You said Duke was a mid major. That is 100 percent false.

You're abusing the term "mid-major". There was no such thing in the 60s or 70s. That's a term that relates to conference power based upon television money that didn't exist when Oscar Robertson was playing at Cincinnati or when Rutgers made the Final Four.

The conference Record of Duke during the decade of the 70's (Coach K arrived in 1980) was 60-78

St. John's was a national power during the 80's. You don't know what you are talking about. Why? because they played a ton of nationally televised games. When they churned out NBA caliber players more people cared about them. If you think that people care about college basketball simply because its college basketball then you are mistaken. People care about watching quality college basketball teams play. I can give you a myriad of teams that were relevant 20-30 years that aren't (GT anyone) simply because they do not have star players anymore.

Again you don't know what you are talking about.

Team goes 60-78 over a ten year stretch and Brick still considers them to be a national power.

yet you think they were somehow a high major program.

Damn, you're a hardhead. You're misusing these terms just like you misuse "Never Trumper".

Team goes 60-78 over a ten year stretch and Brick still considers them to be a national power.

Do you have anything to suggest that they were a "high powered" program prior to Coach K's arrival? Trying to play the semantics game is a waste of my (a guy that actually knows of which he speaks) time. You are siding with a dude that made the rather fallacious argument that Duke was high powered program prior to Coach K's time and you are talking about misusage of terms. Its obvious who knows what they are talking about and who doesn't

Yes they have and if they weren't then Depaul would have been selling out for years.

Why isn't Northwestern a hot bed for basketball?

Penn State?

In the shadow of football
At a school where the football program captures the vast majority of media and fan interest, the basketball program has historically struggled for relevance. According to ESPN.com writer and Penn State graduate[2] Dana O'Neil,

“ For years the basketball team has been a little sister of the poor stepchild to football, a winter afterthought given all the tending and care of a vegetable garden positioned in the middle of a nuclear field. Administrative support waffles between tepid applause and casual indifference.[3] ”
In O'Neil's view, the "stepchild" status of the program was most starkly illustrated by the last weeks of the 2010–11 season. The team normally practices at a dedicated facility within the Jordan Center. However, for nearly a week in February, while the team was making a run for an NCAA at-large bid, Bon Jovi took over the entire BJC—including the practice facilities—for rehearsals for their upcoming concert tour, which opened at the BJC. The following week, the team was evicted from the BJC for a career fair[2] and for the Penn State IFC/Panhellenic Dance Marathon.[4] On both occasions, the team was forced to practice at the nearby Intramural Building, a facility normally used by Penn State's volleyball teams. Although retrofitted with basketball hoops, the space left much to be desired. Multiple holes for volleyball net stanchions had to be taped over. During the Bon Jovi rehearsals, the hoops had been visibly lower than regulation height. While this error was corrected the following week, one of the hoops remained visibly misaligned.[4]

Damn, you're a hardhead. You're misusing these terms just like you misuse "Never Trumper".

and another guy that uses stats claimed they were big time because of a few Final Four appearances?

Do you have anything to suggest that they were a "high powered" program prior to Coach K's arrival? Trying to play the semantics game is a waste of my (a guy that actually knows of which he speaks) time. You are siding with a dude that made the rather fallacious argument that Duke was high powered program prior to Coach K's time and you are talking about misusage of terms. Its obvious who knows what they are talking about and who doesn't

Its obvious who knows what they are talking about and who doesn't

I didn't say they were a national power.

Is Northwestern a mid major?

Yes they are. They are a mid major in a high major conference. Just because you play in a high major conference doesn't mean that you are a high major program. Northwestern has never been a high major program.

A high major program doesn't miss the NCAA tournament for the number of years that Northwestern did.

You do not know what a mid major means.

Do you want me to provide Duke's record in conf from about 1968-1985? Definitely nowhere near an elite program. St. John's only missed the NCAA tournament twice in 17 years. He said they were not a national power during those years. Sure they weren't.