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Does any player in the NBA have this guy's back? WTF?



Nas just told you they don't have time. Who the fuck are you to demand which causes they support. You bigot!


You're a guy who never sees racism, sexism, bigotry, xenophobia, or even Islamophobia unless you are using it as a tool to attack an individual or an organization that you dislike. You dislike the activism of the players and the league for allowing it. It's the only reason you're even having this discussion. You don't give a crap about injustices in China or anywhere else.

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Did you consider the NBA particularly "woke" when they made the players wear suits so that the paying customers wouldn't think they were looking at pimps and drug dealers on the sidelines whenever they attended games?

Did you think they were "woke" when they turned a blind's eye to Sterling's bigotry and racism for years. Only deciding to do something about it because it became "bad for business"?

Do you think that they are particularly "woke" whenever they decide to fine a player for criticizing the referees?

They may be a tad more progressive than other leagues but that hardly makes them the progressive league.


Most of these guys don't give a shit. The country and the world is changing a little. Guys like MJ and others were afraid to speak out because they saw how activism destroyed or harmed the careers of athletes who came before and even saw how a guy like Chris Jackson (Can't spell his new name) was blackballed out of the league.

LeBron James took a chance. Regardless of how eloquent it was, he put his career on the line and spoke out. Others followed suit and the players and fans got a little power from that. That's why Sterling was finally banned. If not because of the social progress LeBron pushed for it would have been business as usual.


They tolerated Sterling's bigotry for decades and only took action when it became apparent that his bigotry was going to adversely effect the bottom line.


Agreed. I call that progress even if expediency is the reason why.

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He is in management thus there is less feeling of solidarity where he is concerned.


That's bullshit. Management spends 80% of the time kissing these guys' asses.


If you aren't Lebron they don't. Remember when they told them to put on suits they put on suits.

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Does any player in the NBA have this guy's back? WTF?



Nas just told you they don't have time. Who the fuck are you to demand which causes they support. You bigot!


The same guys that call out the players for speaking out on social issues are the same ones that are now criticizing them for "failing" to speak out on social issues. WYC?

That's not how I see it. It's an issue of "convenience", like all limousine liberal issues. When it cuts close to the bone, all bets are off.


How does Democracy in China effect the average NBA player? Answer is that it doesn't. Its not cutting close to anything. Its the owners that have more to lose and that is why the statement issued.

OK. I see your point.


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Speaking out against bigotry and injustice are left wing talking points? If you don't speak out against every injustice everywhere then you're a hypocrite? Who decides that? The people who are always silent and who are uncomfortable with social progress?


Okay. It's real heroic to move your All-Star game over a bathroom while stuffing your pockets with yuan and hanging Daryl Morey out to dry. Great social progress!


As a guy who doesn't give a crap about any social progress, how can YOU be critical of someone or an organization that isn't spraying to all fields? It literally impossible to be passionate about every cause or speak out against every single injustice in the world. The truth is, people like you still wouldn't give a shit. You'll just find another target.


I don't think you give a shit about much either. Other than jamming your opinions down people's throats and screaming "BIGOT!" at anyone who disagrees.


Other than praying for the return of 1956 for your last few decades of life, what do you really care about? It appears that you spend every moment of your day trying to sell that way of life to everyone who will listen and also trying to make white people fearful of everyone who doesn't think like you. You're lazy and an intellectual coward.


And you're incapable of making any argument. So you resort to constant ad hominem attacks.

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Nas wrote:
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Does any player in the NBA have this guy's back? WTF?



Nas just told you they don't have time. Who the fuck are you to demand which causes they support. You bigot!


You're a guy who never sees racism, sexism, bigotry, xenophobia, or even Islamophobia unless you are using it as a tool to attack an individual or an organization that you dislike. You dislike the activism of the players and the league for allowing it. It's the only reason you're even having this discussion. You don't give a crap about injustices in China or anywhere else.


Whatever. You know it all.

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It doesn't take too much courage to say "fuck you" to China.

