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6 ER in his last 8 starts. Rain fucked his groove up tonight. Could be Cy Young. America was just a year early.

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A shame the front office is so awful that they'll waste special seasons from Giolito, Anderson, and Moncada.

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Career year, sign of things to come, or is reality somewhere between 2019 and 2018? I think the third option is the most likely one.


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A shame the front office is so awful that they'll waste special seasons from Giolito, Anderson, and Moncada.

+ Eloy. He's getting there.


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Lucas has but nothing short of amazing the last six weeks or so. As much as I loved all those guys from 2005, I haven't had this much fun watching a pitcher dominate since Loaiza in 2001. Most of these hitters don't stand a chance against him the way he is throwing right now.

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Giolito definitely is on a special run. Nats fans are pissed.

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Lucas has but nothing short of amazing the last six weeks or so. As much as I loved all those guys from 2005, I haven't had this much fun watching a pitcher dominate since Loaiza in 2001. Most of these hitters don't stand a chance against him the way he is throwing right now.

That would be 2003

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Some Yankees are just wusses.


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What a pussy.

He wasn't trying to hit you, fatty.

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Interesting stats . . .

Lucas Giolito’s Unprecedented Shift From Horrible to Unhittable

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In 2018, Lucas Giolito of the Chicago White Sox did something no pitcher had done in a decade: He recorded an earned run average higher than 6 in more than 170 innings of work.

In 2019, Giolito is doing something no pitcher has ever done immediately after ending a season with an E.R.A. over 6 — turning himself into a legitimate ace.

Heading into Friday’s start against the Yankees, Giolito, 24, has been nothing short of sensational. He has gone from being the worst full-time starter in the majors last season — with a 6.13 E.R.A. and an American League-leading 90 walks — to dominating with a 9-1 record, 2.28 E.R.A., 89 strikeouts and just 22 walks in 75 innings.

People have started to notice: Last week he was named the A.L.’s pitcher of the month for May, and some are starting to wonder if he should start the All-Star Game.

“It’s fun to finally be able to do what I know I’ve been capable of,” Giolito recently told reporters. “I just haven’t shown it.”

There was reason to believe Giolito could be in for a serious improvement. Two years before his horrific 2018 season, he was named the No. 3 prospect in baseball by both MLB.com and Baseball Prospectus. (Baseball America had him at No. 5.)

And though he also struggled in a short major league stint with the Washington Nationals in 2016 — a hiccup that may have led to the decision to include him in a trade for Adam Eaton — the raw potential was always there.

The extent of his turnaround in just one season, however, is shocking.

Since 1901, there have been just 27 seasons in which a pitcher threw at least 170 innings and had an E.R.A. higher than 6. Of the 26 such examples before Giolito, only two, Darryl Kile and Mike Hampton, managed E.R.A.s of less than 4 the next season. And both of them owed their turnarounds to being traded away from the Colorado Rockies and their thin-air park.

Mike Hampton had a brutal 2002 season for the Colorado Rockies, with a 6.15 E.R.A. and a record of 7-15. He improved drastically the next season, after a trade to Atlanta.

Giolito has remained with the same team, and his improvement still has far surpassed what either of those veteran pitchers did.

When you adjust the pitchers’ E.R.A.s for the time period they played in and for their home park, Giolito has gone from being 31 percent worse than the league average in 2018 to being 98 percent better than the league average in 2019 — a swing of 129 percentage points. Hampton, who was traded to Atlanta before the 2003 season, improved by 34 percentage points. Kile, who was traded to St. Louis before the 2000 season, improved by 32.

Of the 24 other pitchers on this ignominious list, 17 remained starters the next season, six became relievers, and one left baseball. As expected, because of regression to the mean after such a terrible season, all 17 of those remaining starters saw at least a mild improvement in E.R.A. the next season, with an average jump of 20 percentage points against the league average.

Although none of them came close to matching Giolito’s single-season turnaround, a few serve as precedents for a young pitcher surviving a terrible season and eventually becoming a star.

Javier Vazquez recovered from a 6.06 E.R.A. in 1998 — when he was just 21 — and became an All-Star six seasons later. But the player that the White Sox are undoubtedly hoping Giolito will most closely emulate is Chris Carpenter.

At 25, Carpenter bottomed out with a 6.26 E.R.A. over 175⅓ innings, running his career E.R.A. up to 5.04. Despite having been a first-round draft pick and having reached as high as No. 27 in Baseball America’s prospect rankings, the right-hander ended up on a fairly short leash. After two more mediocre seasons and a severe shoulder injury, he was released by the Blue Jays.

