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It aint the six minutes. Its what happens in those six minutes.

Agree .

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Proud member of the white guy grievance committee

It aint the six minutes. Its what happens in those six minutes.

and I understand how the criticisms of JR would raise the ire of people in Chicago's jewish community because they are consistent with ancient stereotypes but you also cannot deny some of the facts of his ownership and his apparent incentives

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O judgment! Thou art fled to brutish beasts,
And men have lost their reason.

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Just because an owner has rings, doesn't make him immune from criticism. Jerry Jones has three Super Bowls and a billion dollar stadium, and he still takes heat. Even though they seem to be in the middle of an 8-peat, even Robert Kraft catches shit.

Jerry has won more titles than anyone in Chicago history not named Halas, but he has also done things to alienate and, quite frankly, piss off his team's fans. You would be hard pressed to find an owner who's teams have a worse winning percentage than the Sox and Bulls have had over the past 3, 4, 5 seasons.

Kind of like how the Bears defense is great, Nas, but also not immune from getting blamed for things as well.

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I don't know why people don't see this or why they forget this. Piersall was even more of a national figure than Harry at that point, yet he canned them both. Great!! Fire the guy who appears on Letterman and has a best-selling book. Sportsvision was a fiasco. I know Eddie Einhorn is revered today by the money faction in sports, but he was a tactless jagoff with zero understanding of Sox fandom, or perhaps any fandom. Their treatment of Fisk was abysmal.

Basically, everything dolphin said, plus all the guys the Sox refused to sign (or refused to sign for more than a year) and all the schlubs they brought in cheaply to help the team, not to mention all of the inexperienced managers he keeps foisting on us.

He did keep the team in Bridgeport, for better or worse.

The number of owners with more than one World Series title in their lifetime is pretty small though.

I think his management of the White Sox since 2009 has been poor but that won't be his legacy with the White Sox.

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

His legacy (to fans) is the stadium.

Jerry is no angel but does not deserve as bad as he gets. And yes the list of owners with zero WS wins is a long one. Begin with the Tribune Company and go from there.

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What the....Ima pay dolphin to take down pittmike next.

Excellent assessment

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An Ode to the Texas man who shot an Antifa terrorist:

Oh, he might have went on livin'
But he made one fatal slip
When he tried to match the Ranger
With the big iron on his hip

Raw Deal Ricky had experience!

The Sox have so much land they should do more with it. Put grass over half of a lot on the north side of the park. Get a playground out there, have bean bags set up. Put a hotdog and/or beer stand out there on game days. Have Southpaw out there for an hour now and then. Have a former or current player (or Hawk) out there to sign things and take pictures now and then. Make it a true public yet White Sox centric park and family experience that can be used on almost every non-game day from April until Ocotber/November when the weather turns. Take a million dollars and build a couple of concrete ramps so the Metra Southwest Service can stop there on game days/nights.

You could make Lot G (north of 35th, west of the tracks under the viaduct) an alcohol free family lot where kids can run around and play catch while parents can still tailgate. Charge $10 to park there, $5 if its a family with kids.

More or less copy what the Cubs are doing on the Northside. I know that Wrigley is a 'shrine' and that neighborhood has a lot more to offer than Bridgeport. But that doesn't mean that Bridgeport is a war zone. There is Turtles, and Cork at the Park and other places nearby that have things going on. Partner with those place and run a shuttle bus on Opening Day and weekends to get a few more asses in the seats. Cater to families and kids because then when the kids grow up they will be Sox fans. The Cubs could be in for a few rough or bad years, so now is the time to strike. Jerry failed to do this after 2005. Don't fail again.

Improve a few areas outside the park and improve what happens in between the baselines in the park, and the Sox can be a force in this city again regardless of how bad Jerry's past transgressions have been.

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Yes he does.

I like him for what he does for his employees from a personal standpoint, but as a fan he is terrible.

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When Jerry Reinsdorf croaks, I will make sure I am at the next home game just so that I boo through his moment of silence.

I was there in 2007 to do it to Wirtz and I have no regrets. The entire arena booed through that one.

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“When I walked in this morning, and saw the flag was at half mast, I thought 'alright another bureaucrat ate it.'" - Ron Swanson

He absolutely had baseball missteps organizationally and on the field. How many generations does it have to go on and on about the stadium or sportsvision? I guess the answer is when he dies. In my book not only did 2005 clean the slate but those 90s teams with all our favorites that got cock blocked by either Cleveland or the Twins was very competitive and done the right way. Of course, the strike blah blah.

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It seemed like Jerry was pretty interested in breaking up that bulls team.

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http://soundcloud.com/darkside124 HOF 2013, MM Champion 2014

I think if they ever made a movie about a cheap and selfish baseball owner, it would be about Jerry Reinsdork.

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An Ode to the Texas man who shot an Antifa terrorist:

Oh, he might have went on livin'
But he made one fatal slip
When he tried to match the Ranger
With the big iron on his hip

That says a lot more about you than him.

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Yup.

The good posts in this thread today just keep coming. Apart from that sumbitch pittmike, that is.

You left one other thing off the “ got cock blocked by “ list . Their own fucking owner .

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It aint the six minutes. Its what happens in those six minutes.

That probably is the best comp, Wirtz. I vaguely recall either him or Reinsdorf with this second place business. If I remember it right though it was about Jerry saying a business guy would think that but a fan of the game owner would not be able to put feelings aside to do that.

An example of the wildcard/second place goal owner is right here in Pittsburgh owing the Pirates.

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Nearly 20,000 people booed through that one.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GEHxmxXDhhM&t=15s

Even his own son, Rocky, said in a 2008 article that his father pretty much deserved it and joked that Tallon deserved "hazard pay" for being the one to give the speech.

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“When I walked in this morning, and saw the flag was at half mast, I thought 'alright another bureaucrat ate it.'" - Ron Swanson

He didn't do much to help the 90s teams. 90-92, he signed over-the-hill bats and Bo "Useless" Jackson. (In other ways, that was a good signing because it gave the Sox lots of exposure.) He would not get a second baseman or right fielder and brought in Charlie Hough to shore up the rotation. I say all of this as a Bigfan of Mike.

The World Series felt really good, though.

There is no comparison to Wirtz. Jerry was a great owner. His management of the White Sox has been bad since 2009.

I get the frustration with him given the poor results of the White Sox since 2009 and the Bulls struggling the last 4 years but it doesn't erase just how good he was as an owner.

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

The front office blamed the fans just this year. I could research a very long history of Sox hostility towards their patrons under JR. That attitude starts from the top

I vaguely remember the head PR person for the Sox basically telling some kid to piss off for asking the guy if he could get his ball signed by a player. He kept his job.

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O judgment! Thou art fled to brutish beasts,
And men have lost their reason.

I guess I must be in the right position neighborhood to get Rick and Tommy disagreeing with me on parts of my takes.

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I didn't say a word about Wirtz.

I said you already planning to be at the game following Jerry's death solely to boo him says way more about you than Jerry. And I'm right. AND IT SHALL REMAIN THAT WAY.

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Mully is perturbed at Bernstein's defense of Reinsdorf's comments.

You son of a...those 90s teams are exactly what Sampson is talking about when he said JR designed his teams to finish in second place. That was the decade where being devoted to spending would have run that division into the ground.

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O judgment! Thou art fled to brutish beasts,
And men have lost their reason.

MIke and BRick...always in lockstep agreement