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My guy Donovan Mitchell is changing hearts and minds out there. They’re gonna make a deep run next season if healthy.

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My guy Donovan Mitchell is changing hearts and minds out there. They’re gonna make a deep run next season if healthy.


Getting Conley certainly takes the ball out of his hands some. Which helps.

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Should help a ton. Conley is an improvement over Rubio in every facet. I think we’re done with this nonsense:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=TjiU3UZRz_o

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My guy Donovan Mitchell is changing hearts and minds out there. They’re gonna make a deep run next season if healthy.


Getting Conley certainly takes the ball out of his hands some. Which helps.


Yep.

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 Post subject: Re: 2019 NBA OffSeason
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Should help a ton. Conley is an improvement over Rubio in every facet. I think we’re done with this nonsense:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=TjiU3UZRz_o


That actually was a helluva strategy and it worked. If Mitchell (your guy) didn't stink so much that series they would have won at least 2 more games. Harden didn't do Jack that series.

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 Post subject: Re: 2019 NBA OffSeason
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Should help a ton. Conley is an improvement over Rubio in every facet. I think we’re done with this nonsense:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=TjiU3UZRz_o


That actually was a helluva strategy and it worked. If Mitchell (your guy) didn't stink so much that series they would have won at least 2 more games. Harden didn't do Jack that series.

It didn’t work. Harden torched the shit out of Rubio the first two games.

If Mitchell wasn’t asked to do prime Kobe workloads in his 2nd season he would have probably played much better. Conley helps a ton with that. You’ll see this year.

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 Post subject: Re: 2019 NBA OffSeason
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Should help a ton. Conley is an improvement over Rubio in every facet. I think we’re done with this nonsense:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=TjiU3UZRz_o


That actually was a helluva strategy and it worked. If Mitchell (your guy) didn't stink so much that series they would have won at least 2 more games. Harden didn't do Jack that series.

It didn’t work. Harden torched the shit out of Rubio the first two games.

If Mitchell wasn’t asked to do prime Kobe workloads in his 2nd season he would have probably played much better. Conley helps a ton with that. You’ll see this year.


Did you watch series? Doubt it. They didn't implement that strategy during the first couple of games. It actually did work. Harden shot terribly that series.

You're making excuses again. Mitchell is their second best player. He shoots a lot because he chooses to shoot a lot.

He needs to do more than be a volume scorer in order to be the sort of player you want him to be.

Right now he is a below average shooter with below avg dribbling and passing skills.

His best attribute is as a finisher at the rim. He is athletic and he has long arms.

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 Post subject: Re: 2019 NBA OffSeason
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Yes I watched the series and yes they did.

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 Post subject: Re: 2019 NBA OffSeason
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Yes I watched the series and yes they did.


James Harden shot 22-50 in the first 2 games of that series.


He shot 36% for the series overall.

He played poorly as I previously stated.

https://www.espn.com/nba/player/gamelog ... mes-harden

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 Post subject: Re: 2019 NBA OffSeason
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Yes I watched the series and yes they did.


James Harden shot 22-50 in the first 2 games of that series.


He shot 36% for the series overall.

He played poorly as I previously stated.

https://www.espn.com/nba/player/gamelog ... mes-harden

Have the rest of the team close to free buckets. That defense led to drive and kicks and open shots for everyone

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 Post subject: Re: 2019 NBA OffSeason
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Yes I watched the series and yes they did.


James Harden shot 22-50 in the first 2 games of that series.


He shot 36% for the series overall.

He played poorly as I previously stated.

https://www.espn.com/nba/player/gamelog ... mes-harden

Have the rest of the team close to free buckets. That defense led to drive and kicks and open shots for everyone


Now you're making up stuff to be right. Those games were closer than they should have been. At least 2 were winnable and had your guy Mitchell played better Utah wins.

Mitchell shot 32% avg 4 turnovers (ouch!) With 3 assist per game. That's atrocious for a guy projected by you to be the next great thing.


As far as the Harden strategy it worked. They took away his step back and forced him to drive into Gorbert. He shot terribly and I'm certain that his assist to turnover ratio was bad too.


That was a helluva strategy and the numbers back it up.

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 Post subject: Re: 2019 NBA OffSeason
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I already said Mitchell was asked to do more than he was capable of. Conley helps with that. You’ll see this year.

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 Post subject: Re: 2019 NBA OffSeason
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I already said Mitchell was asked to do more than he was capable of. Conley helps with that. You’ll see this year.


Conley can't help with his below avg skill set. We will see.

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 Post subject: Re: 2019 NBA OffSeason
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I already said Mitchell was asked to do more than he was capable of. Conley helps with that. You’ll see this year.


Conley can't help with his below avg skill set. We will see.

We will. Mitchell’s gonna be awesome with Conley.

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 Post subject: Re: 2019 NBA OffSeason
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I already said Mitchell was asked to do more than he was capable of. Conley helps with that. You’ll see this year.


Conley can't help with his below avg skill set. We will see.

We will. Mitchell’s gonna be awesome with Conley.


Hope springs eternal I guess

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 Post subject: Re: 2019 NBA OffSeason
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I already said Mitchell was asked to do more than he was capable of. Conley helps with that. You’ll see this year.


