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I’ve been analyzing the Sox farm system and prospects recently and this team SHOULD dominate the next decade of the 2020s.

I see them winning 3 to 4 pennants and at least 2 World Series Championships.

If they don’t even get to a WS in the next decade then something is really messed up with Sox management.

Let’s check back in 2029 to see if my projections are close or not.


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I’ve been analyzing the Sox farm system and prospects recently and this team SHOULD dominate the next decade of the 2020s.

I see them winning 3 to 4 pennants and at least 2 World Series Championships.

If they don’t even get to a WS in the next decade then something is really messed up with Sox management.

Let’s check back in 2029 to see if my projections are close or not.



Now that Cease is up, with what other pitchers in the minor league system, is going to help accomplish this? I've been keeping track of the minors very closely since the "rebuild" began, and outside of Robert and possibly Madrigal, not sure any others are impact type of players. Although, not sure Madrigal or Vaughn have elite potential.


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One or two guys usually outperforms their expectations.

Quintana, Sale, etc.

Hopefully there are some surprises nobody is focusing on right now.

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[quote="HawaiiYou"]I’ve been analyzing the Sox farm system and prospects recently and this team SHOULD dominate the next decade of the 2020s.

I see them winning 3 to 4 pennants and at least 2 World Series Championships.

If they don’t even get to a WS in the next decade then something is really messed up with Sox management.

Let’s check back in 2029 to see if my projections are close or not.[/quote

I love it when you analyze.


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Let’s check back in 2029 to see if my projections are close or not.

See you in 50 years.

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One or two guys usually outperforms their expectations.

Quintana, Sale, etc.

Hopefully there are some surprises nobody is focusing on right now.



I agree, but the best I see, is a bunch of 4th OFers outside of Basabe and Adolfo(who is always hurt).


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HawaiiYou wrote:
I’ve been analyzing the Sox farm system and prospects recently and this team SHOULD dominate the next decade of the 2020s.

I see them winning 3 to 4 pennants and at least 2 World Series Championships.

If they don’t even get to a WS in the next decade then something is really messed up with Sox management.

Let’s check back in 2029 to see if my projections are close or not.


Let's pump the brakes a little. You can see a playoff appearance from here, but that's about it. In fact, I fear they've gotten career years from Anderson and McCann and are going to have to make up that offense next year via a free agent signing or the continued development of one of their young players.


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Cashman wrote:
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One or two guys usually outperforms their expectations.

Quintana, Sale, etc.

Hopefully there are some surprises nobody is focusing on right now.



I agree, but the best I see, is a bunch of 4th OFers outside of Basabe and Adolfo(who is always hurt).


I know.

It's hoping against hope at this point.

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The White Sox still need quite a bit of help notably with their pitching. And that pitching is not coming from within. This is going to take significant money from Reinsdork and whether he ponies up is a significant question. I have my doubts completely about Reinny opening up his wallet. He is just a cheap ass owner who never gets in front and ponies up. Instead he just stand back and IF some team overachieves he'll try at the last minute to throw some money add the problem and hope it helps. Clearly I hate Reinsdork, one of the worst owners ever in sports history.

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Thank you. At least someone here appreciates my 6 decades of baseball expertise.


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HawaiiYou wrote:
I’ve been analyzing the Sox farm system and prospects recently and this team SHOULD dominate the next decade of the 2020s.

I see them winning 3 to 4 pennants and at least 2 World Series Championships.

If they don’t even get to a WS in the next decade then something is really messed up with Sox management.

Let’s check back in 2029 to see if my projections are close or not.


I love your optimism. But can you tell me what your prospectus is for the pitching staff because I do not see it as being very good.

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Cashman wrote:
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One or two guys usually outperforms their expectations.

Quintana, Sale, etc.

Hopefully there are some surprises nobody is focusing on right now.



I agree, but the best I see, is a bunch of 4th OFers outside of Basabe and Adolfo(who is always hurt).


Not hardly Sheets is a legit power hitting right field prospect in Birmingham and they have the best center field prospect in all of baseball ready to be brought up in September. It is the pitching that is the big time weakness and that is the truth. That will take money and if Reinny doesn't pony up, this team really isn't going to go anywhere.

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HawaiiYou wrote:
I’ve been analyzing the Sox farm system and prospects recently and this team SHOULD dominate the next decade of the 2020s.

I see them winning 3 to 4 pennants and at least 2 World Series Championships.

