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TBox is an annual Christmas themed bar crawl that brings people from all over the country to Chicago. There is a shitload of underaged drinking, drug use, drugs sold, public intoxication, public urination, nudity, overdoses, a death or 2, robberies and daily forced entry into the event by dozens of young people.

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3 strikes.

1st time caught with an illegal firearm/using a legal firearm in a crime: 10 years no parole.

2nd time caught with an illegal firearm/using a legal firearm in a crime: 20 years no parole.

3rd time caught with an illegal firearm/using a legal firearm in a crime: death penalty.

And when those are found to be disproportionally affecting minorities ???


Don't care.


You probably should. Any time there is a "get tough on" law, it finds a way to disproportionately impact the lives of black and brown communities. Look no further than our "War on Drugs".

Politicians with the help of the media created the narrative that black and brown communities used and sold drugs at rates higher than everyone else and the "middle class" and priviledged of all communities agreed that there should be a "crackdown"

Black and brown families were being hit hard by the loss of manufacturing jobs and the "War on Drugs" just about finished most of these communities. Our justice system even shredded the 4th amendment and looked the other way when crooked cops were planting drugs on primarily black and brown people. Why? Because big business and local governments were making a shit load of money for the right to disproportionately imprison black and brown people for the same "crimes" that whites were committing AT THE SAME FUCKING RATE.

Lollapalooza is an annual music festival that brings people from all over the country to Chicago. There is a shitload of underaged drinking, drug use, drugs sold, public intoxication, public urination, nudity, overdoses, a death or 2, robberies and daily forced entry into the event by dozens of young people. People bury drugs so they can use and sale them when they enter the event. In fact, the police used dogs this year to try to combat this issue.

The media doesn't make this a big issue. Eddie Johnson doesn't hold press conferences for any of the "problems" at this music festival. Very few arrests are made. There aren't loud questions being asked about the parents, the way the young girls dress and there is no plan to cancel the event. They rightly view it as kids being kids. That same level of grace wouldn't be extended if black and brown communities were doing the same.

The "get tough" crowd eventually change their tune decades later when they see the damage that has been done or it comes knocking at their front door. It's too late to reverse the damage by then. It's easy to yell "I don't care" about the results when there is very little chance that it could have a negative impact on your family or community.


Everyone would be treated equally.

If minorities happen to commit more of those crimes, so be it. If white people happen to commit more of those crimes, so be it. If purple quadrupeds happen to commit more of those crimes, so be it.

Everyone has a choice. For whatever reason you choose to make that choice, that's fine.

The penalty is the same.

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Terry's Peeps wrote:
Nas wrote:
Terry's Peeps wrote:
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Terry's Peeps wrote:
3 strikes.

1st time caught with an illegal firearm/using a legal firearm in a crime: 10 years no parole.

2nd time caught with an illegal firearm/using a legal firearm in a crime: 20 years no parole.

3rd time caught with an illegal firearm/using a legal firearm in a crime: death penalty.

And when those are found to be disproportionally affecting minorities ???


Don't care.


You probably should. Any time there is a "get tough on" law, it finds a way to disproportionately impact the lives of black and brown communities. Look no further than our "War on Drugs".

Politicians with the help of the media created the narrative that black and brown communities used and sold drugs at rates higher than everyone else and the "middle class" and priviledged of all communities agreed that there should be a "crackdown"

Black and brown families were being hit hard by the loss of manufacturing jobs and the "War on Drugs" just about finished most of these communities. Our justice system even shredded the 4th amendment and looked the other way when crooked cops were planting drugs on primarily black and brown people. Why? Because big business and local governments were making a shit load of money for the right to disproportionately imprison black and brown people for the same "crimes" that whites were committing AT THE SAME FUCKING RATE.

Lollapalooza is an annual music festival that brings people from all over the country to Chicago. There is a shitload of underaged drinking, drug use, drugs sold, public intoxication, public urination, nudity, overdoses, a death or 2, robberies and daily forced entry into the event by dozens of young people. People bury drugs so they can use and sale them when they enter the event. In fact, the police used dogs this year to try to combat this issue.

The media doesn't make this a big issue. Eddie Johnson doesn't hold press conferences for any of the "problems" at this music festival. Very few arrests are made. There aren't loud questions being asked about the parents, the way the young girls dress and there is no plan to cancel the event. They rightly view it as kids being kids. That same level of grace wouldn't be extended if black and brown communities were doing the same.

The "get tough" crowd eventually change their tune decades later when they see the damage that has been done or it comes knocking at their front door. It's too late to reverse the damage by then. It's easy to yell "I don't care" about the results when there is very little chance that it could have a negative impact on your family or community.


