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PostPosted: Tue Aug 13, 2019 8:19 am 
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On the other hand, if Nagy had Elliot and the Cowboys offensive line, the Bears would have gone 14-2, put up 30 points on the Eagles, and won the Super Bowl last year.

Nagy would still throw 30 times a game and run 15 times


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That is where the FAR SUPERIOR offensive line would come into play.

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On the other hand, if Nagy had Elliot and the Cowboys offensive line, the Bears would have gone 14-2, put up 30 points on the Eagles, and won the Super Bowl last year.

Nope. They would’ve had about the same season.

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That is where the FAR SUPERIOR offensive line would come into play.

Dolphin was just arguing the other day the bears line was better than the Saints. By any criteria you want to use the Saints has a top 5 offensive line last year. Sounds like the cowboys line wouldn’t help you guys that much.

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Packers fans :lol:

Look, we're struggling to keep up. One day the Bears have the best offensive line, QB and defense in the NFL. The next day everyone else is better. It's tough to know what's what.


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Look, we're struggling to keep up.
100% correct.

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That is where the FAR SUPERIOR offensive line would come into play.

Dolphin was just arguing the other day the bears line was better than the Saints. By any criteria you want to use the Saints has a top 5 offensive line last year. Sounds like the cowboys line wouldn’t help you guys that much.


Saints lost possibly the best player on their line during the off season, but you knew that..

The Bears interior OL is better than the Saints.

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That is where the FAR SUPERIOR offensive line would come into play.

Dolphin was just arguing the other day the bears line was better than the Saints. By any criteria you want to use the Saints has a top 5 offensive line last year. Sounds like the cowboys line wouldn’t help you guys that much.


Saints lost possibly the best player on their line during the off season, but you knew that..

The Bears interior OL is better than the Saints.

Cowboys didn't have Travis Frederick last year, but you knew that...

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And Dak was not better than Mitch last year, but you knew that...

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And Dak was not better than Mitch last year, but you knew that...

Yes he was.

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And Dak was not better than Mitch last year, but you knew that...

Yes he was.
Nope. Not even close.

http://www.espn.com/nfl/qbr

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Frank Coztansa wrote:
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And Dak was not better than Mitch last year, but you knew that...

Yes he was.
Nope. Not even close.

http://www.espn.com/nfl/qbr

Just looking at that list should tell you how useless QBR is if you know anything about the NFL.

But by all means continue thinking that Mitch played better than Andrew Luck last season :lol:

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Just looking at that list should tell you how useless QBR is if you know anything about the NFL.

But by all means continue thinking that Mitch played better than Andrew Luck last season :lol:

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FavreFan wrote:
Frank Coztansa wrote:
FavreFan wrote:
Frank Coztansa wrote:
And Dak was not better than Mitch last year, but you knew that...

Yes he was.
Nope. Not even close.

http://www.espn.com/nfl/qbr

Just looking at that list should tell you how useless QBR is if you know anything about the NFL.

But by all means continue thinking that Mitch played better than Andrew Luck last season :lol:

You still sticking with the idea that (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky is basically Blake Bortles?

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
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Frank Coztansa wrote:
FavreFan wrote:
Frank Coztansa wrote:
And Dak was not better than Mitch last year, but you knew that...

Yes he was.
Nope. Not even close.

http://www.espn.com/nfl/qbr

Just looking at that list should tell you how useless QBR is if you know anything about the NFL.

But by all means continue thinking that Mitch played better than Andrew Luck last season :lol:

You still sticking with the idea that (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky is basically Blake Bortles?

Pretty much yeah. He'll be fine as long as he's with Nagy. If he gets another coach like Fox... yikes.

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FavreFan wrote:
Frank Coztansa wrote:
FavreFan wrote:
Frank Coztansa wrote:
And Dak was not better than Mitch last year, but you knew that...

Yes he was.
Nope. Not even close.

http://www.espn.com/nfl/qbr

Just looking at that list should tell you how useless QBR is if you know anything about the NFL.

But by all means continue thinking that Mitch played better than Andrew Luck last season :lol:
We're not talking about Andrew Luck, we're talking about Dak Prescott who did not play better than Mitch last season. Period.

Struggling to keep up is right.

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
FavreFan wrote:
Frank Coztansa wrote:
FavreFan wrote:
Frank Coztansa wrote:
And Dak was not better than Mitch last year, but you knew that...

Yes he was.
Nope. Not even close.

http://www.espn.com/nfl/qbr

Just looking at that list should tell you how useless QBR is if you know anything about the NFL.

But by all means continue thinking that Mitch played better than Andrew Luck last season :lol:

You still sticking with the idea that (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky is basically Blake Bortles?

This is the year for Trubinsky. My mind can be changed.


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Frank Coztansa wrote:
FavreFan wrote:
Frank Coztansa wrote:
FavreFan wrote:
Frank Coztansa wrote:
And Dak was not better than Mitch last year, but you knew that...

Yes he was.
Nope. Not even close.

http://www.espn.com/nfl/qbr

Just looking at that list should tell you how useless QBR is if you know anything about the NFL.

But by all means continue thinking that Mitch played better than Andrew Luck last season :lol:
We're not talking about Andrew Luck, we're talking about Dak Prescott who did not play better than Mitch last season. Period.

Struggling to keep up is right.

Dak is a better QB than Trubinsky. This year can be different.


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Frank Coztansa wrote:
FavreFan wrote:
Frank Coztansa wrote:
FavreFan wrote:
Frank Coztansa wrote:
And Dak was not better than Mitch last year, but you knew that...

