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PostPosted: Tue Aug 06, 2019 11:42 am 
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Sayeth the human carbuncle of the board. :shock: :shock:

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I'd also be interested in getting Quintana back. Shouldn't require a lot of money. He won't break down. And he would be a solid lefty in the rotation.
Oh my God. This is the stupidest thing I have ever read on here.


Obviously you never read what you write, sparky. :cry: :cry:
No, I read most of my posts. Some of them are stupid. This one you've posted takes stupid into the stratosphere.

I didn't think you could get crazier than some of your political posts. I was dead wrong.

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I'd also be interested in getting Quintana back. Shouldn't require a lot of money. He won't break down. And he would be a solid lefty in the rotation.
Oh my God. This is the stupidest thing I have ever read on here.


Obviously you never read what you write, sparky. :cry: :cry:
No, I read most of my posts. Some of them are stupid. This one you've posted takes stupid into the stratosphere.

I didn't think you could get crazier than some of your political posts. I was dead wrong.


Exactly what is crazy about what I posted, sparky? It would be one thing to disagree with someone's opinion about a pitcher but someone that has a modicum of baseball knowledge would at least try and proffer some explanation to explain why an opinion didn't make any sense. So, smart ass, enlighten us all with your terrific insight into the question of Quintana coming back to the White SOx via free agency.

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First of all, Quintana is not quite a free agent. He has a team option that, barring injury, the Cubs are sure to pick up.

Second, Quintana already pitched for the Sox and while he had some good peripheral numbers, he had a losing record all but one year he was were (and even then he lost 12 games). Some of it was hard luck. Some of it was because he is just not a number 1 or number 2 guy that you can count on in crunch time. Facing easier lineups with the pitcher hitting in the NL, he has fared a little better record wise.

Third, do you really think after giving up his #1 hitting and #1 pitching prospect to acquire Quintana that Theo would just give him away to the White Sox of all teams? It would cost them a boatload in a trade, resources the Sox can use wisely elsewhere. If Q is a free agent after the 2020 season, the Sox would still be better served spending that money elsewhere.

Fourth, I didn't say your idea to get Quintana was crazy. I said it was stupid. I said your political posts are crazy. I stand firmly behind those factual statements. Your Quintana idea is perhaps one of the stupidest things I've ever read on here, and definitely the stupidest front office move ever suggested. Being here for over 13 years I've read a lot of stupid on this board. A lot. I've partaken in a bit of it as well. The suggestion you made that the Sox make Quintana a target takes the stupidity cake.

Fifth, spell players' names correctly. If you are unsure of their stats or names, there is this great, big, beautiful website called baseballreference.com which has virtually every player and every stat for every MLB game played post 1900. Utilize this please. Also use "the Google" once a while. You might find brains you didn't even know you had.

That enough for ya, dickweed?

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Facing easier lineups with the pitcher hitting in the NL, he has fared a little better.

Don't make posts questioning The Hawk's intelligence and then say things like this.

Quintana has pitched worse for the Cubs than he did the White Sox.

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First of all, Quintana is not quite a free agent. He has a team option that, barring injury, the Cubs are sure to pick up.

That is a decent reason and a good point. His name was listed as a free agent without a team option on the site that I went to look at.

Second, Quintana already pitched for the Sox and while he had some good peripheral numbers, he had a losing record all but one year he was were (and even then he lost 12 games). Some of it was hard luck. Some of it was because he is just not a number 1 or number 2 guy that you can count on in crunch time. Facing easier lineups with the pitcher hitting in the NL, he has fared a little better.

HE lost games because he couldn't get any run support, blinkey. That isn't on him.

Third, do you really think after giving up his #1 hitting and #1 pitching prospect to acquire Quintana that Theo would just give him away to the White Sox of all teams? It would cost them a boatload in a trade, resources the Sox can use wisely elsewhere. If Q is a free agent after the 2020 season, the Sox would still be better served spending that money elsewhere.

I talked about the Sox re-acquiring him as a free agent. I made no comment about acquiring him via a trade whatsoever.If the Cubs exercise their option, then I would not try and trade for him. Simple as that.

Fourth, I didn't say your idea to get Quintana was crazy. I said it was stupid. I said your political posts are crazy. I stand firmly behind those factual statements.

