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Here you have a bunch of young people representing their country against a nation with vastly more resources. It's obscene really.


The WWC is just an outlet for cosmopolitan liberals to get their jingoism out in a socially sanctioned way. If the privileged white boys of USA Hockey went around hanging double-digits on weaklings, all while doing the Fortnite dance to make it 9-0 early in the third, all the sits-to-pees would be talking about how this is why the rest of the world hates us. But as long as it's women doing the showboating in what's already coded as a very professional-class liberal sport, it's okay. The ladies have had a lot on their minds lately. Let them get it out.

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
Here you have a bunch of young people representing their country against a nation with vastly more resources. It's obscene really.


The WWC is just an outlet for cosmopolitan liberals to get their jingoism out in a socially sanctioned way. If the privileged white boys of USA Hockey went around hanging double-digits on weaklings, all while doing the Fortnite dance to make it 9-0 early in the third, all the sits-to-pees would be talking about how this is why the rest of the world hates us. But as long as it's women doing the showboating in what's already coded as a very professional-class liberal sport, it's okay. The ladies have had a lot on their minds lately. Let them get it out.

My favorite take is the one that says they did it to show that they deserve to be paid more. If anything, it shows that winning the Womens World Cup is significantly easier than winning the Mens World Cup.

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Here you have a bunch of young people representing their country against a nation with vastly more resources. It's obscene really.


The WWC is just an outlet for cosmopolitan liberals to get their jingoism out in a socially sanctioned way. If the privileged white boys of USA Hockey went around hanging double-digits on weaklings, all while doing the Fortnite dance to make it 9-0 early in the third, all the sits-to-pees would be talking about how this is why the rest of the world hates us. But as long as it's women doing the showboating in what's already coded as a very professional-class liberal sport, it's okay. The ladies have had a lot on their minds lately. Let them get it out.

My favorite take is the one that says they did it to show that they deserve to be paid more. If anything, it shows that winning the Womens World Cup is significantly easier than winning the Mens World Cup.


The USWNT and USMNT should play each other. Their pay should be based on the final scored. For every goal difference, is how much more the winner will be paid than the other. 1 goal, they get paid the same. 2 goal, winner gets twice as much. 3 goal, three times as much, and so on.


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i've been on both ends of drubbings where it was clearly obvious the losing team was disinterested from the offset...we didn't care if it was 4-0 or 14-0. i think the last thing wanted by a competitive team even when overmatched is for the other team to let up. thats the ultimate insult. scoring goals in the world cup is an accomplishment regardless of the score. we don't know the incentives earned individually for anyone who scored a goal.
People keep on saying this and it's just wrong. It's not an insult to slow things down a little when you are up by a huge margin in any sport. Now, most do it to try and avoid injury but seemingly the Thai team wasn't going to take up their aggressive nature to stop them and make that a concern.


if there is any let up it def is mostly for injury sake. most competitive teams don't want teams to let up for the most part if done respecfully and i argue that the woman weren't really disrespectful in their celebrations. its just soccer.

My only real frame of reference is in basketball but trying to run up the score would normally result in some pretty aggressive "defense" being played to try and stop it.


MANY would consider playing keep-away for 45 minutes even more disrespectful. Rob Stone, the ESPN studio commentator, criticized the team for running up the score but every player in the studio disagreed with him. It's the first round of a group stage where goal differential is a tie-breaker. Sweden is in their group and they lost to them in Olympic quarterfinals in 2016 on penalty kicks after finishing tied in regulation.


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MANY would consider playing keep-away for 45 minutes even more disrespectful. Rob Stone, the ESPN studio commentator, criticized the team for running up the score but every player in the studio disagreed with him. It's the first round of a group stage where goal differential is a tie-breaker. Sweden is in their group and they lost to them in Olympic quarterfinals in 2016 on penalty kicks after finishing tied in regulation.
Fair enough. The Thai team would have felt disrespected if the United States hadn't scored in the 2nd minute of penalty time.