Yes he was.
Nope. Not even close.

http://www.espn.com/nfl/qbr

Just looking at that list should tell you how useless QBR is if you know anything about the NFL.

But by all means continue thinking that Mitch played better than Andrew Luck last season :lol:
We're not talking about Andrew Luck, we're talking about Dak Prescott who did not play better than Mitch last season. Period.

Struggling to keep up is right.

What are you talking about? You just copied and pasted a link showing QBR results from last season as some sort of evidence that Dak isn't close to Mitch. Luck is also below Mitch on that list. Therefore, you were saying Mitch was better than Luck using the same logic. This is all simple stuff really, you shouldn't be this confused.

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good dolphin wrote:
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That is where the FAR SUPERIOR offensive line would come into play.

Dolphin was just arguing the other day the bears line was better than the Saints. By any criteria you want to use the Saints has a top 5 offensive line last year. Sounds like the cowboys line wouldn’t help you guys that much.


Saints lost possibly the best player on their line during the off season, but you knew that..

The Bears interior OL is better than the Saints.

Cowboys didn't have Travis Frederick last year, but you knew that...


I never said anything about the Saints.

You invoked my name regarding our discussion and acted like Saints 2018= Saints 2019

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Pretty much yeah. He'll be fine as long as he's with Nagy. If he gets another coach like Fox... yikes.
Why do you feel the need to keep on falling back to the Nagy factor? It sounds like you simply want to put any amount of good play on Nagy and any bad play on (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky.

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Pretty much yeah. He'll be fine as long as he's with Nagy. If he gets another coach like Fox... yikes.
Why do you feel the need to keep on falling back to the Nagy factor? It sounds like you simply want to put any amount of good play on Nagy and any bad play on (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky.
And all of Dak's bad is on Jason Garrett.

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Pretty much yeah. He'll be fine as long as he's with Nagy. If he gets another coach like Fox... yikes.
Why do you feel the need to keep on falling back to the Nagy factor? It sounds like you simply want to put any amount of good play on Nagy and any bad play on (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky.

Because the Nagy factor is clearly significant. Same with Goff and McVay. Your last sentence is the type of reductive analysis you tend to use, not me.

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Pretty much yeah. He'll be fine as long as he's with Nagy. If he gets another coach like Fox... yikes.
Why do you feel the need to keep on falling back to the Nagy factor? It sounds like you simply want to put any amount of good play on Nagy and any bad play on (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky.

Because the Nagy factor is clearly significant. Same with Goff and McVay. Your last sentence is the type of reductive analysis you tend to use, not me.
What can (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky do this year to make you a believer?

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
FavreFan wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
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Pretty much yeah. He'll be fine as long as he's with Nagy. If he gets another coach like Fox... yikes.
Why do you feel the need to keep on falling back to the Nagy factor? It sounds like you simply want to put any amount of good play on Nagy and any bad play on (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky.

Because the Nagy factor is clearly significant. Same with Goff and McVay. Your last sentence is the type of reductive analysis you tend to use, not me.
What can (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky do this year to make you a believer?

Show better composure in the pocket.
Rely on passing rather than scrambling to move the offense
Display accuracy on intermediate and deep throws
Show ability to make anticipatory throws or throwing WRs open


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Also, this seems to be a strange article by FF's favorite guy.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/27343569/barnwell-inevitable-drew-brees-decline-already-begun

Drew Brees is old, he may or may not be an MVP next year, but eventually he will not be an MVP but we don't know if it will be next year or five years from now.

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
FavreFan wrote:
Pretty much yeah. He'll be fine as long as he's with Nagy. If he gets another coach like Fox... yikes.
Why do you feel the need to keep on falling back to the Nagy factor? It sounds like you simply want to put any amount of good play on Nagy and any bad play on (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky.

Because the Nagy factor is clearly significant. Same with Goff and McVay. Your last sentence is the type of reductive analysis you tend to use, not me.
What can (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky do this year to make you a believer?

Show better composure in the pocket.
Rely on passing rather than scrambling to move the offense
Display accuracy on intermediate and deep throws
Show ability to make anticipatory throws or throwing WRs open
So just be one of the top 5 quarterbacks in the league? :lol:

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
FavreFan wrote:
Pretty much yeah. He'll be fine as long as he's with Nagy. If he gets another coach like Fox... yikes.
Why do you feel the need to keep on falling back to the Nagy factor? It sounds like you simply want to put any amount of good play on Nagy and any bad play on (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky.

Because the Nagy factor is clearly significant. Same with Goff and McVay. Your last sentence is the type of reductive analysis you tend to use, not me.
What can (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky do this year to make you a believer?

Throw 30+ TDs and consistently show the ability to move past the first read.

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Kirkwood wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
FavreFan wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
FavreFan wrote:
Pretty much yeah. He'll be fine as long as he's with Nagy. If he gets another coach like Fox... yikes.
Why do you feel the need to keep on falling back to the Nagy factor? It sounds like you simply want to put any amount of good play on Nagy and any bad play on (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky.

Because the Nagy factor is clearly significant. Same with Goff and McVay. Your last sentence is the type of reductive analysis you tend to use, not me.
What can (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky do this year to make you a believer?

Show better composure in the pocket.
Rely on passing rather than scrambling to move the offense
Display accuracy on intermediate and deep throws
Show ability to make anticipatory throws or throwing WRs open
So just be one of the top 5 quarterbacks in the league? :lol:

Aren't the qualities described above expected when a QB is drafted 2nd overall?


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