Matt Stone and Trey Parker had no problem doing it last week.

https://www.indiewire.com/2019/10/south ... 202179241/

They'll take their band in China as a point of pride. I guess moral courage is too much to ask from players who sit out games because of the most minor of injuries




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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
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Does any player in the NBA have this guy's back? WTF?



Nas just told you they don't have time. Who the fuck are you to demand which causes they support. You bigot!


You're a guy who never sees racism, sexism, bigotry, xenophobia, or even Islamophobia unless you are using it as a tool to attack an individual or an organization that you dislike. You dislike the activism of the players and the league for allowing it. It's the only reason you're even having this discussion. You don't give a crap about injustices in China or anywhere else.


Whatever. You know it all.


Ad hominem attack? :lol:

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It doesn't take too much courage to say "fuck you" to China.

Matt Stone and Trey Parker had no problem doing it last week.

https://www.indiewire.com/2019/10/south ... 202179241/

They'll take their band in China as a point of pride. I guess moral courage is too much to ask from players who sit out games because of the most minor of injuries





Forgive me, but don't you live in the state of Wal-Mart? Much of that state and it's residents are funded by their Chinese dealings.

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Ogie Oglethorpe wrote:
It doesn't take too much courage to say "fuck you" to China.

Matt Stone and Trey Parker had no problem doing it last week.

https://www.indiewire.com/2019/10/south ... 202179241/

They'll take their band in China as a point of pride. I guess moral courage is too much to ask from players who sit out games because of the most minor of injuries





Forgive me, but don't you live in the state of Wal-Mart? Much of that state and it's residents are funded by their Chinese dealings.

I've been critical of Trump's trade war, largely for how ill thought out and executed it has been. However, one good side-effect of it has been that it is forcing global companies to re-think and diversify their supply chain so that they are no longer dependent upon 1 country for their manufacturing needs.

What troubles me more is how high tech companies (Google, Twitter, FB, etc.) are willing to bend their knee to China. Especially when those companies have such an ability to control and limit free expression.

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It doesn't take too much courage to say "fuck you" to China.

Matt Stone and Trey Parker had no problem doing it last week.

https://www.indiewire.com/2019/10/south ... 202179241/

They'll take their band in China as a point of pride. I guess moral courage is too much to ask from players who sit out games because of the most minor of injuries





Forgive me, but don't you live in the state of Wal-Mart? Much of that state and it's residents are funded by their Chinese dealings.

I've been critical of Trump's trade war, largely for how ill thought out and executed it has been. However, one good side-effect of it has been that it is forcing global companies to re-think and diversify their supply chain so that they are no longer dependent upon 1 country for their manufacturing needs.

What troubles me more is how high tech companies (Google, Twitter, FB, etc.) are willing to bend their knee to China. Especially when those companies have such an ability to control and limit free expression.

Willing to bend their knee? They hand over their technology. More like willing to bend over


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Does any player in the NBA have this guy's back? WTF?



Nas just told you they don't have time. Who the fuck are you to demand which causes they support. You bigot!


You're a guy who never sees racism, sexism, bigotry, xenophobia, or even Islamophobia unless you are using it as a tool to attack an individual or an organization that you dislike. You dislike the activism of the players and the league for allowing it. It's the only reason you're even having this discussion. You don't give a crap about injustices in China or anywhere else.


Whatever. You know it all.


Ad hominem attack? :lol:


Is that funny?

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Ogie Oglethorpe wrote:
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It doesn't take too much courage to say "fuck you" to China.

Matt Stone and Trey Parker had no problem doing it last week.

https://www.indiewire.com/2019/10/south ... 202179241/

They'll take their band in China as a point of pride. I guess moral courage is too much to ask from players who sit out games because of the most minor of injuries


Forgive me, but don't you live in the state of Wal-Mart? Much of that state and it's residents are funded by their Chinese dealings.

I've been critical of Trump's trade war, largely for how ill thought out and executed it has been. However, one good side-effect of it has been that it is forcing global companies to re-think and diversify their supply chain so that they are no longer dependent upon 1 country for their manufacturing needs.