Conley can't help with his below avg skill set. We will see.

We will. Mitchell’s gonna be awesome with Conley.


Hope springs eternal I guess

Vegas considers them a contender as well

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I already said Mitchell was asked to do more than he was capable of. Conley helps with that. You’ll see this year.


Conley can't help with his below avg skill set. We will see.

We will. Mitchell’s gonna be awesome with Conley.


Hope springs eternal I guess

Vegas considers them a contender as well


Top 3 backcourt in the West with Gobert and Ingles as well; definite contender.

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 Post subject: Re: 2019 NBA OffSeason
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I already said Mitchell was asked to do more than he was capable of. Conley helps with that. You’ll see this year.


Conley can't help with his below avg skill set. We will see.

We will. Mitchell’s gonna be awesome with Conley.


Hope springs eternal I guess

Vegas considers them a contender as well


To do what? Make it out the first round. I'm a huge Conley guy but he isn't the same player he was 3-4 years ago.

Mitchell is an inefficient player with terrible shot selection. That isn't going to change. It has nothing to do with what they ask him to do as much as it has to do with who he is as a player.

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I bet he fuckin has :lol:

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Rubio's fun to watch play. Some of the passes Rubio makes, especially his off the dribble passing, are youtube fodder. Not unlike Draymond Green, Rubio's risky passes often end up going the other way.

Conley takes care of the ball much better than Rubio. Conley's consistently among tops in the league in assist to turnover ratio. Rubio had been getting better in that area his last years at Minnesota. Since he's been with Utah Rubio's become a TO liability, dropping below a 2 assist to turnover ratio his first season with the Jazz. He bumped it up to over 2.0 this last season, but that's still below his teammate Joe Ingles by a bit--and well below any season Conley's ever had.

Conley's the better shooter, 38 vs 32 from 3 and similar gaps in 2's and FT's vs Rubio.

At one point Conley was regarded as an elite defensive guard. But this was back when he was sharing the court with Gasol/Zebo/Tayshaun/Tony Allen. Prolly Conley was benefiting from playing on the best defensive lineup in the league. He still rates out on defensive metrics above Rubio in 2019, fwiw.


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Kyrie calling into a Boston radio station under a fake name :lol: :lol: :lol:

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I bet he fuckin has :lol:


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Messed up that after the Celts fleeced the Nets for half their first round picks over the last 6 years the Nets next season might end up with a better team than Boston.


This year Ainge essentially morphed into John Paxson. He overvalued his role players i.e Rozier/Smart and acted as if he had a team of budding All Stars when he really didn't. He should have moved a couple of guys when their value was highest and improved the roster by streamlining his bench. By neglecting to do so he was relegated to overseeing a team consisting of 9 guys that all believed they should be starting and starring. It was a recipe for disaster. Kyrie deserves some of the blame as his leadership skills were absolutely atrocious.

He stunk this year as a leader and he came up small against Milwaukee after playing lights out the first game. He has to own and accept that and if he continues to pass the buck and the blame he will lose a lot of credibility in the locker room and around the league.

I wanted to come back to this because while I've thought Ainge deserved to be ripped as a an asset hoarder for a while, I feel like the media has been jumping on him too much for this past season alone compared to his longer tenure. Not going for Kawhi last year is somewhat understandable to me because people were making the Celtics the favorite regardless and there were legitimate questions about Kawhi's commitment to actually playing anywhere outside of LA.

I still think what he did in 2017 was far more questionable, particularly when Paul George and pre-injury Cousins went for pennies on the dollar. While I'm sympathetic to the notion that Kyrie's attitude can be framed as bad luck or whatever, it was pretty fortuitous the Celtics could even trade for him in the first place after standing pat while George, Butler, and Cousins were moved. Likewise, while I get that Davis' refusal to even consider staying anywhere besides the Lakers may have been unforseen prior to this year's trade deadline, that's also a pretty good demonstration for why it's not wise to idealize and myopically focus on a single trade target for years on end.


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Nets trying to sign their own John Jay :lol:

His fit makes no sense with that roster

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Nets trying to sign their own John Jay :lol:

His fit makes no sense with that roster


:lol:

Who would be KD's Yonder Alonso?

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it would make more sense to me to have FA before the draft

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According to commissioner Adam Silver, the NBA is continuing to move away from the use of the term "owner" to describe those with controlling interest of teams in favor of the terms "Governor of the team" and "alternate Governor."

The change was made due to concerns that the term "owner" can be viewed as racially insensitive in a league where the vast majority of players are African-American and the majority of owners are Caucasian. While the league itself stopped using the term years ago, individual teams are now starting to follow suit;


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stupid.

are they going to do away with the word trade as well?

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Great article on the Kyrie/Russell decision for Brooklyn by Lowe who remains the best to do this

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/270 ... t-decision

Supposedly Brooklyn has already agreed to terms with Kyrie though.

I’m wondering if Brooklyn is trying to trade Russell for whatever they can instead of letting him walk. I haven’t heard much about that angle so maybe it’s not possible but if it is they’d have to consider it.

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He has his max offer. Not really a surprise.

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