Considering that this is coming from you of all people, that is hilarious.

Your Quintana idea is perhaps one of the stupidest things I've ever read on here, and definitely the stupidest front office move ever suggested. Being here for over 13 years I've read a lot of stupid on this board. A lot. I've partaken in a bit of it as well. The suggestion you made that the Sox make Quintana a target takes the stupidity cake.

Quintana is a good starting pitcher. As a free agent, he could definitely help the starting rotation.

Fifth, spell players' names correctly. If you are unsure of their stats or names, there is this great, big, beautiful website called baseballreference.com which has virtually every player and every stat for every MLB game played post 1900. Utilize this please. Also use "the Google" once a while. You might find brains you didn't even know you had.

People misspell names all of the time, goober. YOu knew who I was talking about. It was simply a typo. Only weak minded people attack people for typos. That is the case with you.

That enough for ya, dickweed?


Sure, little one.

Now then. The subject was what free agents should the Sox target in the upcoming off season. A decent smart person would have responded to my comment with a simple statement about the Cubs having a team option on him and then maybe suggest an alternative player. Your problem is just that you are just a jag-off and cannot engage on a discussion about baseball without resorting to being said jag-off.

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Fifth, spell players' names correctly. If you are unsure of their stats or names, there is this great, big, beautiful website called baseballreference.com which has virtually every player and every stat for every MLB game played post 1900. Utilize this please. Also use "the Google" once a while. You might find brains you didn't even know you had.

The proper retort was to bring attention to the fact that Frank Coztansa has spelled Frank Costanza incorrectly.

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No, Hawk, the correct thing to do would be to put your back on ignore since you nothing positive to this board and clearly are only here to try and advance your whacked out, right wing agenda.

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No, Hawk, the correct thing to do would be to put your back on ignore since you nothing positive to this board and clearly are only here to try and advance your whacked out, right wing agenda.


You do that , Sparky. This is a White Sox board if you haven't noticed I know that your buddy, LTG likes to lurk here so maybe you can do it also? That's okay with me because you are really lack any intelligence or clarity. By all means, go hide in the basement with all of the other cockroaches like yourself :eye: :eye: :eye:

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Parkins, not the biggest believer in the Sox, made an interesting statement today. Said after this offseason there will be real expectations on the team and they will have given out the biggest free agent contract in franchise history. Not his normal tone on the team, hopefully has some insider knowledge of plans.


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Parkins, not the biggest believer in the Sox, made an interesting statement today. Said after this offseason there will be real expectations on the team and they will have given out the biggest free agent contract in franchise history. Not his normal tone on the team, hopefully has some insider knowledge of plans.


after Machado and all the falling short in the Bulls front office, I will remain skeptical about their spending.

I also don't agree on expectations. They will have two rookie starting pitchers, one trying to establish himself and another who has flashed greatness this year but will need to prove it is real. They will also be depending on rookie or unproven second year players across the batting order. Next year is a .500 season if everyone develops at a normally expected rate.

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Parkins, not the biggest believer in the Sox, made an interesting statement today. Said after this offseason there will be real expectations on the team and they will have given out the biggest free agent contract in franchise history. Not his normal tone on the team, hopefully has some insider knowledge of plans.


after Machado and all the falling short in the Bulls front office, I will remain skeptical about their spending.

I also don't agree on expectations. They will have two rookie starting pitchers, one trying to establish himself and another who has flashed greatness this year but will need to prove it is real. They will also be depending on rookie or unproven second year players across the batting order. Next year is a .500 season if everyone develops at a normally expected rate.

Without 2 major FAs, .500 will be the expectation and Vegas will agree.


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good dolphin wrote:
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Parkins, not the biggest believer in the Sox, made an interesting statement today. Said after this offseason there will be real expectations on the team and they will have given out the biggest free agent contract in franchise history. Not his normal tone on the team, hopefully has some insider knowledge of plans.


after Machado and all the falling short in the Bulls front office, I will remain skeptical about their spending.

I also don't agree on expectations. They will have two rookie starting pitchers, one trying to establish himself and another who has flashed greatness this year but will need to prove it is real. They will also be depending on rookie or unproven second year players across the batting order. Next year is a .500 season if everyone develops at a normally expected rate.