What troubles me more is how high tech companies (Google, Twitter, FB, etc.) are willing to bend their knee to China. Especially when those companies have such an ability to control and limit free expression.


I agree with your sentiment here, it still doesn't acknowledge that you happily moved to a state largely dependent on the Chinese government. Bash tech/media/entertainment companies all you'd like, you live someplace that is kind of ground zero for creating the kleptocracy that is our worst trading power and I've never heard you once criticize your home state's patron.

But get hot and bothered enough to post when it's the NBA?

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Does any player in the NBA have this guy's back? WTF?



Nas just told you they don't have time. Who the fuck are you to demand which causes they support. You bigot!


You're a guy who never sees racism, sexism, bigotry, xenophobia, or even Islamophobia unless you are using it as a tool to attack an individual or an organization that you dislike. You dislike the activism of the players and the league for allowing it. It's the only reason you're even having this discussion. You don't give a crap about injustices in China or anywhere else.


Whatever. You know it all.


Ad hominem attack? :lol:


Is that funny?


Yes, especially after you accused him of that in the post immediately preceding it. What can I say, I'm occasionally easily amused.

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I'm always surprised when that show pops up. I'd never have thought it, or another predictive show like The Simpsons would still be on air. And frankly, Trump and his supporters are fairly open to the idea of banning both of them & SNL it seems.

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Speaking out against bigotry and injustice are left wing talking points? If you don't speak out against every injustice everywhere then you're a hypocrite? Who decides that? The people who are always silent and who are uncomfortable with social progress?


Okay. It's real heroic to move your All-Star game over a bathroom while stuffing your pockets with yuan and hanging Daryl Morey out to dry. Great social progress!


As a guy who doesn't give a crap about any social progress, how can YOU be critical of someone or an organization that isn't spraying to all fields? It literally impossible to be passionate about every cause or speak out against every single injustice in the world. The truth is, people like you still wouldn't give a shit. You'll just find another target.


I don't think you give a shit about much either. Other than jamming your opinions down people's throats and screaming "BIGOT!" at anyone who disagrees.


Other than praying for the return of 1956 for your last few decades of life, what do you really care about? It appears that you spend every moment of your day trying to sell that way of life to everyone who will listen and also trying to make white people fearful of everyone who doesn't think like you. You're lazy and an intellectual coward.


And you're incapable of making any argument. So you resort to constant ad hominem attacks.


What argument are you making? Activist players who are protesting things in America that I don't care about also aren't protesting something in China that I don't care about? Your fragile ego is EASILY bruised whenever your opinion is challenged in any way. Instead of making an argument you resort to accusing someone of saying something that they've literally never said or false claims to the gallery that someone is labeling you. Anything to distract.

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I agree with your sentiment here, it still doesn't acknowledge that you happily moved to a state largely dependent on the Chinese government. Bash tech/media/entertainment companies all you'd like, you live someplace that is kind of ground zero for creating the kleptocracy that is our worst trading power and I've never heard you once criticize your home state's patron.

But get hot and bothered enough to post when it's the NBA?


If you live in Arkansas, do not speak about the NBA.

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I agree with your sentiment here, it still doesn't acknowledge that you happily moved to a state largely dependent on the Chinese government. Bash tech/media/entertainment companies all you'd like, you live someplace that is kind of ground zero for creating the kleptocracy that is our worst trading power and I've never heard you once criticize your home state's patron.

But get hot and bothered enough to post when it's the NBA?


If you live in Arkansas, do not speak about the NBA.


Non sequitur alert!

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I agree with your sentiment here, it still doesn't acknowledge that you happily moved to a state largely dependent on the Chinese government. Bash tech/media/entertainment companies all you'd like, you live someplace that is kind of ground zero for creating the kleptocracy that is our worst trading power and I've never heard you once criticize your home state's patron.

But get hot and bothered enough to post when it's the NBA?


If you live in Arkansas, do not speak about the NBA.


Non sequitur alert!


He's just getting started.

