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When Jerry Reinsdorf croaks, I will make sure I am at the next home game just so that I boo through his moment of silence.
That says a lot more about you than him.

Nearly 20,000 people booed through that one.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GEHxmxXDhhM&t=15s

Even his own son, Rocky, said in a 2008 article that his father pretty much deserved it and joked that Tallon deserved "hazard pay" for being the one to give the speech.
I didn't say a word about Wirtz.

I said you already planning to be at the game following Jerry's death solely to boo him says way more about you than Jerry. And I'm right. AND IT SHALL REMAIN THAT WAY.

When he croaks, the entire ballpark will boo, and rightfully so. Under that jack-ass's ownership of nearly 40 years, there have been only 5 postseason appearances. That is with them increasing the available slots in the AL from 2 to 4 and then to 5.

He took the Sox off of OTA TV and put them on SportsVision, a move that can only be compared to what Wirtz did with the Hawks home blackouts. That move single handledly turned Chicago from a Sox-Cubs 50/50 split or even a slightly leaning Sox city into becoming the Cubs city it is today. The damage that son of a b*tch did to this franchise will take generations to undo.

You bet your ass I'll boo his moment of silence. I'll have tens of thousands joining me too.

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 Post subject: Re: Jerry Reinsdorf
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Mully is perturbed at Bernstein's defense of Reinsdorf's comments.


like I said, I get it. I didn't want to hear that Andrew Golata was a big, dumb, blunt instrument only good for hard labor...then I met him

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 Post subject: Re: Jerry Reinsdorf
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He also fired LaRussa (well, we know who did the actual firing) and by 1986, was already someone the fans disliked.

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Pick your two favorite pro sports teams. Do you think those two teams over the next 40 years will combine for 7 championships?

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You keep missing the point entirely Oogie. Its not the booing of Jerry that is the issue. It's the fact that you are already making your plans for how and when to boo him.

Booing during a moment of silence for anyone (within reason) is classless, imo. But its a free country, do what you want.

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Booing during a moment of silence for anyone is classless, imo. But its a free country, do what you want.


We need to hear from China if he can do that.

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Pick your two favorite pro sports teams. Do you think those two teams over the next 40 years will combine for 7 championships?

Sure, if they back into having Michael Jordan.


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 Post subject: Re: Jerry Reinsdorf
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You keep missing the point entirely Oogie. Its not the booing of Jerry that is the issue. It's the fact that you are already making your plans for how and when to boo him.

Booing during a moment of silence for anyone (within reason) is classless, imo. But its a free country, do what you want.

If he wants to open up his pocket book and spend on some pitching, I'll reconsider, but I have 40 years of history to tell me that this jackass won't do that. He'll do a repeat of what he did last winter and pretend to go after free agents only to finish 2nd in the bidding behind some middling mid-market team like the Padres.

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Pick your two favorite pro sports teams. Do you think those two teams over the next 40 years will combine for 7 championships?


Again, his ownership of the Sox is independent of his ownership of the Bulls.

The Bulls fan experience is second to none and has been from the beginning. He designed a pretty great stadium that has effectively kept that is a staple of the neighborhood. He won six championships.

I wouldn't say the two are night and day but they are different...and guess what sport JR is much more hands on with?

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Pick your two favorite pro sports teams. Do you think those two teams over the next 40 years will combine for 7 championships?

Sure, if they back into having Michael Jordan.
For that to be fair, you have to take away any championship(s) won with the best player they had.

Hopefully Robert Kraft finally wins a title that counts.

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good dolphin wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Pick your two favorite pro sports teams. Do you think those two teams over the next 40 years will combine for 7 championships?


Again, his ownership of the Sox is independent of his ownership of the Bulls.

The Bulls fan experience is second to none and has been from the beginning. He designed a pretty great stadium that has effectively kept that is a staple of the neighborhood. He won six championships.

I wouldn't say the two are night and day but they are different...and guess what sport JR is much more hands on with?
Even with that, he has been at worst an average baseball owner, and winning one title pretty much locks him into that even with a poor last decade.

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Pick your two favorite pro sports teams. Do you think those two teams over the next 40 years will combine for 7 championships?

Sure, if they back into having Michael Jordan.
For that to be fair, you have to take away any championship(s) won with the best player they had.

Hopefully Robert Kraft finally wins a title that counts.

That doesn't work because the Patriots acquired Brady under Kraft's ownership.

The Bulls already had MJ when Reinsdorf bought them.

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He's terrible. 40 years, 1 title, like 3 playoffs. nearly last in attendance and viewership most of the time.

