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Was Disco Sucks even a movement beyond Dahl.

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I was a big Steve and Garry fan back in the day, too. But let's not pretend they weren't trafficking in racial stereotypes. Everybody was, black and white. It was a different time. To look at it through the prism of 2019 doesn't make sense.



I wouldn't deny that. I'm just saying that "Disco Sucks" wasn't specifically anti anything other than the music.

And I wouldn't argue that many guys in Loop shirts wouldn't have also said, "HEY burrito". I'm just saying that "Disco Sucks" wasn't an outlet for that.

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Was Disco Sucks even a movement beyond Dahl.


Thanks to mainstream cornball songs like Disco Duck, yeah.

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pretty sure Dahl/Sox fans just hated disco and wanted to participate in a nutty event. Don't think they were concerned with the non heteronormative affectations of Barry Gibb.


In an interesting twist, a disco icon like Travolta was held out as hyper hetero while being closeted gay while the Gibbs were considered gay while actually being hyper hetero.

While interesting, I just think this is all a big nothing.


I hadn't thought about that, and yeah it's hilarious.

But this is a nice diversion from the politics section today.


I do think its important to get history straight while the people who lived it are still around. As you can see, the new wave of critics are not necessarily going to present it with fidelity to objective truth.

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There was always room for everyone in rock.

Look at the top disco performers and most of them both had a beginning in rock and a return to it after the fad. Look at the top rock performers of the era and most of them delved into disco. It doesn't seem like the genres were easily differentiated. I found it utterly confusing as a single digit aged kid. The only difference seemed to me that disco people sang into long white mircophones and the lyrics were never drowned out by the music.

Isn't disco just soft rock? If we were looking at the music family tree, wouldn't disco be branched from rock, if it had an independent branch from it at all.

Here is a point the DD critics seem to be forgetting, all of those otherwise disenfranchised groups they are retroactively trying to defend were entirely franchised into rock and certainly so by 1980.


What you're failing to appreciate is that what you refer to as disco, for us was rooted in Soul, Philly Soul amd as alluded to above, Funk music that stretched back to the sixties and before. Black artists of that genre had little to do with rock music acceptable to a guy like Dahl. Before or after disco left the main stream and cheesy tv shows.


My guess is that funk looked at disco the same way rock did.


Nope. George Clinton and Bootsy Collins loved to party. Plus in part it all drew on one commonality, James Brown and the JBs.


I'm a music moron.

What I know is that driving around with the windows down on a hot summer day I can confidently turn up the volume when Clinton comes on but have to roll up the windows to groove out on ABBA.

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I do think its important to get history straight while the people who lived it are still around. As you can see, the new wave of critics are not necessarily going to present it with fidelity to objective truth.


I think that's the most interesting part of this. I lived through it and I can honestly say that neither I nor any of my friends saw "Disco Sucks" as an anti-gay, anti-black, or anti-Latino statement of any kind.

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I was a big Steve and Garry fan back in the day, too. But let's not pretend they weren't trafficking in racial stereotypes. Everybody was, black and white. It was a different time. To look at it through the prism of 2019 doesn't make sense.



I wouldn't deny that. I'm just saying that "Disco Sucks" wasn't specifically anti anything other than the music.

And I wouldn't argue that many guys in Loop shirts wouldn't have also said, "HEY burrito". I'm just saying that "Disco Sucks" wasn't an outlet for that.


I tend to think people "got" Steve and Garry on different levels. I certainly know there were people in my neighborhood who got them on a different level than i did.

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Telegram Sam wrote:
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I was a big Steve and Garry fan back in the day, too. But let's not pretend they weren't trafficking in racial stereotypes. Everybody was, black and white. It was a different time. To look at it through the prism of 2019 doesn't make sense.



I wouldn't deny that. I'm just saying that "Disco Sucks" wasn't specifically anti anything other than the music.

And I wouldn't argue that many guys in Loop shirts wouldn't have also said, "HEY burrito". I'm just saying that "Disco Sucks" wasn't an outlet for that.


I tend to think people "got" Steve and Garry on different levels. I certainly know there were people in my neighborhood who got them on a different level than i did.


How so?

