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I still think IMU has a cursory knowledge of MLB despite another big swing and miss here.

Yeah his space saver post on a sub .700 was a sure sign of a baseball savant.

Not sure cursory knowledge and savant are the same type of description.

What fun would this be if I didnt try to take it to an extreme?

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I still think IMU has a cursory knowledge of MLB despite another big swing and miss here.

Thats true. He is kind of like Ron Santo with legs and a beard.

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I still think IMU has a cursory knowledge of MLB despite another big swing and miss here.

Thats true. He is kind of like Ron Santo with legs and a beard.


But still weighs less than Santo without legs....

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Abreu already increasing his OBP and knocking in runs before lunch!

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Runs? Nice! How many?

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Another hit!!!


The "remarkably consistent" Jose Abreu has now raised his OPS nearly 60 points in less than three weeks.

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And now he doubles!

This hitting thing is just too easy for him.

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even more importantly the slugging is now over .500

the thing that drags him down, if OPS is your metric of record, is OBP, at which he has never been elite

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There are 54 qualified players with SLG of .500 or above. It is a good number, but I wouldn't call that elite either.

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There are 54 qualified players with SLG of .500 or above. It is a good number, but I wouldn't call that elite either.


You guys are having your fun jabbing each other during the peaks and troughs. I'll wait to see the final number.

However, he has put up years of .581 and .552 and so, he has played at an elite level in the past in terms of slugging

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There are 54 qualified players with SLG of .500 or above. It is a good number, but I wouldn't call that elite either.


You guys are having your fun jabbing each other during the peaks and troughs. I'll wait to see the final number.

However, he has put up years of .581 and .552 and so, he has played at an elite level in the past in terms of slugging

No doubt about that. Abreu was an elite hitter, just below Rizzo in terms of production. That gap has widened, which was a genesis for this thread. Abreu is in the decline phase of his career.

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Abreu was an elite hitter, just below Rizzo in terms of production. That gap has widened.
Thus far in 2019, Abreu has three more homers, 17 more RBI, 3 more doubles, 11 more hits, and only trails Rizzo by 11 points in batting average.

The only area where Rizzo has a clear advantage is walks. And as I have stated MANY times, I will take the guy who hits homers and drives in runs playing 1st base and hitting in the middle of my batting order ten times out of ten over a guy who walks a bunch.

"In terms of production"- your words- Abreu has been above Rizzo so far this season. Maybe not quite 'FAR SUPERIOR', but definitely better. You've got the gap widening the wrong direction, son.

And as far as Abreu declining, he is on pace to put up career highs in Homers, RBI, and doubles. Clearly is all about power as he is getting older. That's isn't necessarily a bad thing.

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The hidden item that revs up Rizzo's OBP is HBP even though his body is over the plate and those events should be strikes.

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The evidence that Jose Abreu will be back with the White Sox after his contract ends at the end of this season has been ample throughout 2019.

Here's some more.

In an interview with the Sun-Times' Daryl Van Schouwen, the slugging first baseman said that White Sox chairman Jerry Reinsdorf has told him that he will play for the White Sox for the remainder of his major league career.

"Jerry, several times, has told me and my family that I am not going to wear a jersey other than a White Sox jersey," Abreu told Van Schouwen. "I believe him. I believe in his word. And like I said, I'm very happy with and loyal to this organization. Hopefully everything is going to pan out."

That's the latest example of the mutual admiration between Abreu and the White Sox. Abreu has spent much of 2019 talking about his love for the organization and his desire to stay with the team as it makes the transition from rebuilding mode to contention mode. Likewise, White Sox brass continuously talks about how much Abreu means to the team, not only as a productive hitter but as a mentor for the team's growing group of young players.

"The impact that I don't think he really knows that he has is how hard of a worker he is," James McCann said last month at the All-Star Game in Cleveland. "He's a superstar. He's a three-time All Star, he puts up unreal numbers, he's setting organizational records. But you wouldn't know that based on the way that he acts, the way that he goes about his business, the way that he works. He's the first one in the cage, he's in the weight room every day, he leads by example.

