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Tim Anderson is an idiot, not a leader, and he’s slipping offensively. Let’s lose the idea that he’s a star or a foundation piece.


Bullshit. He is the best short-stop in the AL and is young. Five tool player with a horse shit manager.

He is having a nice year and has improved a ton, but there is no way he is the best SS in the AL


All right. Maybe he isn't the best but he sure is one of them. I think that his up-side is great.

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He can’t but he did and a lot of great players do have rare fuck ups like that. Problem with Timmy is he fucks up too much still but that’s getting better as is every part of his game. I don’t know about the leader stuff but I think he’s a fine player and a nice part of the core going forward. If he plateaus you look to move on but he’s a plus player without a doubt right now on a good contract.


He can be a plus player, but it's not like this is his first season. He had a great first month. Then he had a sub-.700 OPS in May. This is in line with the .687 and .678 he put up the past two seasons.

Defensive metrics are iffy to me, but he has a negative defensive WAR this year. And he has 14 errors. When I say he isn't foundational, I mean we could find someone else to put up .700 or so OPS and play shortstop at a similar level.

BY not a leader I mean - making stupid mistakes in the field or starting fights over a stupid bat flip in the 3rd inning against the god awful Royals. Great way to get people injured/suspended.

I know he's "young", but this is already his 4th season. Is he really going to get much better?

He seems to be getting better. 2.5 WAR last year and 1.5 already so far this year. I don't think he's as easily replaceable as you think, and again, he's signed to a team friendly extension so he's not going to get replaced any time soon.

He's fine. He gets a little better every year. I used to comp him to Lo Cain offensively because they both started baseball so late in life. It's hard to tell right now whether that chip on his shoulder is a blessing or a curse.


That is a good point. He clearly has a chip on his shoulder and that has to be handled carefully with players. This is where Renteria comes in. From what I am seeing, Renteria acts more like a nice uncle to his players, particularly his Latin players than a manager. I wonder how that goes over with Anderson?

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You mention him not being a "leader". Is that somekind of requirement for a baseball player? I've heard a lot of criticisms for a player before, but I've never heard some guy get criticized for not being a "leader". Please define why you single out Anderson out for not being a leader and why some of the others on the team are not targeted as lacking whatever "leadership" is.


It's because he's been reported as a leader. For example, when Machado did not sign he made missed the boat comments, and he was framed as a clubhouse leader.

During the broadcasts, Benetti has referenced him as a leader and a star. I simply do not see it. Leadership to me is not needlessly showing up the Royals, getting suspended for yelling at people, and constantly making stupid mistakes on the field.

I don't think he's a terrible player, but he's a typically Kenny Williams type of player. Just wait until the athlete puts it all together. I would rather have a guy who walks than someone who looks like he can play cornerback.

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You mention him not being a "leader". Is that somekind of requirement for a baseball player? I've heard a lot of criticisms for a player before, but I've never heard some guy get criticized for not being a "leader". Please define why you single out Anderson out for not being a leader and why some of the others on the team are not targeted as lacking whatever "leadership" is.


It's because he's been reported as a leader. For example, when Machado did not sign he made missed the boat comments, and he was framed as a clubhouse leader.

During the broadcasts, Benetti has referenced him as a leader and a star. I simply do not see it. Leadership to me is not needlessly showing up the Royals, getting suspended for yelling at people, and constantly making stupid mistakes on the field.

I don't think he's a terrible player, but he's a typically Kenny Williams type of player. Just wait until the athlete puts it all together. I would rather have a guy who walks than someone who looks like he can play cornerback.[/quote]

Lorenzo Cain didn't start taking walks until he was 30. I know no one wants to hear it, but Anderson is still developing. He's not going to be complete for maybe 3 years, both offensively and defensively.


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He was a late arriver to the game. As crazy as it sounds, he only picked up baseball late in high school so some of his sophistication with the game is delayed.

You can live with a SS with Tim Anderson's production even from last year. He did a lot of great things, some bad but overall was starting ss quality. He is better this year.

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He was a late arriver to the game. As crazy as it sounds, he only picked up baseball late in high school so some of his sophistication with the game is delayed.

You can live with a SS with Tim Anderson's production even from last year. He did a lot of great things, some bad but overall was starting ss quality. He is better this year.

That's why I throw out the Cain comp. iiirc, he started organized ball in junior college. Baseball is unique in it's way above average failure. Being "indoctrinated" at a early age surely helps.


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WaitingforRuffcorn wrote:
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You mention him not being a "leader". Is that somekind of requirement for a baseball player? I've heard a lot of criticisms for a player before, but I've never heard some guy get criticized for not being a "leader". Please define why you single out Anderson out for not being a leader and why some of the others on the team are not targeted as lacking whatever "leadership" is.


It's because he's been reported as a leader. For example, when Machado did not sign he made missed the boat comments, and he was framed as a clubhouse leader.

During the broadcasts, Benetti has referenced him as a leader and a star. I simply do not see it. Leadership to me is not needlessly showing up the Royals, getting suspended for yelling at people, and constantly making stupid mistakes on the field.

I don't think he's a terrible player, but he's a typically Kenny Williams type of player. Just wait until the athlete puts it all together. I would rather have a guy who walks than someone who looks like he can play cornerback.