Before a terrific run as an ace for the St. Louis Cardinals, Chris Carpenter was a terrible young pitcher for the Toronto Blue Jays.

That was a big mistake. Carpenter spent 2003 rehabilitating his throwing arm — a process that involved a second operation — and in 2004 he began an incredible run for St. Louis. In nine seasons with the Cardinals — three of which were largely lost to injury — he went 95-44 with a 3.07 E.R.A. He won the Cy Young Award in 2005 and placed among the top three in the award voting for two other seasons. And, perhaps most important, he went 3-0 in World Series starts, helping the team win two championships.

While Vazquez’s struggles were most likely a result of age, and Carpenter struggled with health and consistency, Giolito has said his problem was overthinking things. He solved that, he said, with a new pitching motion that drastically improved his control.

“Just more compact, athletic,” Giolito has said of his updated mechanics. “Arm action’s shorter, so less time for error. So like, when my front foot strikes the ground and the power and the weight transfers, my arm is in a more ready-to-fire position than it has been in the past.”

It’s working. His average fastball is up to 94.6 miles per hour, according to Fangraphs, an improvement of nearly 2 m.p.h. over last season. And in a sign that Giolito is becoming a complete pitcher, his most effective pitch has been his changeup, which had never been a particularly good weapon for him in the past.

In truth, Giolito’s eight consecutive excellent starts are noteworthy, but there is no way of knowing if he can keep the run going. His performance going forward will be crucial for the White Sox, a team that is making the old Boston Braves saying of “Spahn and Sain and pray for rain” — implying the club had only two good starters — seem luxurious. Beyond Giolito, the White Sox’ three most-used starters have E.R.A.s of 6.21, 6.28 and 7.00.

The good news, it would seem, is that Giolito can give them advice on how to endure such terrible seasons and come out stronger on the other side.


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I thought he was definitely gonna be better than last year, but had no idea this good. I think overall he could be an Ace or a really good #2 pitcher in the rotation.


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I'm surprised at myself how bad I wanted this game. Just for Giolito's run at 20 games


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Funny part is Giolito having a career year and White Sox have zero chance of making the playoffs according to fangraphs.


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Funny part is Giolito having a career year and White Sox have zero chance of making the playoffs according to fangraphs.


When ya get a career year out of a few guys,( McCann, Anderson, Giolito) you gotta capitalize like Cubs did 2016.

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Funny part is Giolito having a career year and White Sox have zero chance of making the playoffs according to fangraphs.

Career year compared to his one other full season?

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Funny part is Giolito having a career year and White Sox have zero chance of making the playoffs according to fangraphs.

Career year compared to his one other full season?



Some guys have a career year their rookie year( Beckham) others in year two( Addy) I don't think giolito will have a year this great again..though I think he'll be real good going forward.

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Statistics facing teams with awful offenses (current runs scored of 360 or less...only 8 teams in MLB): 8 Starts, 7-0, 51.2 innings, 1.21 ERA

Statics facing teams with average and better offneses (current runs scored of 361 or more): 8 Starts, 4-2, 44.1 innings, 4.49 ERA

He must be elated that 8 of his 16 starts have come against the Indians, Royals and Blue Jays. If only we could all be so lucky at our jobs.

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Funny part is Giolito having a career year and White Sox have zero chance of making the playoffs according to fangraphs.

Career year compared to his one other full season?



Some guys have a career year their rookie year( Beckham) others in year two( Addy) I don't think giolito will have a year this great again..though I think he'll be real good going forward.

Maybe. It is still kind of dumb to say it was his career year when that only means he surpassed his rookie year.

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IMU wrote:

Statics facing teams with average and better offneses (current runs scored of 361 or more): 8 Starts, 4-2, 44.1 innings, 4.49 ERA

He must be elated that 8 of his 16 starts have come against the Indians, Royals and Blue Jays. If only we could all be so lucky at our jobs.


That's a winning percentage of 66.7%.

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The average Hall of Fame pitcher has a .589 winning percentage.


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Hall of Fame is going to have a lot of new entrants if we are letting in guys with 6 career starts. The Good Old Boys might not like that.

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IMU wrote:
Statistics facing teams with awful offenses (current runs scored of 360 or less...only 8 teams in MLB): 8 Starts, 7-0, 51.2 innings, 1.21 ERA

Statics facing teams with average and better offneses (current runs scored of 361 or more): 8 Starts, 4-2, 44.1 innings, 4.49 ERA

He must be elated that 8 of his 16 starts have come against the Indians, Royals and Blue Jays. If only we could all be so lucky at our jobs.