You know it has to be better than that. They have to try to make the playoffs.

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Parkins, not the biggest believer in the Sox, made an interesting statement today. Said after this offseason there will be real expectations on the team and they will have given out the biggest free agent contract in franchise history. Not his normal tone on the team, hopefully has some insider knowledge of plans.


after Machado and all the falling short in the Bulls front office, I will remain skeptical about their spending.

I also don't agree on expectations. They will have two rookie starting pitchers, one trying to establish himself and another who has flashed greatness this year but will need to prove it is real. They will also be depending on rookie or unproven second year players across the batting order. Next year is a .500 season if everyone develops at a normally expected rate.


You know it has to be better than that. They have to try to make the playoffs.

Hey, sometimes .500 IS competing for the play-ins.


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Nardi wrote:
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Parkins, not the biggest believer in the Sox, made an interesting statement today. Said after this offseason there will be real expectations on the team and they will have given out the biggest free agent contract in franchise history. Not his normal tone on the team, hopefully has some insider knowledge of plans.


after Machado and all the falling short in the Bulls front office, I will remain skeptical about their spending.

I also don't agree on expectations. They will have two rookie starting pitchers, one trying to establish himself and another who has flashed greatness this year but will need to prove it is real. They will also be depending on rookie or unproven second year players across the batting order. Next year is a .500 season if everyone develops at a normally expected rate.


You know it has to be better than that. They have to try to make the playoffs.

Hey, sometimes .500 IS competing for the play-ins.


I'd say that both things are true. Sometimes .500 is competing for the play-offs. And, this is not what Has to be the objective. THis off season is a very critical one for we Sox fans I think. It starts with what they will do with Abreu and McCann. IF they don't re-sign both of them, the message will be pretty clear that they don't want to win a championship. IF they do re-sign them, then Reinny has got to give Hahn the money to spend to acquire two good starting pitchers and maybe a decent right fielder.

IF the okay is given, then it is up to Hahn to do his job. THus far, as far as I am concerned anyway, Hahn has been generally good in the trades and acquisitions that he has done, especially the Hispanic additions and McCann. It is frustrating seeing the still glaring weaknesses but they are fixable and it takes money. This is really all about Reinny ponying up.

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The Hawk wrote:
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Parkins, not the biggest believer in the Sox, made an interesting statement today. Said after this offseason there will be real expectations on the team and they will have given out the biggest free agent contract in franchise history. Not his normal tone on the team, hopefully has some insider knowledge of plans.


after Machado and all the falling short in the Bulls front office, I will remain skeptical about their spending.

I also don't agree on expectations. They will have two rookie starting pitchers, one trying to establish himself and another who has flashed greatness this year but will need to prove it is real. They will also be depending on rookie or unproven second year players across the batting order. Next year is a .500 season if everyone develops at a normally expected rate.


You know it has to be better than that. They have to try to make the playoffs.

Hey, sometimes .500 IS competing for the play-ins.


I'd say that both things are true. Sometimes .500 is competing for the play-offs. And, this is not what Has to be the objective. THis off season is a very critical one for we Sox fans I think. It starts with what they will do with Abreu and McCann. IF they don't re-sign both of them, the message will be pretty clear that they don't want to win a championship. IF they do re-sign them, then Reinny has got to give Hahn the money to spend to acquire two good starting pitchers and maybe a decent right fielder.

IF the okay is given, then it is up to Hahn to do his job. THus far, as far as I am concerned anyway, Hahn has been generally good in the trades and acquisitions that he has done, especially the Hispanic additions and McCann. It is frustrating seeing the still glaring weaknesses but they are fixable and it takes money. This is really all about Reinny ponying up.

You don't pony up for the sake of ponying up. You first have to see what you got internally. That will take all of next year to find out. The only OBVIOUS ponying would be a vet pitcher to go with the extremely inexperienced starting pitching. I think you have to work on the assumption that Robert is in CF, Madrigal is at 2nd, and Vaughn will be your 1st Baseman. You'll know at the end of 2020.

From everything I've read, Vaughn falls out of bed hitting line drives.