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What argument are you making? Activist players who are protesting things in America that I don't care about also aren't protesting something in China that I don't care about? Your fragile ego is bruised whenever your opinion is challenged in any way. Instead of making an argument you resort to accusing someone of saying something that they've literally never said or false claims to the gallery that someone is labeling you. Anything to distract.


1) The same argument many others in this thread are making. You have a league that often claims to be a force for progress and many voices that are supposedly so progressive, yet when one of their colleagues expresses support for people in Hong Kong being crushed under the heel of a dictator's boot, those voices are suddenly silent and the league issues what amounts to an admonishment to the GM and an apology for the totalitarian state.

2) You're not challenging my opinion. You're insulting me and calling me a bigot. That doesn't really upset me. Unlike you I understand I can't control the thoughts of others. You're going to think what you want to think whether I like it or not. That's fine. But don't pretend you're doing anything here other than name-calling.

3) I will ask you to stop telling me what I do and don't care about.

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I agree with your sentiment here, it still doesn't acknowledge that you happily moved to a state largely dependent on the Chinese government. Bash tech/media/entertainment companies all you'd like, you live someplace that is kind of ground zero for creating the kleptocracy that is our worst trading power and I've never heard you once criticize your home state's patron.

But get hot and bothered enough to post when it's the NBA?


If you live in Arkansas, do not speak about the NBA.


Non sequitur alert!


That's literally what you said. And instead you try to blur it. Don't speak about the NBA without discussing Arkansas first. The thread is about the NBA. It's a bullshit argument.

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Just some dirty business that should be condemned.

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The NBA distanced itself from Mr Morey’s comment, issuing official statements in English and Chinese. The English apology said it was “regrettable” that Chinese fans had been offended, but added “the values of the league support individuals’ educating themselves and sharing views on matters important to them”.

However, the Chinese statement appeared to condemn Mr Morey’s tweet more strongly, saying the NBA was “extremely disappointed by the inappropriate comment” and that “he has undoubtedly seriously hurt the feelings of Chinese basketball fans”.

The references to “inappropriate” and “hurt feelings” are considered significant, as they were seen to echo language often used by Chinese officials to describe cultural gaffes by foreign groups.


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I agree with your sentiment here, it still doesn't acknowledge that you happily moved to a state largely dependent on the Chinese government. Bash tech/media/entertainment companies all you'd like, you live someplace that is kind of ground zero for creating the kleptocracy that is our worst trading power and I've never heard you once criticize your home state's patron.

But get hot and bothered enough to post when it's the NBA?


If you live in Arkansas, do not speak about the NBA.


Non sequitur alert!


That's literally what you said. And instead you try to blur it. Don't speak about the NBA without discussing Arkansas first. The thread is about the NBA. It's a bullshit argument.


Something tells me that you are a foremost expert when it comes to making bullshit arguments.

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What argument are you making? Activist players who are protesting things in America that I don't care about also aren't protesting something in China that I don't care about? Your fragile ego is bruised whenever your opinion is challenged in any way. Instead of making an argument you resort to accusing someone of saying something that they've literally never said or false claims to the gallery that someone is labeling you. Anything to distract.


1) The same argument many others in this thread are making. You have a league that often claims to be a force for progress and many voices that are supposedly so progressive, yet when one of their colleagues expresses support for people in Hong Kong being crushed under the heel of a dictator's boot, those voices are suddenly silent and the league issues what amounts to an admonishment to the GM and an apology for the totalitarian state.

2) You're not challenging my opinion. You're insulting me and calling me a bigot. That doesn't really upset me. Unlike you I understand I can't control the thoughts of others. You're going to think what you want to think whether I like it or not. That's fine. But don't pretend you're doing anything here other than name-calling.

3) I will ask you to stop telling me what I do and don't care about.


All this happens to be is a silly attempt at a gotcha moment for people that couldn't care less about the NBA.

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What argument are you making? Activist players who are protesting things in America that I don't care about also aren't protesting something in China that I don't care about? Your fragile ego is bruised whenever your opinion is challenged in any way. Instead of making an argument you resort to accusing someone of saying something that they've literally never said or false claims to the gallery that someone is labeling you. Anything to distract.