If they don’t even get to a WS in the next decade then something is really messed up with Sox management.

Let’s check back in 2029 to see if my projections are close or not.


Let's pump the brakes a little. You can see a playoff appearance from here, but that's about it. In fact, I fear they've gotten career years from Anderson and McCann and are going to have to make up that offense next year via a free agent signing or the continued development of one of their young players.


YOu don't think that two of the best players on the White Sox are automatically going to fail next year? Based on what? Personally, I think that Anderson may have an MVP type season next year. He is a GREAT player. And McCann will also be right up there with the best catchers in baseball for the rest of his career both defensively and offensively.

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YOu don't think that two of the best players on the White Sox are automatically going to fail next year? Based on what? Personally, I think that Anderson may have an MVP type season next year. He is a GREAT player. And McCann will also be right up there with the best catchers in baseball for the rest of his career both defensively and offensively.


Anderson maybe. He has definitely made progress and could continue to improve. I doubt he is a MVP type player going forward, but it is possible.

On the other hand, McCann is clearly a guy that is more than likely having a career offensive year that will never be seen again. He is 29 yrs old and a career .240 hitter. Going forward he will be a good defensive catcher who seems to do really well with handling pitchers. But offensively he will be way closer to what he has always been than the guy you see this year.

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The Hawk wrote:
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HawaiiYou wrote:
I’ve been analyzing the Sox farm system and prospects recently and this team SHOULD dominate the next decade of the 2020s.

I see them winning 3 to 4 pennants and at least 2 World Series Championships.

If they don’t even get to a WS in the next decade then something is really messed up with Sox management.

Let’s check back in 2029 to see if my projections are close or not.


Let's pump the brakes a little. You can see a playoff appearance from here, but that's about it. In fact, I fear they've gotten career years from Anderson and McCann and are going to have to make up that offense next year via a free agent signing or the continued development of one of their young players.


YOu don't think that two of the best players on the White Sox are automatically going to fail next year? Based on what? Personally, I think that Anderson may have an MVP type season next year. He is a GREAT player. And McCann will also be right up there with the best catchers in baseball for the rest of his career both defensively and offensively.


It's just a gut feeling. Tim Anderson is an above average hitter, at least from a batting average standpoint, but he's not a .317 hitter. I think his natural range is between the upper .260's and the upper .280's. In terms of McCann, I think RFDC's comments pretty well sum up my thoughts.


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YOu don't think that two of the best players on the White Sox are automatically going to fail next year? Based on what? Personally, I think that Anderson may have an MVP type season next year. He is a GREAT player. And McCann will also be right up there with the best catchers in baseball for the rest of his career both defensively and offensively.


Anderson maybe. He has definitely made progress and could continue to improve. I doubt he is a MVP type player going forward, but it is possible.

On the other hand, McCann is clearly a guy that is more than likely having a career offensive year that will never be seen again. He is 29 yrs old and a career .240 hitter. Going forward he will be a good defensive catcher who seems to do really well with handling pitchers. But offensively he will be way closer to what he has always been than the guy you see this year.


Why? I think that he made a big change in his hitting approach and that is the reason why he has been successful. He just might be the best two strike hitter in the AL. If you watch the guy he adjusts his approach with two strikes. He chokes up and moves closer to the plate. He also hits the ball the other way a lot more. Now do I think he will hit .320 for the rest of his career? No. But he certainly will continue to be a good major league hitter for the remainder of his career.

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Now do I think he will hit .320 for the rest of his career? No. But he certainly will continue to be a good major league hitter for the remainder of his career.

You have nothing to really base this on other than your opinion.

His history in the big leagues says otherwise. Very few guys drastically change at the age of 29 and have it last for the rest of their career. A lot of guys have a career year and then regress back to their career norms.

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Now do I think he will hit .320 for the rest of his career? No. But he certainly will continue to be a good major league hitter for the remainder of his career.

You have nothing to really base this on other than your opinion.

His history in the big leagues says otherwise. Very few guys drastically change at the age of 29 and have it last for the rest of their career. A lot of guys have a career year and then regress back to their career norms.


Yeah. It is my opinion and is based on the hitting adjustments that he has made which are tangible and can be demonstrated. It isn't based on any kind of hunch. I hear this stuff all of the time and I think that it is just malarkey. He made a change. It isn't just luck that his average is what it is. The balls that he hits are hit hard, not some duck snorts that sometimes raise a players BA out of sure luck on occasion. He's healthy and in the early prime of his career. There is no reason that he cannot continue to be one of the best all around catchers in all of baseball.