So you're saying he beats good teams and he beats bad teams? That seems pretty good.

CG SO against the Astros came near the beginning of this run too.

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IMU wrote:
Hall of Fame is going to have a lot of new entrants if we are letting in guys with 6 career starts. The Good Old Boys might not like that.

But you suggested last year that Q was a HoF caliber pitcher based on 1.5 seasons with the Cubs.

Anyway, as FF states, Giolito has been beating good teams and bad teams.

My advice--as a friend--to you is to do what Giolito's opponents have been doing: taking the L.


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Hall of Fame is going to have a lot of new entrants if we are letting in guys with 6 career starts. The Good Old Boys might not like that.

But you suggested last year that Q was a HoF caliber pitcher based on 1.5 seasons with the Cubs.

Anyway, as FF states, Giolito has been beating good teams and bad teams.

My advice--as a friend--to you is to do what Giolito's opponents have been doing: taking the L.

I was arguing that Jose Quintana is a winning pitcher on any team that isn't one of the basement teams in MLB. He remains over .500 with the Cubs. He needs to do better this season. Everyone knows it. But he isn't some outright failure. That is an overreaction based on the potential of what was given up. The trade is still years away from being judged.

Giolito's season will average out in the second half. He may be a good pitcher. He is not a great pitcher.

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IMU wrote:
Statistics facing teams with awful offenses (current runs scored of 360 or less...only 8 teams in MLB): 8 Starts, 7-0, 51.2 innings, 1.21 ERA

Statics facing teams with average and better offneses (current runs scored of 361 or more): 8 Starts, 4-2, 44.1 innings, 4.49 ERA

He must be elated that 8 of his 16 starts have come against the Indians, Royals and Blue Jays. If only we could all be so lucky at our jobs.

So you're saying he beats good teams and he beats bad teams? That seems pretty good.

CG SO against the Astros came near the beginning of this run too.
Shut down the Yankees too, who at the time had the highest OPS in baseball.

Next, IMU is going to tell us that Abreu and Rizzo hit more homers off of pitchers with and ERA in the 4's & 5's, than they do against guys with ERAs in the 3's.

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IMU wrote:
Statistics facing teams with awful offenses (current runs scored of 360 or less...only 8 teams in MLB): 8 Starts, 7-0, 51.2 innings, 1.21 ERA

Statics facing teams with average and better offneses (current runs scored of 361 or more): 8 Starts, 4-2, 44.1 innings, 4.49 ERA

He must be elated that 8 of his 16 starts have come against the Indians, Royals and Blue Jays. If only we could all be so lucky at our jobs.

So you're saying he beats good teams and he beats bad teams? That seems pretty good.

CG SO against the Astros came near the beginning of this run too.


Winning Pitcher Lucas Giolito.

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Terry's Peeps wrote:
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IMU wrote:
Statistics facing teams with awful offenses (current runs scored of 360 or less...only 8 teams in MLB): 8 Starts, 7-0, 51.2 innings, 1.21 ERA

Statics facing teams with average and better offneses (current runs scored of 361 or more): 8 Starts, 4-2, 44.1 innings, 4.49 ERA

He must be elated that 8 of his 16 starts have come against the Indians, Royals and Blue Jays. If only we could all be so lucky at our jobs.

So you're saying he beats good teams and he beats bad teams? That seems pretty good.

CG SO against the Astros came near the beginning of this run too.


Winning Pitcher Lucas Giolito.

The starts against the Astros and Twins are factored in. To still have a 4.49 ERA over 44 innings while 14 of those were shutout innings...ouch!

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IMU wrote:
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IMU wrote:
Statistics facing teams with awful offenses (current runs scored of 360 or less...only 8 teams in MLB): 8 Starts, 7-0, 51.2 innings, 1.21 ERA

Statics facing teams with average and better offneses (current runs scored of 361 or more): 8 Starts, 4-2, 44.1 innings, 4.49 ERA

He must be elated that 8 of his 16 starts have come against the Indians, Royals and Blue Jays. If only we could all be so lucky at our jobs.

So you're saying he beats good teams and he beats bad teams? That seems pretty good.

CG SO against the Astros came near the beginning of this run too.


Winning Pitcher Lucas Giolito.

The starts against the Astros and Twins are factored in. To still have a 4.49 ERA over 44 innings while 14 of those were shutout innings...ouch!

I like how if you try to cherry pick the very worst starts of Giolito's season it's still way better than Quintana's overall season :lol:

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