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There will never be an effective vaccine. I'll never get one anyway.

The Twins haven't won a playoff game since like 2002 or something like that. They just got swept by the Yankees....again. The Tigers won the World Series in '84, and the Royals in '85. How many WS appearances do those teams have since 1990? The Braves won 74 Division Titles in a row, yet have the same amount of World Series rings as Jerry. Would you rather division titles and Wild Card games, or Championships?

And those are the only two playoff appearances they have had since 1985. Let's not pretend that they were some juggernaut. They had a young core that got real good at the same time and they road those two years as hard as they could. Their playoff history is even worse than the Sox over the last 25 years believe it or not.

If the Sox get good again real soon and win another World Series, everything else Jerry does gets swept under the rug and he is remembered as perhaps the greatest Baseball owner in Chicago history. It would be hard not to argue at that point.


Edit- I looked it up. The last Twins October victory was game 1 of the 2004 ALDS. Since, they have lost 16 consecutive postseason games.

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Which is odd because he’s such a huge baseball fan you’d think he’d do anything to win every chance he gets .

What I wouldn't give to have played 16 playoff games since 2005!

It's more fun to be a victim

There will never be an effective vaccine. I'll never get one anyway.

The Twins haven't won a playoff game since like 2002 or something like that. They just got swept by the Yankees....again. The Tigers won the World Series in '84, and the Royals in '85. How many WS appearances do those teams have since 1990? The Braves won 74 Division Titles in a row, yet have the same amount of World Series rings as Jerry. Would you rather division titles and Wild Card games, or Championships?.

In the last 38 years:

KC: 3 WS appearances and 2 titles
Twins: 2 appearances 2 titles
Tigers: 3 appearances 1 title
Indians: 3 appearances 0 titles because of Jason Heyward's magic

The JR record looks far worse than I imagined after a little research.

so if we compartmentalize it to some arbitrary time period and add his basketball championships, JR is a great baseball owner.

He has owned the team for 38 years. It seems completely fair to judge him on his 38 years and compare him to his competition over that period.

It's not like I compared him to the Yankees or Cardinals. My comps for his success, if anything, are overly generous as those are all small market teams with constraints not placed on the Sox (except for the Tigers during Ilitch's final years of life)

Having lived thru the best post season run to date and an extended period of White Sox futility, I would rather a World Series every 25 or 30 years than be teased and lose 16 consecutive post season games over the course of a decade and a half.

I think my opinion may be skewed by being a little younger than you but I don't view any of those teams as far ahead of the White Sox outside of the Royals who have two recent titles.

the thing that pisses me off beyond belief is when people say, "well, hey, the Sox are a small market team, what do you expect?"

JR MADE THEM A SMALL MARKET TEAM! The Cubs and Sox were on an even level as far as fans go before this fucking @#$#$% bought the team.

I think my opinion may be skewed by being a little younger than you but I don't view any of those teams as far ahead of the White Sox outside of the Royals who have two recent titles.

These teams are far ahead of the Sox. Each of them has gone through a phase where their sustained success is what prevented the Sox from making the postseason. The Sox had an extensive run of finishing above .500 but rarely made the postseason because at least one of these teams was always better (usually the Twins or Indians)

but you haven't gotten a WS every 25-30 years. You have gotten 1 in 38.

The equation will look different if this Sox rebuild brings a WS but to bank on it already is perfectly cubesque

If the Sox get good again real soon and win another World Series, everything else Jerry does gets swept under the rug and he is remembered as perhaps the greatest Baseball owner in Chicago history. It would be hard not to argue at that point.

It's more fun to be a victim

There will never be an effective vaccine. I'll never get one anyway.

Tigers best 4 year stretch
95 wins lost ALCS
88 wins lost WS
93 wins lost ALCS
90 wins lost ALDS

White Sox best 4 year stretch
99 wins won WS
90 wins missed playoffs
72 wins missed playoffs
89 wins lost LDS

So the big difference is one bad season mixed in there, and a missed playoffs with 90 wins but also the White Sox won the World Series in that stretch.

The Twins or Indians have been better regular season teams though.

The Royals are kind of like the White Sox. Lots of bad seasons but they have the hardware the others don't in recent times.

Tigers best 4 year stretch
95 wins lost ALCS
88 wins lost WS
93 wins lost ALCS
90 wins lost ALDS

White Sox best 4 year stretch
99 wins won WS
90 wins missed playoffs
72 wins missed playoffs
89 wins lost LDS

So the big difference is one bad season mixed in there, and a missed playoffs with 90 wins but also the White Sox won the World Series in that stretch.

The Twins or Indians have been better regular season teams though.

The Royals are kind of like the White Sox. Lots of bad seasons but they have the hardware the others don't in recent times.

the thing that pisses me off beyond belief is when people say, "well, hey, the Sox are a small market team, what do you expect?"

JR MADE THEM A SMALL MARKET TEAM! The Cubs and Sox were on an even level as far as fans go before this fucking @#$#$% bought the team.

Dolphin is wrecking people in this thread .

I have MANY years of experience in trying to appreciate steaming piles of dogshit.

You spelled out “fucking”, but censored what came after it?

You spelled out “fucking”, but censored what came after it?

Do you disagree that it is fair to use 38 seasons as the or at least a proper time frame for comparison?

It's more fun to be a victim

There will never be an effective vaccine. I'll never get one anyway.

Do you disagree that it is fair to use 38 seasons as the or at least a proper time frame for comparison?

You can use 38 seasons, but I think you have to put more weight into recent times.

There was no Wild Card up until 1995, and now there are two Wild Cards. In the WC era, the Sox have won a World Series. So have the Royals. Nobody else in the AL Central can say that.

It's more fun to be a victim

There will never be an effective vaccine. I'll never get one anyway.

I don't disagree, which is why I said this earlier;





My point being is that I don't really care that the Twins won two titles almost 30 years ago, the Royals won a title when I was two years old, and the Tigers won a title when I was months old.

Then you don't really care about this discussion. JR has owned the team for 38 years. Why is it not fair to judge his ownership of 38 years?

I'm talking about World Series titles as you can see, and I said the past decade of White Sox baseball has been dreadful. You failed to quote that statement.

When is your funeral so I can show up to boo you?

If Tom Ricketts sells the Cubs tomorrow is he one of the best owners in sports history?