Everyone would be treated equally.

If minorities happen to commit more of those crimes, so be it. If white people happen to commit more of those crimes, so be it. If purple quadrupeds happen to commit more of those crimes, so be it.

Everyone has a choice. For whatever reason you choose to make that choice, that's fine.

The penalty is the same.


When has our system of justice ever treated everyone equally?

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Nas wrote:
Terry's Peeps wrote:
Nas wrote:
Terry's Peeps wrote:
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3 strikes.

1st time caught with an illegal firearm/using a legal firearm in a crime: 10 years no parole.

2nd time caught with an illegal firearm/using a legal firearm in a crime: 20 years no parole.

3rd time caught with an illegal firearm/using a legal firearm in a crime: death penalty.

And when those are found to be disproportionally affecting minorities ???


Don't care.


You probably should. Any time there is a "get tough on" law, it finds a way to disproportionately impact the lives of black and brown communities. Look no further than our "War on Drugs".

Politicians with the help of the media created the narrative that black and brown communities used and sold drugs at rates higher than everyone else and the "middle class" and priviledged of all communities agreed that there should be a "crackdown"

Black and brown families were being hit hard by the loss of manufacturing jobs and the "War on Drugs" just about finished most of these communities. Our justice system even shredded the 4th amendment and looked the other way when crooked cops were planting drugs on primarily black and brown people. Why? Because big business and local governments were making a shit load of money for the right to disproportionately imprison black and brown people for the same "crimes" that whites were committing AT THE SAME FUCKING RATE.

Lollapalooza is an annual music festival that brings people from all over the country to Chicago. There is a shitload of underaged drinking, drug use, drugs sold, public intoxication, public urination, nudity, overdoses, a death or 2, robberies and daily forced entry into the event by dozens of young people. People bury drugs so they can use and sale them when they enter the event. In fact, the police used dogs this year to try to combat this issue.

The media doesn't make this a big issue. Eddie Johnson doesn't hold press conferences for any of the "problems" at this music festival. Very few arrests are made. There aren't loud questions being asked about the parents, the way the young girls dress and there is no plan to cancel the event. They rightly view it as kids being kids. That same level of grace wouldn't be extended if black and brown communities were doing the same.

The "get tough" crowd eventually change their tune decades later when they see the damage that has been done or it comes knocking at their front door. It's too late to reverse the damage by then. It's easy to yell "I don't care" about the results when there is very little chance that it could have a negative impact on your family or community.


Everyone would be treated equally.

If minorities happen to commit more of those crimes, so be it. If white people happen to commit more of those crimes, so be it. If purple quadrupeds happen to commit more of those crimes, so be it.

Everyone has a choice. For whatever reason you choose to make that choice, that's fine.

The penalty is the same.


When has our system of justice ever treated everyone equally?


We're in fantasy land, right?

This stuff will never happen so it's all hypothetical.

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That is what Peeps is saying. You get these laws on the books and then enforce them. Zero tolerance. if Lori Lightfoot happened to be caught with a gun, then its ten years. Race, color, creed, wealth level, or power level would have no bearing on the outcome.

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Nas wrote:
Terry's Peeps wrote:
Nas wrote:
Terry's Peeps wrote:
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Terry's Peeps wrote:
3 strikes.

1st time caught with an illegal firearm/using a legal firearm in a crime: 10 years no parole.

2nd time caught with an illegal firearm/using a legal firearm in a crime: 20 years no parole.

3rd time caught with an illegal firearm/using a legal firearm in a crime: death penalty.

And when those are found to be disproportionally affecting minorities ???


Don't care.


You probably should. Any time there is a "get tough on" law, it finds a way to disproportionately impact the lives of black and brown communities. Look no further than our "War on Drugs".

Politicians with the help of the media created the narrative that black and brown communities used and sold drugs at rates higher than everyone else and the "middle class" and priviledged of all communities agreed that there should be a "crackdown"

Black and brown families were being hit hard by the loss of manufacturing jobs and the "War on Drugs" just about finished most of these communities. Our justice system even shredded the 4th amendment and looked the other way when crooked cops were planting drugs on primarily black and brown people. Why? Because big business and local governments were making a shit load of money for the right to disproportionately imprison black and brown people for the same "crimes" that whites were committing AT THE SAME FUCKING RATE.

Lollapalooza is an annual music festival that brings people from all over the country to Chicago. There is a shitload of underaged drinking, drug use, drugs sold, public intoxication, public urination, nudity, overdoses, a death or 2, robberies and daily forced entry into the event by dozens of young people. People bury drugs so they can use and sale them when they enter the event. In fact, the police used dogs this year to try to combat this issue.