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
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Pick your two favorite pro sports teams. Do you think those two teams over the next 40 years will combine for 7 championships?


Again, his ownership of the Sox is independent of his ownership of the Bulls.

The Bulls fan experience is second to none and has been from the beginning. He designed a pretty great stadium that has effectively kept that is a staple of the neighborhood. He won six championships.

I wouldn't say the two are night and day but they are different...and guess what sport JR is much more hands on with?
Even with that, he has been at worst an average baseball owner, and winning one title pretty much locks him into that even with a poor last decade.

He's in a division with a bunch of mid-market midgets who don't spend on free agents and consistently lose every good player they develop to free agency. He has no excuse not to be in contention for the division every year.

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He's terrible. 40 years, 1 title, like 3 playoffs. nearly last in attendance and viewership most of the time.

also he literally sabotaged a team that was a title contender in 1994.

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Ogie Oglethorpe wrote:
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tommy wrote:
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Pick your two favorite pro sports teams. Do you think those two teams over the next 40 years will combine for 7 championships?

Sure, if they back into having Michael Jordan.
For that to be fair, you have to take away any championship(s) won with the best player they had.

Hopefully Robert Kraft finally wins a title that counts.

That doesn't work because the Patriots acquired Brady under Kraft's ownership.

The Bulls already had MJ when Reinsdorf bought them.
That seems pretty arbitrary. If MJ was such a sure thing then Jerry was a genius for buying the team just as he was getting started.

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Ogie Oglethorpe wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
tommy wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Pick your two favorite pro sports teams. Do you think those two teams over the next 40 years will combine for 7 championships?

Sure, if they back into having Michael Jordan.
For that to be fair, you have to take away any championship(s) won with the best player they had.

Hopefully Robert Kraft finally wins a title that counts.

That doesn't work because the Patriots acquired Brady under Kraft's ownership.

The Bulls already had MJ when Reinsdorf bought them.
That seems pretty arbitrary. If MJ was such a sure thing then Jerry was a genius for buying the team just as he was getting started.

Well no one is disputing that Reinsdorf is a good businessman

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
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Pick your two favorite pro sports teams. Do you think those two teams over the next 40 years will combine for 7 championships?


Again, his ownership of the Sox is independent of his ownership of the Bulls.

The Bulls fan experience is second to none and has been from the beginning. He designed a pretty great stadium that has effectively kept that is a staple of the neighborhood. He won six championships.

I wouldn't say the two are night and day but they are different...and guess what sport JR is much more hands on with?
Even with that, he has been at worst an average baseball owner, and winning one title pretty much locks him into that even with a poor last decade.


You'll have to support that position with some facts. Sure 1/38 is better than 0/? but how many other owners have had that amount of opportunity to succeed. Tease team success ratio out beyond WS titles and the record really starts to come into focus. Even in the division the Twins, Royals, Tigers and Indians have all had an identifiable period of supremacy in the division over the last 40 years. The Sox have never won back to back division titles

Without any research and just off the top of my head over the last 40 years: they Royals have appeared in 2+ WS; The Twins 2+; The Indians 1 which they would have won but for a magical incantation to the rain gods; The Tigers at least one.

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good dolphin wrote:
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Pick your two favorite pro sports teams. Do you think those two teams over the next 40 years will combine for 7 championships?


Again, his ownership of the Sox is independent of his ownership of the Bulls.

The Bulls fan experience is second to none and has been from the beginning. He designed a pretty great stadium that has effectively kept that is a staple of the neighborhood. He won six championships.

I wouldn't say the two are night and day but they are different...and guess what sport JR is much more hands on with?
Even with that, he has been at worst an average baseball owner, and winning one title pretty much locks him into that even with a poor last decade.


You'll have to support that position with some facts. Sure 1/38 is better than 0/? but how many other owners have had that amount of opportunity to succeed. Tease team success ratio out beyond WS titles and the record really starts to come into focus. Even in the division the Twins, Royals, Tigers and Indians have all had an identifiable period of supremacy in the division over the last 40 years. The Sox have never won back to back division titles

As Jermaine Dye said, the A's were never worried about the White Sox because the White Sox never made the playoffs. The team that caught their attention was the Twins, who once again are in the playoffs. The division has basically been the Tribe and Twins show, with some interludes by KC and Detroit.

That's pathetic.


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Even in the division the Twins, Royals, Tigers and Indians have all had an identifiable period of supremacy in the division over the last 40 years. The Sox have never won back to back division titles
In the WC era, the Royals have not won back to back divisions.

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Even in the division the Twins, Royals, Tigers and Indians have all had an identifiable period of supremacy in the division over the last 40 years. The Sox have never won back to back division titles
In the WC era, the Royals have not won back to back divisions.