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MANY would consider playing keep-away for 45 minutes even more disrespectful. Rob Stone, the ESPN studio commentator, criticized the team for running up the score but every player in the studio disagreed with him. It's the first round of a group stage where goal differential is a tie-breaker. Sweden is in their group and they lost to them in Olympic quarterfinals in 2016 on penalty kicks after finishing tied in regulation.
Fair enough. The Thai team would have felt disrespected if the United States hadn't scored in the 2nd minute of penalty time.


Think of how many more the US would have scored if the they didn't waste time overcelebrating goals. They did Thailand a favor. I have no idea why the ref gave any stoppage time at all. No one would have cared if they blew the whistle as soon as the watch hit 90.


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i've been on both ends of drubbings where it was clearly obvious the losing team was disinterested from the offset...we didn't care if it was 4-0 or 14-0. i think the last thing wanted by a competitive team even when overmatched is for the other team to let up. thats the ultimate insult. scoring goals in the world cup is an accomplishment regardless of the score. we don't know the incentives earned individually for anyone who scored a goal.
People keep on saying this and it's just wrong. It's not an insult to slow things down a little when you are up by a huge margin in any sport. Now, most do it to try and avoid injury but seemingly the Thai team wasn't going to take up their aggressive nature to stop them and make that a concern.


if there is any let up it def is mostly for injury sake. most competitive teams don't want teams to let up for the most part if done respecfully and i argue that the woman weren't really disrespectful in their celebrations. its just soccer.

My only real frame of reference is in basketball but trying to run up the score would normally result in some pretty aggressive "defense" being played to try and stop it.


MANY would consider playing keep-away for 45 minutes even more disrespectful. Rob Stone, the ESPN studio commentator, criticized the team for running up the score but every player in the studio disagreed with him. It's the first round of a group stage where goal differential is a tie-breaker. Sweden is in their group and they lost to them in Olympic quarterfinals in 2016 on penalty kicks after finishing tied in regulation.

Do you honestly fucking think that goal differential is going to mean fuck all for the US in this ?

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i've been on both ends of drubbings where it was clearly obvious the losing team was disinterested from the offset...we didn't care if it was 4-0 or 14-0. i think the last thing wanted by a competitive team even when overmatched is for the other team to let up. thats the ultimate insult. scoring goals in the world cup is an accomplishment regardless of the score. we don't know the incentives earned individually for anyone who scored a goal.

the format of soccer and its watchability is dependent upon scoring chances, letting up kicking the ball around for 45 minutes trying not to score is way worse for the sport than running up the score. who cares about celebrations. if you are worried about how your child might perceive it as they learn the game of soccer....screw your kid, be a parent.

as for trump, thats a left turn. I don't care what other countries think about the US whether its obama or trump as our president.



Again, I have no problem with them scoring 40 goals if they are capable. Maybe the opposing country shouldn't send a team to a competition like this if they can't compete. My issue is the way they celebrated and rubbed the faces of their opponents in the loss.

You can defend that if you want. But it's a coarsening of culture. No different than a guy flipping his bat three feet in the air. At least in that case he's embarrassing another guy making at least $1,000,000 a year and it's within a context that is strictly about entertainment/money. I'm more willing to entertain an apology for that.

Here you have a bunch of young people representing their country against a nation with vastly more resources. It's obscene really.

Rapinoe and Morgan sure did put a "sick burn" on those Thai girls. Now I'll go watch John Oliver spit "sick burns" in a shitty British accent for an hour. And after that I'll sit around scratching my ass lamenting how the nation could possibly elect President Sick Burn.

:lol: :lol:

You can't complain about culture coarsening while simultaneously viewing everything through a Trump supporter's eyes and rhetoric.

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You can't complain about culture coarsening while simultaneously viewing everything through a Trump supporter's eyes and rhetoric.


Who are you talking to?

Being capable to understand where the other guy is coming from isn't "seeing everything through his eyes". You know that though. It just feels good for you to judge people and call them "pieces of shit" for not sharing your politics.

