My NCAA 2006 Navy team made entirely of create a players begs to disagree.

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Spiral has a point . The under 25-30 crowd has fandom largely based on 2K games. And it's not on teams, but rather the bmoc of the day.

And honestly, DePaul and Loyola basketball suggest that your position is a little old man yelling at the clouds-ish.

As does Georgetown and Duke.

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No one cares who you root for. What matters is who wins. You can root for Purdue all you want but without better players it means nothing. There are a lot of people that root and Illini Orange but when they don't make the tournament it rings hollow.

You put Duke or Kentucky's typical recruiting class at HBCU schools and those schools dominate college basketball.

With said domination comes increased revenue and exposure. Thats her point.

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But they all stay a year and leave. They would never see the multi million dollar facilities they get to hang out in at a power five school. The under the table signing bonuses probably wont be as high either. As was pointed out by many on twitter, Jemele Hill went to Michigan St. and works for predominantly "white" media corporations. Sounds a lot like do as I say, not as I do.

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Wouldn’t HBCU being known for good athletics first just completely undermine everything that black Americans have been working centuries for? Would also undermine the academic pride that those schools have.

No it wouldn't. Again the only reason that the Duke's and Kentucky's are good is because they pay their players. HBCUS don't. They actually play by the student-athlete rules as established by the NCAA and they get screwed over because of it.

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We've been able to do both for parts of 150 years already. Halls of Fame and history books document that.. Our pride will be fine.

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If they are consistently replacing blue chip athletes with other blue chippers then it wouldn't much matter that they leave after 1 season. Just like it doesn't matter that one and dones happen at Duke and Kentucky each year.

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I think you guys are pretty naive to think that this change would only be positive for HBCUs and Black America as a whole.

Who said anything about Black America as a whole. It definitely would change the caliber of play at HBCUS. They would become relevant where they currently are not.

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Cutting out a corrupt set of middlemen helps. Duke, Rick Pitino and his types being cut out is a good thing. And a good start.

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You think they would be cut out? Who do you think runs college b-ball? The schools? The coaches?

Hardly the point of the article. If good players went to any school they would do better at sports.

I know who runs it, I just have no love for the current middlemen.

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Who does but why do you think that would change if the players went to HBCUs?

Thats her essential point. Her point has nothing to do with Segregation or uplifting the black race. Her argument pertains to elite players shunning HBCUs.

Her argument doesn't pertain to "all" blacks avoiding PWIs. Only elite athletes.

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The "elite" athlete can't. The elite athlete has elite responsibilities...to himself and his family. The elite athlete has to have elite facilities, elite trainers and coaches, elite opponents. Elite athletes now can have an agent and profit off his own image.

It's a nice thought and everything, lifting up struggling HBCUs, but let's not gloss over her segregationist tendencies that were evident in the article. If a black athlete isn't comfortable at a state university,
GET comfortable. Please Jemele, let's not make pussies out of Black America TOO.

The only reason that they choose PWIs is because they pay. Thats it and she is only concerned about elite athletes choosing PWIs over HBCUs.

If these athletes decide to avoid PWIs then the landscape of college athletics changes overnight. Particularly in basketball where you only need a few "great" players to be very good.

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You don't seem to understand where the money comes from in college sports. The Big Ten is by far the biggest money maker and it all has to do with fan base size and dedication in both football and basketball. Every Big Ten team makes more money on football games for television than Notre Dame makes from NBC. This already includes the fact the Big Ten has only one team(OSU football) that is a title contender consistently.

The SEC does well in football but as I pointed out they control college sports for a huge population too.

In terms of football the best case scenario seems to be a Boise State type team. Even with their great results it hasn't really changed things and no big conference wants them. In basketball you basically become Butler or Wichita State.

That is obviously better than what they are now but it would take decades to catch up in terms of facilities and far longer to catch up in terms of revenue even with great success on the court. Otherwise, you would see mid majors becoming equal to Duke and Kentucky and it just doesn't happen.

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Is that true? If so, why hasn't Notre Dame joined the Big Ten which is by far the most logical fit instead of becoming this quasi-ACC team while staying nominally and financially independent for football?

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What you don't seem to understand is that the powers in College sports all pay their players. Thats why top athletes attend.

If you remove the top athletes those schools become irrelevant. Duke doesn't have a huge enrollment yet they are the most recognized team in college basketball.

Why? Because they have a winning basketball program. No one cared about Duke til the mid 80's.

If you remove all of the bought and paid for talent then they become Harvard lite.

Place those players in HBCUs and then those schools become powers. Even if isn't to the level of current Duke they still will be big. Why? because they win and have future Hall of Fame NBA players on their roster.

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What you don't seem to understand is that there was a time (70's and early 80's) when Duke was a mid major

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What? Who the fuck are you talking to? I never said anything about Duke.

But what you're saying is obviously wrong. The idea of a "mid-major" didn't exist in the 70s. The whole conversation is about TV revenue and the popularity of college basketball which was driven by ESPN, the Big East, and the expanded tournament.