"So for me, the impact that he has is when a young kid shows up there and thinks he's made it and then looks at this guy over here who's busting his tail day in and day out. That's only a good thing. It helps the culture. It helps the clubhouse realize, ‘Hey, we've still got to work.'"

While general manager Rick Hahn has made it clear that it's unlikely Abreu would get a new deal before the end of the season, with the White Sox preferring to take care of such business in the offseason, he's also said that it's "very likely" Abreu will be around for the good times after experiencing nothing but losing records in his six big league seasons with the White Sox since coming over from Cuba ahead of the 2014 campaign.

Abreu's resume is undeniably terrific, a three-time All Star with consistent levels of production that made him just the third player in major league history - along with Joe DiMaggio and Albert Pujols - to start his big league career with four straight seasons of at least 25 home runs and 100 RBIs.

He's also red hot at the moment, with a .325/.382/.613 slash line to go along with six home runs and 20 RBIs in 20 games this month. And that's before he started Wednesday's game with three hits. He's on pace to smash his career high for RBIs, up to 96 of them on the campaign as of this writing. After a pair of freak injuries last season that limited his production in 2018, Abreu has played in every White Sox game but one this season.

The White Sox have repeatedly mentioned their love for Abreu as a mentor and role model for all the organization's young players, and it's clear that they hold him in the same esteem as players who have their numbers retired and have statues built at Guaranteed Rate Field. Reinsdorf presented Abreu with a specially made ring when Abreu hit for the cycle in 2017.

Abreu has returned that love over and over again in his comments, and it seems like a new contract between the two parties is inevitable.

"I'm telling you guys that if the White Sox don't sign me, I'm going to sign here anyway. I'm going to sign myself here," he said last month. "I'm going to be here, believe me. I'm going to be here.

"I don't want to miss this, I don't want to miss what is coming, and I'm going to be here."

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The hidden item that revs up Rizzo's OBP is HBP even though his body is over the plate and those events should be strikes.

This is just false.

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The hidden item that revs up Rizzo's OBP is HBP even though his body is over the plate and those events should be strikes.

This is just false.


which part

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The hidden item that revs up Rizzo's OBP is HBP even though his body is over the plate and those events should be strikes.

This is just false.


which part

HBP definitely factors into OBP so...must be the last part, wouldn't you think?

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[quote="good dolphin"]The hidden item that revs up Rizzo's OBP is HBP even though his body is over the plate and those events should be strikes.[/quote

If we didn't sissify baseball so much, that would have been taken care of a long time ago. DRILL HIM.

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There are 54 qualified players with SLG of .500 or above. It is a good number, but I wouldn't call that elite either.


You guys are having your fun jabbing each other during the peaks and troughs. I'll wait to see the final number.

However, he has put up years of .581 and .552 and so, he has played at an elite level in the past in terms of slugging

No doubt about that. Abreu was an elite hitter, just below Rizzo in terms of production. That gap has widened, which was a genesis for this thread. Abreu is in the decline phase of his career.


Hilarious. You know nothing. He's in his PRIME and one of the best first basemen in the game. He will win the Silver Slugger award again in the AL. ANd as the Sox line-up around him gets better, he is likely to keep his offensive numbers for the next 3-4 years. The future really looks bright for Abreu and the Sox.

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Abreu was an elite hitter, just below Rizzo in terms of production. That gap has widened.
Thus far in 2019, Abreu has three more homers, 17 more RBI, 3 more doubles, 11 more hits, and only trails Rizzo by 11 points in batting average.

The only area where Rizzo has a clear advantage is walks. And as I have stated MANY times, I will take the guy who hits homers and drives in runs playing 1st base and hitting in the middle of my batting order ten times out of ten over a guy who walks a bunch.