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Do you honestly fucking think that goal differential is going to mean fuck all for the US in this ?



Not anymore. :lol:

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:lol: :lol:

You can't complain about culture coarsening while simultaneously viewing everything through a Trump supporter's eyes and rhetoric.



i didn't understand how i turned into a person who was embarassed to be an American because of trump because i was ok with soccer being played and celebrated in a traditional way.


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You can't complain about culture coarsening while simultaneously viewing everything through a Trump supporter's eyes and rhetoric.


Who are you talking to?

Being capable to understand where the other guy is coming from isn't "seeing everything through his eyes". You know that though. It just feels good for you to judge people and call them "pieces of shit" for not sharing your politics.

I'm not judging you. But I think you know for a fact that referring to the players as dykes is just as much "coarsening of the culture" as celebrating a goal is. You're not consistent on these things. You defend everything that conservatives/trump supporters would defend and attack everything they attack. This is simply plainly obvious just from observation. It's not a judgment. I never called you a piece of shit.

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You can't complain about culture coarsening while simultaneously viewing everything through a Trump supporter's eyes and rhetoric.



i didn't understand how i turned into a person who was embarassed to be an American because of trump because i was ok with soccer being played and celebrated in a traditional way.


Did you really not understand my point?

And a 13-0 score is in no way traditional.

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KDdidit wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
hnd wrote:
i've been on both ends of drubbings where it was clearly obvious the losing team was disinterested from the offset...we didn't care if it was 4-0 or 14-0. i think the last thing wanted by a competitive team even when overmatched is for the other team to let up. thats the ultimate insult. scoring goals in the world cup is an accomplishment regardless of the score. we don't know the incentives earned individually for anyone who scored a goal.
People keep on saying this and it's just wrong. It's not an insult to slow things down a little when you are up by a huge margin in any sport. Now, most do it to try and avoid injury but seemingly the Thai team wasn't going to take up their aggressive nature to stop them and make that a concern.


if there is any let up it def is mostly for injury sake. most competitive teams don't want teams to let up for the most part if done respecfully and i argue that the woman weren't really disrespectful in their celebrations. its just soccer.

My only real frame of reference is in basketball but trying to run up the score would normally result in some pretty aggressive "defense" being played to try and stop it.


MANY would consider playing keep-away for 45 minutes even more disrespectful. Rob Stone, the ESPN studio commentator, criticized the team for running up the score but every player in the studio disagreed with him. It's the first round of a group stage where goal differential is a tie-breaker. Sweden is in their group and they lost to them in Olympic quarterfinals in 2016 on penalty kicks after finishing tied in regulation.

Do you honestly fucking think that goal differential is going to mean fuck all for the US in this ?


They’re in a group with a team they tied with during the last international tournament, why wouldn’t it have been a possibility? Like every team, they’d rather be a 1 seed than a 2 seed in the knockout stages


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So it's strategically beneficial to run up the score?

Fucking run it up then.

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So it's strategically beneficial to run up the score?

Fucking run it up then.

Buncha whiners.

As has been mentioned numerous times already it’s really not about running up the score. It’s about celebrating the ninth goal of the game like you just won the World Cup in overtime. That’s what makes people ( and those excusing it ) look like a fucking morons

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So it's strategically beneficial to run up the score?

Fucking run it up then.

Buncha whiners.

As has been mentioned numerous times already it’s really not about running up the score. It’s about celebrating the ninth goal of the game like you just won the World Cup in overtime. That’s what makes people ( and those excusing it ) look like a fucking morons

:lol: :lol:

I love how angry people are getting over this. RAGE ON BROTHER

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FARVEFAN is EXPERT in ball handleing, surprised he hasnt blessed us with his JEANUS oinion????

i thought that since WE we're "MURICA", we didnt care about soccer???