And I'm almost 100% certain based upon your idiotic post that you've never even heard of Dick Groat or Art Heyman.

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I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Elon, Tulsi, and Don

Basically it is because the ACC gave them an incredibly great deal to be a partial member in football. Notre Dame only has to play 5 ACC teams a year and they still get to television their home games. That means that they only do 2-3 road games a year against ACC teams. This keeps open 7 other games for them to schedule as they see fit. About a decade ago before this deal, Notre Dame decided they wanted to give themselves the best possible schedule by only playing 4 true road games a year with a good portion of those ending up as neutral site games anyways. For instance, in 2020, Notre Dame will play on the home field of an opponent only three times even with 6 games not at home. Now, it is theoretically possible that this would have happened if Notre Dame had joined the Big Ten it was far less likely. Also, the Big Ten requires a 9 game Big Ten schedule. Notre Dame always wants to play USC and Navy(because of tradition, and also because they basically play them at a neutral site on the road but always at home). So, that would leave 11 games per year that were taken every year. Also, Notre Dame loses the national network dedicated solely to them. They would make a lot more money but it probably isn't worth what they gave up. Right now, Notre Dame has by far the easiest path to the college football playoff. It's basically go 11-1 and they are in barring some crazy strength of schedule disadvantage with a team like Alabama. Even 10-2 gives them a shot.

So, basically Notre Dame didn't "need" the money so they traded it for other advantages. It also is pretty common knowledge that before that Notre Dame was afraid of being PSU 2.0 in the Big Ten. PSU joined the Big Ten thinking they would be the dominant national program they were and instead they've basically been on a tier below OSU and Michigan and maybe even Wisconsin and MSU. That is less likely to happen in the ACC but even if it did they can't even compete for the conference championship and only play at most 3 ACC teams "on the road" per year.

Realistically, the only reason that Notre Dame would join the Big Ten is if the college football playoff required you to win a conference championship game to be eligible but it is far more likely that they will simply extend it to 8 teams at some point and give automatic bids to the 5 major conference championship winners, and then guess what, Notre Dame at 10-2 becomes a virtual lock to make it every year.

I'm not blaming Notre Dame either in this. They put themselves in a position to be able to pull this off. The ACC probably shouldn't give them such a great deal but I guess they are doing what they think is best for them in getting their conference members a Notre Dame "home game" once every 6 years or so.

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You have no clue on how college sports work. I mean, everything in your post besides the first sentence is completely wrong.

Duke was a national power since the 1960s. Coach K took them to the top of college basketball but they were still nationally relevant. They were also a founding member of the ACC. Duke has just recently started having the top 1 and done players and a good argument could be made that their chase of those players has not worked. Kentucky was known for the 1 and done players and yet North Carolina and Duke still remained "relevant". All the while, titles are being won by teams without a reliance on one and done players like Virginia and Villanova.

But still, this gets down to the ultimate flaw in the plan. College sports fans aren't simply going from team to team. I don't care if Grambling goes 41-0 on the way to the national title just like I don't care if Duke does it or Kentucky does it or any other team does it and the true money in college sports is not simply who has the best team. If it was then Butler would be the most popular team in the state of Indiana based on their Final Four runs and Loyola would have become the most popular team in Chicago after their run.

What really shows how you have no clue is this line: "Even if isn't to the level of current Duke they still will be big. Why? because they win and have future Hall of Fame NBA players on their roster."

College sports fans aren't watching because of what a player may become years later or what they may accomplish there. Those who are looking for that just watch the NBA. As you have said many times, the NBA summer league is better than college basketball. So, it would stand to reason that the quality of a few players on Grambling isn't going to suddenly shift the college basketball world to massive television contracts.

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That was actually for Brick. But since you decided to chime in at the same time ESPN was televising Big East basketball they were also televising tractor pulls and no one gave a shit.

The players and competition of The Beast is what fueled its rise.

No one gave a shit about the Big East once they stopped paying for Hall of Fame caliber players.

When was the last time Georgetown has been relevant in College Basketball? Pitt? Seton Hall?

Its the players which drive the demand and nothing else. When you have future NBA All Stars people tend to care more.

If HBCUs started to attract such talent routinely, then people would start paying more attention to their programs also.

None of you are making much sense. If you remove marketable talent from blue blood programs then people stop watching.

If you think that people are going to come out en masse to watch the 800th ranked player in the country play basketball then you're stupid.

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I think there are more fans who follow their favorite schools, but I wouldn’t just brush aside basketball fans who enjoy watching the best players dominate during college.

Both sets of fans exist.

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Yes they have and if they weren't then Depaul would have been selling out for years.

Why isn't Northwestern a hot bed for basketball? Penn State?

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I think the closest parallel to this would be Liberty University, who is putting a massive amount of money into football trying to become the Notre Dame of the Crazy Christian population. It's been like a 20 year plan and they just joined the FBS and no one wants them in their conference. This is just them trying to move up as one team and not a whole conference like this would be.

So, this would be like a 30 year plan in football. It probably would be quicker in basketball.

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