I'll give you an example of what I mean. Dahl's character, Antnee DiGiovanni certainly wasn't gay, but I had the feeling he frequented discos and cranked "Stayin' Alive" out of the t-tops of his Trans Am.

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
Telegram Sam wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
Telegram Sam wrote:
I was a big Steve and Garry fan back in the day, too. But let's not pretend they weren't trafficking in racial stereotypes. Everybody was, black and white. It was a different time. To look at it through the prism of 2019 doesn't make sense.



I wouldn't deny that. I'm just saying that "Disco Sucks" wasn't specifically anti anything other than the music.

And I wouldn't argue that many guys in Loop shirts wouldn't have also said, "HEY burrito". I'm just saying that "Disco Sucks" wasn't an outlet for that.


I tend to think people "got" Steve and Garry on different levels. I certainly know there were people in my neighborhood who got them on a different level than i did.


How so?

I'll give you an example of what I mean. Dahl's character, Antnee DiGiovanni certainly wasn't gay, but I had the feeling he frequented discos and cranked "Stayin' Alive" out of the t-tops of his Trans Am.


You know where I grew up. You know exactly what i mean. My neighborhood friends weren't whiling away the hours reading Samuel Becket and Joseph Heller.

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You know where grew up. You know exactly what i mean. My neighborhood friends weren't whiling away the hours reading Samuel Becket and Joseph Heller.


:lol: I'm still not really clear what you're getting at here. That Dahl's audience of teenage boys was crude? I agree.

I'm also not arguing that the show didn't indulge in gay stereotypes. Didn't he have a Quentin Crisp character? It also seemed that Meier played the Cliff character as gay.

I'm just saying that Disco Sucks never struck me as being overtly anti-gay or anti-black/Latino.

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You know where grew up. You know exactly what i mean. My neighborhood friends weren't whiling away the hours reading Samuel Becket and Joseph Heller.


:lol: I'm still not really clear what you're getting at here. That Dahl's audience of teenage boys was crude? I agree.

I'm also not arguing that the show didn't indulge in gay stereotypes. Didn't he have a Quentin Crisp character? It also seemed that Meier played the Cliff character as gay.

I'm just saying that Disco Sucks never struck me as being overtly anti-gay or anti-black/Latino.


I am saying that I just read it as a comedic radio show. Other people read it a different way.

You have to remember where we are. You're talking to people who get shit like this.

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You know where grew up. You know exactly what i mean. My neighborhood friends weren't whiling away the hours reading Samuel Becket and Joseph Heller.


:lol: I'm still not really clear what you're getting at here. That Dahl's audience of teenage boys was crude? I agree.

I'm also not arguing that the show didn't indulge in gay stereotypes. Didn't he have a Quentin Crisp character? It also seemed that Meier played the Cliff character as gay.

I'm just saying that Disco Sucks never struck me as being overtly anti-gay or anti-black/Latino.


I am saying that I just read it as a comedic radio show. Other people read it a different way.

You have to remember where we are. You're talking to people who get shit like this.


Oh, I can understand Regular Reader getting a bad vibe from a bunch of greasy goons in UFO t-shirts even if they never opened their mouths. :lol:

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Maybe Steve Dahl just loved Virginia.

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
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You know where grew up. You know exactly what i mean. My neighborhood friends weren't whiling away the hours reading Samuel Becket and Joseph Heller.


:lol: I'm still not really clear what you're getting at here. That Dahl's audience of teenage boys was crude? I agree.

I'm also not arguing that the show didn't indulge in gay stereotypes. Didn't he have a Quentin Crisp character? It also seemed that Meier played the Cliff character as gay.

I'm just saying that Disco Sucks never struck me as being overtly anti-gay or anti-black/Latino.


I am saying that I just read it as a comedic radio show. Other people read it a different way.

You have to remember where we are. You're talking to people who get shit like this.


Oh, I can understand Regular Reader getting a bad vibe from a bunch of greasy goons in UFO t-shirts even if they never opened their mouths. :lol:


He should walk across to the other side of the street when he sees those teenagers

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
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You know where grew up. You know exactly what i mean. My neighborhood friends weren't whiling away the hours reading Samuel Becket and Joseph Heller.