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Nardi wrote:
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Nardi wrote:
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Parkins, not the biggest believer in the Sox, made an interesting statement today. Said after this offseason there will be real expectations on the team and they will have given out the biggest free agent contract in franchise history. Not his normal tone on the team, hopefully has some insider knowledge of plans.


after Machado and all the falling short in the Bulls front office, I will remain skeptical about their spending.

I also don't agree on expectations. They will have two rookie starting pitchers, one trying to establish himself and another who has flashed greatness this year but will need to prove it is real. They will also be depending on rookie or unproven second year players across the batting order. Next year is a .500 season if everyone develops at a normally expected rate.


You know it has to be better than that. They have to try to make the playoffs.

Hey, sometimes .500 IS competing for the play-ins.


I'd say that both things are true. Sometimes .500 is competing for the play-offs. And, this is not what Has to be the objective. THis off season is a very critical one for we Sox fans I think. It starts with what they will do with Abreu and McCann. IF they don't re-sign both of them, the message will be pretty clear that they don't want to win a championship. IF they do re-sign them, then Reinny has got to give Hahn the money to spend to acquire two good starting pitchers and maybe a decent right fielder.

IF the okay is given, then it is up to Hahn to do his job. THus far, as far as I am concerned anyway, Hahn has been generally good in the trades and acquisitions that he has done, especially the Hispanic additions and McCann. It is frustrating seeing the still glaring weaknesses but they are fixable and it takes money. This is really all about Reinny ponying up.



You don't pony up for the sake of ponying up. You first have to see what you got internally. That will take all of next year to find out. The only OBVIOUS ponying would be a vet pitcher to go with the extremely inexperienced starting pitching. I think you have to work on the assumption that Robert is in CF, Madrigal is at 2nd, and Vaughn will be your 1st Baseman. You'll know at the end of 2020.

From everything I've read, Vaughn falls out of bed hitting line drives.


I don't think that it will take 2020 to know what they have. They should know now and the have to make the money move right away as far as starting pitching is concerned. They will need two good to great starting PITCHERS. They also should assume that Roberts will be ready to plug into the outfield right away. Madrigal is less important to move into the line-up since Sanchez defensively is solid and can hit a bit. People have mentioned right field as a concern and I think it should be filled with a solid veteran, preferably a left handed hitter to help balance the line-up. They need to keep Garcia who is very valuable as a guy who can hit for average as a switch hitter, run the bases, and who can play virtually any position.

Vaughn will not be the first baseman next year. Way too early. They need to re-sign Abreu as well as McCann. Next season , they should point to AT LEAST getting into the play-offs. That line-up next season should be an excellent one and they should be deeper line-up wise and for sure pitching wise. Anything less than a play-off appearance next season should be viewed as a disappointment.

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I think Parkins is right about the Sox making a free agent splash this offseason. Plus it’s not hard to give out the biggest free agent contract in team history (which is what Parkins said would happen) when the current largest is relatively small by MLB standards.

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You don't pony up for the sake of ponying up.

After the Machado cluster, it would be very White Soxy for them to do just that next year to prove they're willing to spend money.

Confusing activity with accomplishment.

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Parkins, not the biggest believer in the Sox, made an interesting statement today. Said after this offseason there will be real expectations on the team and they will have given out the biggest free agent contract in franchise history. Not his normal tone on the team, hopefully has some insider knowledge of plans.


Who is Parkins?

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Parkins, not the biggest believer in the Sox, made an interesting statement today. Said after this offseason there will be real expectations on the team and they will have given out the biggest free agent contract in franchise history. Not his normal tone on the team, hopefully has some insider knowledge of plans.


after Machado and all the falling short in the Bulls front office, I will remain skeptical about their spending.

I also don't agree on expectations. They will have two rookie starting pitchers, one trying to establish himself and another who has flashed greatness this year but will need to prove it is real. They will also be depending on rookie or unproven second year players across the batting order. Next year is a .500 season if everyone develops at a normally expected rate.

Without 2 major FAs, .500 will be the expectation and Vegas will agree.


I think that if they do not greatly improve their starting pitching, they will not be a .500 team. I have no doubt that their line-up will be improved with the addition of Roberts but they will still have a couple of holes in the line-up and with little depth, injuries that always occur will keep .500 from happening. Trades and/or free agent signings will be necessary.

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