Maybe this Meghan Rapone could give us he INSIDE INFO on the LEZBO hotspots of BRIDGEPORT! Or are we calling it "rateville" NOW?? ???? lol


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badrogue17 wrote:
GoldenJet wrote:
So it's strategically beneficial to run up the score?

Fucking run it up then.

Buncha whiners.

As has been mentioned numerous times already it’s really not about running up the score. It’s about celebrating the ninth goal of the game like you just won the World Cup in overtime. That’s what makes people ( and those excusing it ) look like a fucking morons

:lol: :lol:

I love how angry people are getting over this. RAGE ON BROTHER


Running up the score is dropping the 2nd nuke on Japan in WWII, Thailand will be fine.


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Fuck em...remember Pearl Harbor...and Nam

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You can't complain about culture coarsening while simultaneously viewing everything through a Trump supporter's eyes and rhetoric.


Who are you talking to?

Being capable to understand where the other guy is coming from isn't "seeing everything through his eyes". You know that though. It just feels good for you to judge people and call them "pieces of shit" for not sharing your politics.

I'm not judging you. But I think you know for a fact that referring to the players as dykes is just as much "coarsening of the culture" as celebrating a goal is. You're not consistent on these things. You defend everything that conservatives/trump supporters would defend and attack everything they attack. This is simply plainly obvious just from observation. It's not a judgment. I never called you a piece of shit.


Well, a few things here. First I didn't call her a dyke. I said she did a dyke dance. But I'm not going to try to parse the difference. I think she is an out dyke and makes no bones about it. I'm sure you know I don't care about who she sleeps with.

Second, engaging in coarse behavior in this forum is much different than doing so in public, let alone on a world stage.

Third, I don't think Trump supporters and Conservatives are equivalent. Some Conservatives support Trump. Many do not. And as for my "defenses" of Trump supporters, I simply don't consider 60 million of my countrymen deplorable for having different politics than I do. Beyond that, I posted negatively about Trump in this very thread, but you don't notice it because it doesn't fit the narrative you are cooking up.

Finally, I didn't say you called me a piece of shit, but you have used that term for others with whom you have political disagreement. You want your views to prevail in the public square as much as anyone.

And one last thing. I'm not angry about athletes acting like assholes. I pretty much expect it.

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I disagree with KD on a lot of political things but have never thought about calling him a piece of shit. Why do you suppose that is?

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I disagree with KD on a lot of political things but have never thought about calling him a piece of shit. Why do you suppose that is?


I don't know.

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I disagree with KD on a lot of political things but have never thought about calling him a piece of shit. Why do you suppose that is?


I don't know.

I think it’s probably because he has political principles that extend beyond “be an asshole to anyone I don’t like and then lie about it when called on it”.

I’d say the same about you. We may disagree on what your political principles you hold but I do believe you have them and you’re not just acting like an asshole for the sake of cruelty.

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I disagree with KD on a lot of political things but have never thought about calling him a piece of shit. Why do you suppose that is?


I don't know.

I think it’s probably because he has political principles that extend beyond “be an asshole to anyone I don’t like and then lie about it when called on it”.

I’d say the same about you. We may disagree on what your political principles you hold but I do believe you have them and you’re not just acting like an asshole for the sake of cruelty.



See that's just it. I'm unconvinced that Donald Trump is "cruel for the sake of being cruel." I'm told that every night from various sources. For example, the constant repetition about "babies in cages". But the same people who are so acutely aware of Donald Trump's cruelty never once mentioned it when Obama housed children at Fort Sill and refused access to the media.

This has nothing to do with me liking Donald Trump or supporting his politics. I've never met the man. So I'm relying on others to tell me about him just as I relied on others to tell me about every other president. And I think it's pretty clear that many of those who are supposed to be informing us, are clearly biased. They don't like that this guy got elected. And they want him out.

I simply consider that more dangerous than anything I might imagine Trump has done. That is, if we want our nation to continue in the form it has for 200+ years. Now, if the majority of us don't want that, I don't have much choice but to go along. Maybe the USA needs to be deconstructed. I'm open minded.