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I guess we will see which one of us is right moving forward.

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Very few guys drastically change at the age of 29 and have it last for the rest of their career. A lot of guys have a career year and then regress back to their career norms.


Who are examples of this? Bautista, Ortiz, and to a lesser extent, Tom Paciorek. I know there are some pitchers, but for hitters, anyone else?


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Very few guys drastically change at the age of 29 and have it last for the rest of their career. A lot of guys have a career year and then regress back to their career norms.


Who are examples of this? Bautista, Ortiz, and to a lesser extent, Tom Paciorek. I know there are some pitchers, but for hitters, anyone else?

Bautista is a pretty good example of someone who did it.

Ortiz definitely changed as far as HRs and RBIs go....but he always hit for about the same average. He only hit below .270 one time while in Minnesota. And I have a feeling there was some other ajents at work in his turn around.

I cannot think of really anyone else that did it... I am sure there are a few...but not many.

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Very few guys drastically change at the age of 29 and have it last for the rest of their career. A lot of guys have a career year and then regress back to their career norms.


Who are examples of this? Bautista, Ortiz, and to a lesser extent, Tom Paciorek. I know there are some pitchers, but for hitters, anyone else?

Bautista is a pretty good example of someone who did it.

Ortiz definitely changed as far as HRs and RBIs go....but he always hit for about the same average. He only hit below .270 one time while in Minnesota. And I have a feeling there was some other ajents at work in his turn around.

I cannot think of really anyone else that did it... I am sure there are a few...but not many.

Yeah, I guess Ortiz even admitted it :lol:

I always wondered what the deal with Bautista was. I hadn't even heard of him when he hit 50+ homers one year.


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The Hawk wrote:
Cashman wrote:
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One or two guys usually outperforms their expectations.

Quintana, Sale, etc.

Hopefully there are some surprises nobody is focusing on right now.



I agree, but the best I see, is a bunch of 4th OFers outside of Basabe and Adolfo(who is always hurt).


Not hardly Sheets is a legit power hitting right field prospect in Birmingham and they have the best center field prospect in all of baseball ready to be brought up in September. It is the pitching that is the big time weakness and that is the truth. That will take money and if Reinny doesn't pony up, this team really isn't going to go anywhere.



I thought Sheets was a power hitting 1B, not hitting for power.


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Cashman wrote:
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One or two guys usually outperforms their expectations.

Quintana, Sale, etc.

Hopefully there are some surprises nobody is focusing on right now.



I agree, but the best I see, is a bunch of 4th OFers outside of Basabe and Adolfo(who is always hurt).


Not hardly Sheets is a legit power hitting right field prospect in Birmingham and they have the best center field prospect in all of baseball ready to be brought up in September. It is the pitching that is the big time weakness and that is the truth. That will take money and if Reinny doesn't pony up, this team really isn't going to go anywhere.



I thought Sheets was a power hitting 1B, not hitting for power.


He is like 6'4" and 225# and plays both first and RF. He has a very strong arm and is 23 years old. He is a legit power hitting prospect.

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HawaiiYou wrote:
I’ve been analyzing the Sox farm system and prospects recently and this team SHOULD dominate the next decade of the 2020s.

I see them winning 3 to 4 pennants and at least 2 World Series Championships.

If they don’t even get to a WS in the next decade then something is really messed up with Sox management.

Let’s check back in 2029 to see if my projections are close or not.


What are the Yankees and Red Sox and Dodgers going to do in the next decade? Roll over and play dead?


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I’ve been analyzing the Sox farm system and prospects recently and this team SHOULD dominate the next decade of the 2020s.

I see them winning 3 to 4 pennants and at least 2 World Series Championships.

If they don’t even get to a WS in the next decade then something is really messed up with Sox management.

Let’s check back in 2029 to see if my projections are close or not.


What are the Yankees and Red Sox and Dodgers going to do in the next decade? Roll over and play dead?


The Yankees and Dodgers spend more money in a year than the Sox spend in several years. That is the difference. Don't know about the Yankees but the Dodgers really have a depleted farm system. I've gone to several High A games with the Dodger farm team out here and they really do not have any real prospects there. They have developed a lot of very good prospects in the recent past, though.

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