1) The same argument many others in this thread are making. You have a league that often claims to be a force for progress and many voices that are supposedly so progressive, yet when one of their colleagues expresses support for people in Hong Kong being crushed under the heel of a dictator's boot, those voices are suddenly silent and the league issues what amounts to an admonishment to the GM and an apology for the totalitarian state.

2) You're not challenging my opinion. You're insulting me and calling me a bigot. That doesn't really upset me. Unlike you I understand I can't control the thoughts of others. You're going to think what you want to think whether I like it or not. That's fine. But don't pretend you're doing anything here other than name-calling.

3) I will ask you to stop telling me what I do and don't care about.


All this happens to be is a silly attempt at a gotcha moment for people that couldn't care less about the NBA.


I disagree. It happens to be the NBA, which admittedly I care little about, but if MLB did the same thing I would find it just as distasteful, perhaps more so. The NBA's flag-waving on social issues, makes it seem more hypocritical than if another league took the same position. We don't play in Carolina because of bathrooms but we have no probably partnering with China while they shoot people in the streets of Hong Kong. You really don't think that's something worth discussing?

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I agree with your sentiment here, it still doesn't acknowledge that you happily moved to a state largely dependent on the Chinese government. Bash tech/media/entertainment companies all you'd like, you live someplace that is kind of ground zero for creating the kleptocracy that is our worst trading power and I've never heard you once criticize your home state's patron.

But get hot and bothered enough to post when it's the NBA?


If you live in Arkansas, do not speak about the NBA.


Non sequitur alert!


That's literally what you said. And instead you try to blur it. Don't speak about the NBA without discussing Arkansas first. The thread is about the NBA. It's a bullshit argument.


First, it's apparent that you have no idea of the meaning of the word "literally". To no one's surprise. And since you want to play board asshat (as usual), I'm only suggesting consistency. Something you display around here only when three particular posters have the temerity to post in threads like these. Although I'm sure that you'd prefer describing it as their arrogance.

Perhaps you can do us all a favor and go play in traffic, or just leave the board again because you can't use certain words around here. Ever notice how virtually everyone else here can have earnest disagreements without exposing their a-hole tendencies in every thread? Except guys like you. And then you whine about it.

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
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Nas wrote:
What argument are you making? Activist players who are protesting things in America that I don't care about also aren't protesting something in China that I don't care about? Your fragile ego is bruised whenever your opinion is challenged in any way. Instead of making an argument you resort to accusing someone of saying something that they've literally never said or false claims to the gallery that someone is labeling you. Anything to distract.


1) The same argument many others in this thread are making. You have a league that often claims to be a force for progress and many voices that are supposedly so progressive, yet when one of their colleagues expresses support for people in Hong Kong being crushed under the heel of a dictator's boot, those voices are suddenly silent and the league issues what amounts to an admonishment to the GM and an apology for the totalitarian state.

2) You're not challenging my opinion. You're insulting me and calling me a bigot. That doesn't really upset me. Unlike you I understand I can't control the thoughts of others. You're going to think what you want to think whether I like it or not. That's fine. But don't pretend you're doing anything here other than name-calling.

3) I will ask you to stop telling me what I do and don't care about.


All this happens to be is a silly attempt at a gotcha moment for people that couldn't care less about the NBA.


I disagree. It happens to be the NBA, which admittedly I care little about, but if MLB did the same thing I would find it just as distasteful, perhaps more so. The NBA's flag-waving on social issues, makes it seem more hypocritical than if another league took the same position. We don't play in Carolina because of bathrooms but we have no probably partnering with China while they shoot people in the streets of Hong Kong. You really don't think that's something worth discussing?


How willing are you are extreme hypocrite to discuss instances of other nations that comment human rights atrocities? I dare say not. The NBA flag waves over issues that effect Americans. I don't recall instances of them commenting about abuses that occur in other nations.

As previously stated this was done at an ownership and not player level. They made the call as to what Silver had to say.

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