The media doesn't make this a big issue. Eddie Johnson doesn't hold press conferences for any of the "problems" at this music festival. Very few arrests are made. There aren't loud questions being asked about the parents, the way the young girls dress and there is no plan to cancel the event. They rightly view it as kids being kids. That same level of grace wouldn't be extended if black and brown communities were doing the same.

The "get tough" crowd eventually change their tune decades later when they see the damage that has been done or it comes knocking at their front door. It's too late to reverse the damage by then. It's easy to yell "I don't care" about the results when there is very little chance that it could have a negative impact on your family or community.


Everyone would be treated equally.

If minorities happen to commit more of those crimes, so be it. If white people happen to commit more of those crimes, so be it. If purple quadrupeds happen to commit more of those crimes, so be it.

Everyone has a choice. For whatever reason you choose to make that choice, that's fine.

The penalty is the same.


When has our system of justice ever treated everyone equally?



Yeah that is not going to happen. Ever. The same arguments for allowing certain people to walk i.e. higher incomes, better attorneys will be used while others are bodyslammed.

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We're in fantasy land, right?

This stuff will never happen so it's all hypothetical.


Fair enough!

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Nothing will be fixed or changed. Gun violence is just an accepted part of living in this country.


This is the correct answer.

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The media doesn't make this a big issue. Eddie Johnson doesn't hold press conferences for any of the "problems" at this music festival. Very few arrests are made. There aren't loud questions being asked about the parents, the way the young girls dress and there is no plan to cancel the event. They rightly view it as kids being kids. That same level of grace wouldn't be extended if black and brown communities were doing the same.


I don't think this is necessarily true, Nas. There are huge gatherings at parks (and a certain forest preserve) in Chicago and none of the people are white and they're free to party even though they break as many laws as they do at Lolla.


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You probably should. Any time there is a "get tough on" law, it finds a way to disproportionately impact the lives of black and brown communities. Look no further than our "War on Drugs".

Politicians with the help of the media created the narrative that black and brown communities used and sold drugs at rates higher than everyone else and the "middle class" and priviledged of all communities agreed that there should be a "crackdown"

Black and brown families were being hit hard by the loss of manufacturing jobs and the "War on Drugs" just about finished most of these communities. Our justice system even shredded the 4th amendment and looked the other way when crooked cops were planting drugs on primarily black and brown people. Why? Because big business and local governments were making a shit load of money for the right to disproportionately imprison black and brown people for the same "crimes" that whites were committing AT THE SAME FUCKING RATE.

Lollapalooza is an annual music festival that brings people from all over the country to Chicago. There is a shitload of underaged drinking, drug use, drugs sold, public intoxication, public urination, nudity, overdoses, a death or 2, robberies and daily forced entry into the event by dozens of young people. People bury drugs so they can use and sale them when they enter the event. In fact, the police used dogs this year to try to combat this issue.

The media doesn't make this a big issue. Eddie Johnson doesn't hold press conferences for any of the "problems" at this music festival. Very few arrests are made. There aren't loud questions being asked about the parents, the way the young girls dress and there is no plan to cancel the event. They rightly view it as kids being kids. That same level of grace wouldn't be extended if black and brown communities were doing the same.

The "get tough" crowd eventually change their tune decades later when they see the damage that has been done or it comes knocking at their front door. It's too late to reverse the damage by then. It's easy to yell "I don't care" about the results when there is very little chance that it could have a negative impact on your family or community.



It's certainly true that prison sentences are too long and draconian, but let's not imagine that the majority of black voters and representatives didn't support the crime bill in the 90s.

I am not sure where the idea is that the media did not cover crimes or drug activity at Lollapalooza. It was the top story on every local news broadcast all weekend. The Tribune's main website headline yesterday was a tracker on the number of arrests. Why do we know about the fence jumping or burying drugs? The media covered it.

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We need to ban guns altogether. Until then it will continue to be a mess.

Tasers work for self defense. 2nd amendment don't mean shit no more.

Any other amendments we don't have use for any longer?

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We need to ban guns altogether. Until then it will continue to be a mess.

Tasers work for self defense. 2nd amendment don't mean shit no more.

Any other amendments we don't have use for any longer?

Thanks for asking. Third, Seventh and Ninth could use some revisions.

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You probably should. Any time there is a "get tough on" law, it finds a way to disproportionately impact the lives of black and brown communities. Look no further than our "War on Drugs".

