they are.

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It's not difficult to put up numbers when they roll the ball out to you and allow you to play through your mistakes. That is what's being lost here. They aren't trying to win so they didn't much care whether he shot poorly with shitty defense.

When they start trying to win that stuff will become an issue.

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Perhaps you don't understand how the NBA and player development works. It's very rare for guys to not improve on their rookie seasons, especially when they showed dramatic improvement IN their rookie season.

I already said I was wrong on Trae and he looks like he will be a good player. I don't know how GREAT he will be because he is very small and can't guard anybody. But yes he will put up something close to 25-9 in the next few years. He put up 19-8 as a rookie, so that seems like a more than reasonable projection.

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You obviously don't understand how player development works apparently. Often increased production is merely a product of increased playing time coupled with a slight improvement on the part of the player.

Trae Young already has a high usage rate. He already plays 30+ minutes a game. As previously stated pick a lane.

This isn't about whether he is a bust or not. Now you are placing him the company of all time great point guards and trying to claim that you aren't. Now it's a different conversation.


You're projecting 25 and 9. How many point guards have ever avg that? Then you suggest that if he posts such numbers it doesn't mean he is great.

I will bet whatever you want to bet that he doesn't make an All Star team in the next 2 years.

How about that?

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Considering he put up 23.3 and 9 in February, March and April I'd say it's a very safe assumption that he can get to 25 and 9 for a season sooner rather than later.

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his turnover numbers aren't even bad for someone with his usage. He has better assist to turnover ratio than James Harden. He is in the same tier as other high usage players like Lebron, Simmons and Russell.

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My "doesn't have impact" is another guy's VORP.

His Vorp score is similar to that of Journeymen guys

Such as James Ennis. But yeah its "gibberish" to think he is a future all Star. Ok.

It's going to be really interesting to see how Atlanta is going to become such the contending team with him as the best player

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Pick a lane? I've stated my thoughts quite clearly on Trae so far in this thread. I can't really make it any clearer.

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If you are predicting 25 and 9 for him then it's safe to say you believe that he will be a great player.

I'm suggesting that he will not be. You also stated that you expect him to be in the All Star game in a few years.

Ok I don't.

All of the other little caveats (rookie) (20 years old) are a waste of time.

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I'm not sure a guy who puts up 25 and 9 with zero defense is a great player. I guess it would depend on his efficiency. You're a little too hung up on the 25 and 9 thing.

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I don't think a guy that puts up 18 and 8 on a shitty team is good either.

You're hung up on the fact that he is a rookie.

Check the advanced stats of other rookie points that turned out good. They are much better than his.

Look at Doncic's numbers this year.


Trae Young has the look of a guy that will put up decent numbers on shitty ass teams.

You have guys projecting the Hawks as the next great thing and he the next great player. Time to pump the breaks and caution regarding his youth seems to be nothing more than an effort to buy time

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Nobody is a bigger Doncic guy than I am. I'm not gonna blame Trae because he isn't as good as Doncic.

Once again, you simply don't understand player development and career arcs. Him being a rookie isn't something I'm hung up on or using as an excuse. It's simply a matter of fact that he is a rookie and the vast majority of players get better as their career progresses. This is very basic stuff. You're acting like he's a finished product. It's hilarious.

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What I am saying and what you do not seem to quite understand is that there aren't all that many players who get much better over the course of their careers.

Guys improve but guys don't go from avg to great very often. That is the part that you do not seem to understand.

He is a terrible defender. He will always be a terrible defender. He shoots a low percentage from the field. Chances are he will always shoot a low percentage from the field. That is the part you don't understand.

Guys don't go from bad shooter to great or very good shooter very often. That doesn't mean they he won't get "better". Better can simply mean that he improved by a tenth of a percent one year. Means nothing.

When you say that he might avg 25 and 9 you are placing him in an elite category. Even if it's for a season. You also seemed sure (til you weren't) that he will be a. All Star in a year or 2

All of that is hilarious to be honest. I don't ever have him making an All Star team. He isn't dynamic enough and his team will never win enough with him as the top guy to ever get there.

Saying he has a chance (as you're saying now) to do all these things really says nothing. It's the prediction without actually predicting anything.

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I think he IS a good shooter, if anything it's more shot selection, which certainly will improve

The numbers do not suggest that he is a good shooter.

The kid from the Clippers Gilgeous Alexander will be a better pro in 2 years than Trae Young. I haven't heard one person holler his name on here all season. He will be a better pro. Book it! How is that for "understanding player development"?

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Also the idea that players don’t get better at shooting is ridiculous

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It’s a bold take

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making a random prediction is "understanding player development " ?

Predicting careers off of NBA summer league is only a slightly worse take than rookies barely improve.

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Somehow I knew it would get spun to suggest something that was never actually stated.

Guys don't get "much better". He isn't going to go from a below average player to very good. That's what I'm talking about.

Saying that he "could" is really just senseless hope.

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I sure was right about Lonzo Ball now wasn't I? MANY are loathe to admit that however.

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It's really not a random prediction. I've seen both play and I'm certain GA will be better going forward.
Nothing random about it at all

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How many people are actually certain of this? There was after "zero doubt" remember. This is hilarious.

Or this?



Remember its "likely" that he will avg 25 and 9.


I will take any wager that any of you desire that he won't hit either in the next 2 years.

Again. How about that?

Let's see just how "ludicrous" "hilarious" or "ridiculous" that you believe my thoughts to be regarding this.

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No, you weren’t.

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You sure about that? Lonzo stinks. Just like I said he would.

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His biggest problem is his inability to stay healthy.

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He isn't all that effective when he is healthy. If the draft were conducted today he wouldn't crack the top 10. Probably wouldn't make top 15 either. As previously stated bust.

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He was a very good player after the All Star break. And he has a good coach. I would hope he's in the weight room as we speak because a gust of wind can blow him over.

He will be fortunate to have this guy's career. Similar setup franchise wise. Similar body type.

This guy actually had better numbers as a rookie. Like Young he put up numbers on crappy teams. The second he got with better players he was merely just a guy.

Never an All Star. This is your fate (if you're lucky) Charlie Brown.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/pl ... dda01.html

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I am not a Lonzo guy, but he would be drafted ahead of your guy Fultz if draft was done again.

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