But they won back to back pennants


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Frank Coztansa wrote:
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Even in the division the Twins, Royals, Tigers and Indians have all had an identifiable period of supremacy in the division over the last 40 years. The Sox have never won back to back division titles
In the WC era, the Royals have not won back to back divisions.


38 years

but more importantly, they played in back to back WS. That is an identifiable period of supremacy.

Edit: just looked it up. In the last 38 years KC has 3 WS appearances but appeared in a 4th in '80, the year before JR

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You'll have to support that position with some facts. Sure 1/38 is better than 0/? but how many other owners have had that amount of opportunity to succeed. Tease team success ratio out beyond WS titles and the record really starts to come into focus. Even in the division the Twins, Royals, Tigers and Indians have all had an identifiable period of supremacy in the division over the last 40 years. The Sox have never won back to back division titles
Admittedly I'm placing a high value on actually winning the World Series. In terms of playoff appearances and sustained success I don't think the White Sox can compete well with the Twins and Indians in terms of regular season success.

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Even in the division the Twins, Royals, Tigers and Indians have all had an identifiable period of supremacy in the division over the last 40 years. The Sox have never won back to back division titles
In the WC era, the Royals have not won back to back divisions.

The Royals have been in the postseason in back-to-back years (2014-2015)

The White Sox have never done that, even with expanded playoff opportunities.


They could have in 1994, but you'll never guess what Uncle Jerry did that year.

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In the last 38 years:

KC: 3 WS appearances and 2 titles
Twins: 2 appearances 2 titles
Tigers: 3 appearances 1 title
Indians: 3 appearances 0 titles because of Jason Heyward's magic

The JR record looks far worse than I imagined after a little research.

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the lack of playoff appearances is unbelievably bad considering how easy it is to make the playoffs over the past 20 years or so. In the weakest division in baseball!

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In the last 38 years:

KC: 3 WS appearances and 2 titles
Twins: 2 appearances 2 titles
Tigers: 3 appearances 1 title
Indians: 3 appearances 0 titles because of Jason Heyward's magic

The JR record looks far worse than I imagined after a little research.

It pisses me off more because Cleveland and Minnesota have been able to to rebuild multiple times and then enjoy more sustained success.


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In the last 38 years:

KC: 3 WS appearances and 2 titles
Twins: 2 appearances 2 titles
Tigers: 3 appearances 1 title
Indians: 3 appearances 0 titles because of Jason Heyward's magic

The JR record looks far worse than I imagined after a little research.
:lol: The Twins haven't won a playoff game since like 2002 or something like that. They just got swept by the Yankees....again. The Tigers won the World Series in '84, and the Royals in '85. How many WS appearances do those teams have since 1990? The Braves won 74 Division Titles in a row, yet have the same amount of World Series rings as Jerry. Would you rather division titles and Wild Card games, or Championships?

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The Royals have been in the postseason in back-to-back years (2014-2015)
And those are the only two playoff appearances they have had since 1985. Let's not pretend that they were some juggernaut. They had a young core that got real good at the same time and they road those two years as hard as they could. Their playoff history is even worse than the Sox over the last 25 years believe it or not.

If the Sox get good again real soon and win another World Series, everything else Jerry does gets swept under the rug and he is remembered as perhaps the greatest Baseball owner in Chicago history. It would be hard not to argue at that point.


Edit- I looked it up. The last Twins October victory was game 1 of the 2004 ALDS. Since, they have lost 16 consecutive postseason games.

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Pick your two favorite pro sports teams. Do you think those two teams over the next 40 years will combine for 7 championships?


Again, his ownership of the Sox is independent of his ownership of the Bulls.

The Bulls fan experience is second to none and has been from the beginning. He designed a pretty great stadium that has effectively kept that is a staple of the neighborhood. He won six championships.

I wouldn't say the two are night and day but they are different...and guess what sport JR is much more hands on with?

Which is odd because he’s such a huge baseball fan you’d think he’d do anything to win every chance he gets .

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tommy wrote:
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In the last 38 years:

KC: 3 WS appearances and 2 titles
Twins: 2 appearances 2 titles
Tigers: 3 appearances 1 title
Indians: 3 appearances 0 titles because of Jason Heyward's magic

The JR record looks far worse than I imagined after a little research.

It pisses me off more because Cleveland and Minnesota have been able to to rebuild multiple times and then enjoy more sustained success.


The Cleveland freakin Indians, the team they make movies about sucking, have 3 WS appearances. The Marlins rebuilt into two absolutely dominant WS teams from nothing.

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