"In terms of production"- your words- Abreu has been above Rizzo so far this season. Maybe not quite 'FAR SUPERIOR', but definitely better. You've got the gap widening the wrong direction, son.

And as far as Abreu declining, he is on pace to put up career highs in Homers, RBI, and doubles. Clearly is all about power as he is getting older. That's isn't necessarily a bad thing.
I notice this went un-replied to by the baseball messiah. I guess the educator prefers to not get educated himself. :D

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Abreu was an elite hitter, just below Rizzo in terms of production. That gap has widened.
Thus far in 2019, Abreu has three more homers, 17 more RBI, 3 more doubles, 11 more hits, and only trails Rizzo by 11 points in batting average.

The only area where Rizzo has a clear advantage is walks. And as I have stated MANY times, I will take the guy who hits homers and drives in runs playing 1st base and hitting in the middle of my batting order ten times out of ten over a guy who walks a bunch.

"In terms of production"- your words- Abreu has been above Rizzo so far this season. Maybe not quite 'FAR SUPERIOR', but definitely better. You've got the gap widening the wrong direction, son.

And as far as Abreu declining, he is on pace to put up career highs in Homers, RBI, and doubles. Clearly is all about power as he is getting older. That's isn't necessarily a bad thing.
I notice this went un-replied to by the baseball messiah. I guess the educator prefers to not get educated himself. :D

We already addressed all of those points on a previous page. To refresh you, every single one of those is a statistic represented within OPS except RBI, and that is a counting statistic. We've compared that counting statistic to another leading hitter, and it shows Jose Abreu had more opportunities with men on base in front of him. RBI is a stat of opportunity. It is not representative of any specific skill.

If Rizzo's only clear advantage is walks, then why does Rizzo have a higher SLG since 2014?

Wow, you just got both educated and fucked.

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Now its gone from Abreu is under .800, to Abreu trails other guys in the AL, and once I pointed out that Abreu has been better than Rizzo this year, it morphed to Abreu has a lower slg than Rizzo over five years.

You're flippin and floppin more than a fish out of water in this thread. Understandable, as I've got my dick so far down your throat you can't breathe.

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Wow. That last line.

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even more importantly the slugging is now over .500

the thing that drags him down, if OPS is your metric of record, is OBP, at which he has never been elite


That is true. It is ingrained in him that his job is to drive in runs for the club. He really is a terrific RBI guy and a total professional. IF he has a runner in scoring position his entire mindset is to bring that run in no matter how he does it. Also, I really like to watch what he does with a runner on 2nd and no outs. He will consistently try to hit the ball to the right side whether it be a ground ball or fly ball to right. Anything to advance the runner if he makes the out. There are very few power hitter like that.

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He's back to his best approach of slapping the ball around. Good short swing, lots of singles. Much better hitter when he doesn't sell out to try to generate that extra power he doesn't organically have any longer.

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He's back to his best approach of slapping the ball around. Good short swing, lots of singles. Much better hitter when he doesn't sell out to try to generate that extra power he doesn't organically have any longer.


Yeah, that 35 Home runs and 110-120 RBIs that he is going to have by the time the season ends sure mean that he has become a "slap hitter". What a fool you are. Perhaps you should change your ID from IMU or My Favorite Poster and Hero to reflect that you are basically an example of IRRITATED BOWEL SYNDROME. :cry: :cry: :cry:

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He's back to his best approach of slapping the ball around. Good short swing, lots of singles. Much better hitter when he doesn't sell out to try to generate that extra power he doesn't organically have any longer.


Yeah, that 35 Home runs and 110-120 RBIs that he is going to have by the time the season ends sure mean that he has become a "slap hitter". What a fool you are. Perhaps you should change your ID from IMU or My Favorite Poster and Hero to reflect that you are basically an example of IRRITATED BOWEL SYNDROME. :cry: :cry: :cry:

That's actually kind of funny.

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