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AP FACT CHECK: Trump tries to pin child separations on Obama

By CALVIN WOODWARD and NOMAAN MERCHANTApril 9, 2019


WASHINGTON (AP) — President Donald Trump is wholly mispresenting the immigration detention policy he introduced that forced migrant children from their parents at the border. “President Obama had child separation,” Trump said Tuesday. “I’m the one that stopped it.” In fact, he stopped — or at least suspended — family separations that spiked as a result of his own “zero-tolerance” policy. A look at his remarks to reporters before meeting Egyptian President Abdel-Fatah el-Sissi:

TRUMP on family separations: “President Obama had the law. We changed the law, and I think the press should accurately report it but of course they won’t.”


THE FACTS: This is false. Trump did not achieve any change in the law.

Operating under the same immigration laws as Barack Obama, Trump instituted a zero-tolerance policy aimed at detaining everyone who was caught crossing the border illegally and criminally prosecuting all the adults.

The policy meant adults were taken to court for criminal proceedings and their children were separated and sent into the care of the Health and Human Services Department. In the face of a public uproar, Trump suspended most separations in June. About 2,400 children were taken from parents at the height of the separations. During the Obama administration and before Trump’s zero-tolerance policy was introduced, migrant families caught illegally entering the U.S. were usually referred for civil deportation proceedings, not requiring separation, unless they were known to have a criminal record.

Trump repeatedly but without specifics rails against a “Democrat” law that he wrongly claims to have changed. He appears to be referring to one that passed unanimously in Congress and was signed by Republican President George W. Bush. It was focused on freeing and otherwise helping children who come to the border without a parent or guardian and does not call for family separation.

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TRUMP: “Just so you understand, President Obama separated the children.”

THE FACTS: Not in widespread fashion. Then and now, immigration officials may take a child from a parent in certain cases, such as serious criminal charges against a parent, concerns over the health and welfare of a child or medical concerns. The Obama administration also contended with a surge of minors who came to the border without parents and were held in short-term Border Patrol detention.

It did not seek to criminally prosecute all who crossed the border illegally, without regard to whether those who were caught had committed crimes other than illegal entry.

Family separations were the exception before Trump made them the rule.

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TRUMP on family separations: “Once you don’t have it, that’s why you see many more people coming. They’re coming like it’s a picnic, because ‘let’s go to Disneyland.’”

THE FACTS: It’s not been proved that people are discouraged from coming to the U.S. when they know their children will be taken from them if they are caught.

Apprehensions did fall last summer, after the June suspension of separations, but they decline most summers because of the extreme heat in much of Mexico and the border region.

U.S. Customs and Border Protection officials announced on Tuesday that they apprehended about 53,000 parents and children at the southern border in March. The officials declined to answer a question about whether they believed family separation was an effective deterrent.

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 12, 2019 5:26 pm 
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Regardless, putting one kid in a cage is bad enough. I believe this issue become public in 2016? I dunno. Again with the "why weren't you outraged about things you had no idea about?" line of debate.

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I hadn't seen much about this until this afternoon. Having seen it now, I'm kinda surprised that a Thai player didn't go for an American knee for all the same bullshit reasons supporters like Sarah Spain are out there spewing. (Edit: they were pumped up, under pressure for months, worried about goal differential, b.s., etc.)

This was more than running up the score and fist pumps and a few laughs after a goal. I really hope that the Swedes eliminate their asses again.

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USWNT moving meters! Maybe they should get paid more since nobody gives a shit about the men, win or lose.


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Regardless, putting one kid in a cage is bad enough. I believe this issue become public in 2016? I dunno. Again with the "why weren't you outraged about things you had no idea about?" line of debate.



That isn't the question. I don't expect you to have been outraged by something you didn't know about. The question is, why didn't you know about it?

Anyway, let's not muddy up the Douchebagging of the USWNT. There are plenty of threads for us to discuss Trump, the media, etc.

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