:lol: I'm still not really clear what you're getting at here. That Dahl's audience of teenage boys was crude? I agree.

I'm also not arguing that the show didn't indulge in gay stereotypes. Didn't he have a Quentin Crisp character? It also seemed that Meier played the Cliff character as gay.

I'm just saying that Disco Sucks never struck me as being overtly anti-gay or anti-black/Latino.


I am saying that I just read it as a comedic radio show. Other people read it a different way.

You have to remember where we are. You're talking to people who get shit like this.


Oh, I can understand Regular Reader getting a bad vibe from a bunch of greasy goons in UFO t-shirts even if they never opened their mouths. :lol:


He should walk across to the other side of the street when he sees those teenagers


Only did that on the 2-3 times I dared to venture alone into Bridgeport as a kid. And I never dared to go into Hegewisch or Mt. Greenwood. :lol:

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Regular Reader wrote:
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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
Telegram Sam wrote:
You know where grew up. You know exactly what i mean. My neighborhood friends weren't whiling away the hours reading Samuel Becket and Joseph Heller.


:lol: I'm still not really clear what you're getting at here. That Dahl's audience of teenage boys was crude? I agree.

I'm also not arguing that the show didn't indulge in gay stereotypes. Didn't he have a Quentin Crisp character? It also seemed that Meier played the Cliff character as gay.

I'm just saying that Disco Sucks never struck me as being overtly anti-gay or anti-black/Latino.


I am saying that I just read it as a comedic radio show. Other people read it a different way.

You have to remember where we are. You're talking to people who get shit like this.


Oh, I can understand Regular Reader getting a bad vibe from a bunch of greasy goons in UFO t-shirts even if they never opened their mouths. :lol:


He should walk across to the other side of the street when he sees those teenagers


Only did that on the 2-3 times I dared to venture alone into Bridgeport as a kid. And I never dared to go into Hegewisch or Mt. Greenwood. :lol:


We've changed RR. We love everyone. Even the gays.

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He should walk across to the other side of the street when he sees those teenagers


Only did that on the 2-3 times I dared to venture alone into Bridgeport as a kid. And I never dared to go into Hegewisch or Mt. Greenwood. :lol:


We've changed RR. We love everyone. Even the gays.


Yeah. 5-year-old Terry's Peeps would have thrown a rock at you.

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5-year-old Terry's Peeps is on the table as a mult, btw.

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5-year-old Terry's Peeps is on the table as a mult, btw.


May be more interesting than the original.

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5-year-old Terry's Peeps is on the table as a mult, btw.


May be more interesting than the original.


Naah. Well, maybe...

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I see that Peeps. Plus the burgeoning Mexican, Chinese and lesbian neighbors have provided a nice windfall to the old residents.

Money talked!

And if his older brothers were around, I don't doubt Peeps and the rock. But I won't hold that against him decades later. :lol:

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5-year-old Terry's Peeps is on the table as a mult, btw.


May be more interesting than the original.


Probably

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5-year-old Terry's Peeps is on the table as a mult, btw.


May be more interesting than the original.


Probably

I imagine Mr. and Mrs. Peeps had to have a lot of consternation when five-year-old Peeps was sent home from kindergarten with a note from the teacher asking why he tried to take six or seven other students and start his own kindergarten class

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I imagine Mr. and Mrs. Peeps had to have a lot of consternation when five-year-old Peeps was sent home from kindergarten with a note from the teacher asking why he tried to take six or seven other students and start his own kindergarten class


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Am I fundamentally misunderstanding disco?

I don't consider its genesis in gay or black communities and certainly not Latin.


Like everything, it got mainstreamed into cheesy white guys, but it grew out of all that heavily orchestrated Philly soul.

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Is there a rural gay culture?

http://nymag.com/scienceofus/2016/12/wh ... other.html

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5-year-old Terry's Peeps is on the table as a mult, btw.


May be more interesting than the original.


Probably

I imagine Mr. and Mrs. Peeps had to have a lot of consternation when five-year-old Peeps was sent home from kindergarten with a note from the teacher asking why he tried to take six or seven other students and start his own kindergarten class

:lol: :lol: :lol:

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