I kind of like Benetti as an announcer but he isn't always right about things. The shit with the Royals was very much exaggerated. It wasn't anything really. He's got a fuse. Nothing wrong with a player having a fuse or an edginess abut him. That isn't being a "leader" though. It is being a sort of "spark plug" if it can be sort of controlled. He also should not have been suspended. That umpire was stupid how he handled the entire situation.

I frankly cannot see how you continue to run Anderson down? He's having a terrific season and you badger him like he is some scrub lucky to be on a team. The guy hits, hits for power, and is something like 18-19 in stolen bases. Yet you bag on him for the one time he was caught. And I still maintain that was on Renteria for not controlling the game properly.

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He was a late arriver to the game. As crazy as it sounds, he only picked up baseball late in high school so some of his sophistication with the game is delayed.

You can live with a SS with Tim Anderson's production even from last year. He did a lot of great things, some bad but overall was starting ss quality. He is better this year.


That's true. He still plays kind of loose defensively which I think is related to getting a late start in baseball as you mentioned. He looks like a kid who relies on his athleticism for his defense not prescribed fundamental basics of how to play defense. It'll come. He is still very young as a veteran player.

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I kind of like Benetti as an announcer but he isn't always right about things. The shit with the Royals was very much exaggerated. It wasn't anything really. He's got a fuse. Nothing wrong with a player having a fuse or an edginess abut him. That isn't being a "leader" though. It is being a sort of "spark plug" if it can be sort of controlled. He also should not have been suspended. That umpire was stupid how he handled the entire situation.

I frankly cannot see how you continue to run Anderson down? He's having a terrific season and you badger him like he is some scrub lucky to be on a team. The guy hits, hits for power, and is something like 18-19 in stolen bases. Yet you bag on him for the one time he was caught. And I still maintain that was on Renteria for not controlling the game properly.


I just don't think he's a star. And on that particular play he should have tried for third instead of settling for the double then trying to steal. It also pissed me off that he gave Contreras another chance to showboat. Annoying fuck.

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I kind of like Benetti as an announcer but he isn't always right about things. The shit with the Royals was very much exaggerated. It wasn't anything really. He's got a fuse. Nothing wrong with a player having a fuse or an edginess abut him. That isn't being a "leader" though. It is being a sort of "spark plug" if it can be sort of controlled. He also should not have been suspended. That umpire was stupid how he handled the entire situation.

I frankly cannot see how you continue to run Anderson down? He's having a terrific season and you badger him like he is some scrub lucky to be on a team. The guy hits, hits for power, and is something like 18-19 in stolen bases. Yet you bag on him for the one time he was caught. And I still maintain that was on Renteria for not controlling the game properly.


I just don't think he's a star. And on that particular play he should have tried for third instead of settling for the double then trying to steal. It also pissed me off that he gave Contreras another chance to showboat. Annoying fuck.


First of all, I don't think he is a "star" either. Not yet anyway. But he should be an all-star this season and has the potential to be a star down the road. He is very young to be an all-star for cripes sake and is the best short-stop the Sox have had in decades. That is good shit as far as I am concerned.

What did the 3rd base coach do on that? I didn't see the replay. He might have held him up. If he did, then that's on the coach not the player. Besides, the point is that it is the manager and coaching staff that are there to control the game the way that they want to for their own team. YOu can't have it both ways and criticize Anderson for not trying for 3rd base and also criticize him for attempting to steal 3rd. BOTH calls are done by the manager and coach not the player.

But while we are talking about decisions by the manager, what about what Renteria did when they had runners on 2nd and 3rd with one out and Giolitto up? I thought at the time, that he should have pinch-hit for Giolitto. They were down and Giolitto was struggling. A fly ball get them one run closer and a hit makes it anybody's game. Instead, Giolitto strikes out. Also, why did they take the bunt off with two strikes on him? It is a lot easier to bunt a ball than it is to hit a ball. That also was a stupid decision on Renteria's part and why I think he is a bad manager.

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What inning did you want them to take Giolito out? I don't think Ricky is a great manager, but it would help if the front office gave him a roster without 10 AAA or worse caliber players.

I don't think Tim Anderson will ever be a star because he makes too many stupid mistakes and lacks plate discipline. That's all.

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My guy Zack! Of course Reynaldo is getting his ass pounded, though. No surprise there.

Yep and yep.


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If the Sox didnt trade away Tatis Jr they'd be like the Warriors of baseball.


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Cordell just missed a hr.

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If the Sox didnt trade away Tatis Jr they'd be like the Warriors of baseball.

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What inning did you want them to take Giolito out? I don't think Ricky is a great manager, but it would help if the front office gave him a roster without 10 AAA or worse caliber players.

I don't think Tim Anderson will ever be a star because he makes too many stupid mistakes and lacks plate discipline. That's all.


I don't remember the exact inning but it was in the middle of the game and they were down and Giolitto was struggling. IF it were me, I take him out at that point and pinch hit for him. This is the difference between the National and American leagues and that got lost on Rickey in that game. He really is not a good game manager.

Now you are bagging on their roster as being responsible for Rickey stupidity? Pretty weak shit. As for Anderson never being a star, he is closer to being a star than he is to your description of him as a deeply flawed player. You are simply wrong. He is a terrific talent and is getting better.

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My guy Zack! Of course Reynaldo is getting his ass pounded, though. No surprise there.


He didn't get his ass pounded.

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Pick him up, Timmy....

This fatass can throw some heat. Sox can't lay off the high stuff.


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