Moncada is better, younger, cheaper and less of a retard. There is also nobody blocking Madrigal so the infield falls together almost perfectly.

Go back to Antarctica you piece of shit.

I didn't know you were back.

Timmay has proven to be a great hitter. He's also an absolute butcher at SS (defensively). Championship teams do not have butchers anchoring their infield at SS. I'd sell high on Timmay or enjoy him as a DH.

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I'm mad they didn't do more last offseason and are closing in on yet another 90 loss campaign. I don't really care that they didn't land Machado or Harper but goddam spend some coin and get some real players in here next year. Don't give me this Yonder Alonso type bullshit.

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Yes.

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Yes. On 2 fronts. 1) they refused to seal the deal when there were no other primetime bidders. 2) their bogus claims after they lost him. Reinsdorf was exposed and it makes me have zero faith he can ever land a big whale.

People can call it a blessing in disguise, that's fine, but we all know what went down.

Yes.

For as well as Moncada has played, he has to do it again next year for me to buy in completely. Same with Anderson.

Plus for the reasons Nardi and Frank said.

You can't trust the front office to commit in the future.

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Ok let me put it this way.

How would be feeling now if the Sox had five more wins right now, just plus Machado and his sub-.800 OPS? Also plus his 10 year $300m contract. Its a hypothetical that actually manages to have more despair than the status quo.

There's a lot to hate about the White Sox but missing out on Machado has been justified. That contract would be absolutely crippling, they would've used it as an excuse for the next ten years.

and they will let a guy like Moncada walk when he becomes too expensive

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Granted, an off year for Manny. But he's 27 and personally, I wouldn't be panicked right now if he was a Sock.

This likely isn't true. The Sox are not shy about paying guys once they've been in the organization a couple years. It is extremely likely that the money that would have gone to Machado is now going to be spent on Moncada and Giolito.

Not since Magglio have they let someone they really care about walk. Now part of this is the dearth of worthwhile players they've had rostered but the other part is that they really do take care of their own. I guess it's one of the few benefits of following a team that operates mostly based on sentimentality.

Comiskey was the perfect place for Machado to hit.

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What would have been likely, IMO, Machado at SS and Timmy in another city or in CF.

It would take an extraordinary set of outside circumstances to make we want a guy batting .250 over one batting .333. I don't care if I get called old fashioned for saying this.

The only acceptable answer.

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This pretty well sums it up. Machado would not have meant the difference between a successful rebuild and a failed rebuild, and his contract would have ham strung them for a decade. After picking him up they never would have signed anyone else of note. That being said, go out this off season and get a starting pitcher with a good post season track record.

First priority for me would be extensions. Giolito and Moncada need to be wrapped up while it can still be done at a reasonable cost. Next up would be McCann then I'd look at seeing if they could work one over on Kopech.

Next up would be a LH starter. I reckon they'll trade for one rather than sign one.

Then find some stopgap solution to LF, doesn't have to be outstanding just a guy who can play adequate defense and scrounge together a .300 obp.

Round it out with bullpen signings and a few lateral trades to shore up weak spots in the pen or maybe upgrade the rotation.

Basically attack next year with the hope that adding Kopech, Robert and Madrigal plus improvements from Rey Lopez and Cease is enough to couple with a bunch of minor moves to make a run at the division. Just abandon any delusion that they'll be in the running for Gerritt Cole or anyone on that level.

Ops is for nerds, he's playing in the biggest ballpark in MLB and his first year of a long term deal( most guys suck) pressured him into a GG at 3rd and 95 plus rbi.

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What are the chances they get one with an ERA under 5 or more than 10 wins?

I'd say zero.

The Sox never pay anyone unless it is a team friendly below market rate contract. Albert Belle is still their largest contract when adjusted for inflation and they have never given over 100 million.

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You lock them up to something not unlike what Bregman got. Save the leftovers for Kopech.


They will need to get creative or buy low since their trade assets are very limited. This is why its a bit of bummer they couldn't make anything out of this deadline, they could use one more top 100 prospect just as an asset.

Would have been nice.

Even tho his rookie season got shortened due to injury, I'd still be missed about Tatis Jr. more than Machado. he looks outright better than machado, as when he was healthy this year he was basically a ~.320ish 30/30 guy. Of course he managed two serious injuries this year (the first knocking him out for ~4-6 weeks, the second effectively ending his season in August or whatever) -- say what you will about $$$MACHADO$$$ but at least he's generally on the field.

But yeah to lose out on (the potential of?) Fernando Tatis Jr. because #SometimesYouJustGottaHaveJamesShields even tho he was a reclamation project at best = yeeeearrrghhhh. At least the Cubs can cite a #s game for soler (45HR and counting) or that they were going for a JORR-APPROVED WINNING PITCHER™®© in Quintana when they gave up Chips Eloy Jimenez (who looks like a pretty sure bet to reach 30HR in ~450ABs as a.rookie.when it's all said and.done)

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no reason to be sad. Like someone said, Machado (or any hitter) is worth maybe 5 wins alone.

Better bet is a stud starting pitcher, he alone pitching every 5th day can improve ur team by 8 wins, plus he makes the other pitchers better (bullpen rested more, etc.) Think Jon Lester in 2015.

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He has an opt out, which he will undoubtedly use. It was really only a five year deal...about the same time that any of these current players are coming into free agency.

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Both guys on the Sox left side of the infield have better numbers than Machado. FAR SUPERIOR even. Yes, the Sox are cheap. Yes, Reinsdorf is a dirtbag. Yes, the Sox came off poorly with everything. And yes, hindsight is always 20/20.

But sometimes the moves you don't make end up being the best moves for the team as a whole.

Don't be so sure about that opt out, GD. If he puts up .790 OPS and a 3 WAR like he has this season, he isn't going to get more money than he has already signed for.

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So you are banking on him continuing to have career lows between age 27-30?

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I don't care what Machado does as he is not on the team I root for.

I'm just saying that unless Machado puts up super star/MVP type numbers, he is not likely to get more money than he is already guaranteed to get should he stay in SD. All along the rumor was Machado wanted the $300mil guaranteed, and he got it. If he were going to bank on himself to get even more $ based on his performance, then why didn't he sign with the White Sox?

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Imagine how much people would be mocking Kenny for giving a massive contract and then him having a career worst year.

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