Politicians with the help of the media created the narrative that black and brown communities used and sold drugs at rates higher than everyone else and the "middle class" and priviledged of all communities agreed that there should be a "crackdown"

Black and brown families were being hit hard by the loss of manufacturing jobs and the "War on Drugs" just about finished most of these communities. Our justice system even shredded the 4th amendment and looked the other way when crooked cops were planting drugs on primarily black and brown people. Why? Because big business and local governments were making a shit load of money for the right to disproportionately imprison black and brown people for the same "crimes" that whites were committing AT THE SAME FUCKING RATE.

Lollapalooza is an annual music festival that brings people from all over the country to Chicago. There is a shitload of underaged drinking, drug use, drugs sold, public intoxication, public urination, nudity, overdoses, a death or 2, robberies and daily forced entry into the event by dozens of young people. People bury drugs so they can use and sale them when they enter the event. In fact, the police used dogs this year to try to combat this issue.

The media doesn't make this a big issue. Eddie Johnson doesn't hold press conferences for any of the "problems" at this music festival. Very few arrests are made. There aren't loud questions being asked about the parents, the way the young girls dress and there is no plan to cancel the event. They rightly view it as kids being kids. That same level of grace wouldn't be extended if black and brown communities were doing the same.

The "get tough" crowd eventually change their tune decades later when they see the damage that has been done or it comes knocking at their front door. It's too late to reverse the damage by then. It's easy to yell "I don't care" about the results when there is very little chance that it could have a negative impact on your family or community.



It's certainly true that prison sentences are too long and draconian, but let's not imagine that the majority of black voters and representatives didn't support the crime bill in the 90s.


Doesn't this comment run counter to your often claimed opinion regarding blacks and victimhood?

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We need to ban guns altogether. Until then it will continue to be a mess.

Tasers work for self defense. 2nd amendment don't mean shit no more.

Ike South: Our government are literal Nazis running concentration camps

also Ike South: Only the government should have guns

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We need to ban guns altogether. Until then it will continue to be a mess.

Tasers work for self defense. 2nd amendment don't mean shit no more.

Any other amendments we don't have use for any longer?

If we can take away Ike's 1st amendment rights, that would be great.

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We need to ban guns altogether. Until then it will continue to be a mess.

Tasers work for self defense. 2nd amendment don't mean shit no more.

Any other amendments we don't have use for any longer?

Thanks for asking. Third, Seventh and Ninth could use some revisions.
The 19th as well.

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The media doesn't make this a big issue. Eddie Johnson doesn't hold press conferences for any of the "problems" at this music festival. Very few arrests are made. There aren't loud questions being asked about the parents, the way the young girls dress and there is no plan to cancel the event. They rightly view it as kids being kids. That same level of grace wouldn't be extended if black and brown communities were doing the same.


I don't think this is necessarily true, Nas. There are huge gatherings at parks (and a certain forest preserve) in Chicago and none of the people are white and they're free to party even though they break as many laws as they do at Lolla.


I disagree. No one at the forest preserves are doing drugs in front of the police, engaging in underaged drinking or a few other things without them intervening. They would shut it down. Regardless of skin color. Economics plays a major role in them essentially looking the other way for Lollapalooza.

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How about providing safe high quality education to all children from the ages of 4 to 20?


You need a holistic approach for the entire family. It's taken generations to get here and there is nothing you can do to change it overnight.

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How do you fix it Brogue?


How about providing safe high quality education to all children from the ages of 4 to 20?


You need a holistic approach.


I don't think weed will fix this...

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Trump condemns 'racism, bigotry and white supremacy' after weekend of mass shootings


https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/white- ... l-n1039176

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Trump condemns 'racism, bigotry and white supremacy' after weekend of mass shootings


https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/white- ... l-n1039176

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How do you fix it Brogue?


How about providing safe high quality education to all children from the ages of 4 to 20?


You need a holistic approach.


I don't think weed will fix this...


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How about providing safe high quality education to all children from the ages of 4 to 20?


You need a holistic approach.


I don't think weed will fix this...


Takes the edge off.


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Douchebag wrote:
The only way to solve inner city gun violence is to add significantly more guns to inner cities.


It's already easier to find a gun than a sandwich at Chicago Public Schools.

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 05, 2019 4:45 pm 
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WaitingforRuffcorn wrote:
Douchebag wrote:
The only way to solve inner city gun violence is to add significantly more guns to inner cities.


It's already easier to find a gun than a sandwich at Chicago Public Schools.


Also easier to find an education too. Chicago Public School students would never utter something so stupid as this:

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The migration occurred over share cropping not lynching.


Or this.

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 05, 2019 5:22 pm 
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Douchebag wrote:
The only way to solve inner city gun violence is to add significantly more guns to inner cities.


Guns for private citizens or more police everywhere?

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