I said you can judge him on 38 years, but there has to be a recency bias. How long do you give the McCaskeys for 1985?

The Sox don't play in the AL East, just like the Cubs don't play in the AL West, and the Bears don't play in the NFC South so adding that to the discussion means nothing. The Cardinals won their division with 86 or 84 wins or whatever it was, and made it to the World Series and won it. Should we not count that because they didn't play in the superior NL East?

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which proves that MLB playoffs are a crap shoot and thus we need to judge Jerry on postseason appearances

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So if the Sox make the playoffs the next three consecutive seasons but go 0-9 in the ALDS, that makes Jerry a great owner?

Yet, if the Sox miss the playoffs in 2020, but win the World Series in 2021 and miss by a game with 94 wins in 2022, he's a back to being a bad owner?

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So, to be clear, your opinion is championships divided by number of years of ownership is the standard?

If so, then Jerry is in fact an average at worst baseball owner as I started off saying.

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

The Sox aren't going to make the playoffs the next 3 years, not with the way this jackass goes about spending money on free agents.

Frank, I found you your new home

Go here and suck on Reinsdorf's cock with the rest of the morons.

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for the record, 3 straight division championships or WC appearances, would make Jerry a better owner.

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Strawman. You don't know if this will prove true any more than I do. I put forth a scenario to you that would judge Reinsdorf on playoff appearances, as you said you needed to, and you completely ignored it and changed the subject.

Therefore, I accept your concession.

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I literally wrote: "for the record, 3 straight division championships or WC appearances, would make Jerry a better owner."

You fucking illiterate moron...

Now go ahead, your fellow Reinsdorf apologists await your arrival

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On an edit, you did.


Booooooooo

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which was refuted with a history of teams in the division over 38 years

you said you placed more emphasis on championships which I agree is entirely fair but JR stacks up poorly even under those circumstances

others discussed recent history, which doesn't favor him unless recent is extended to two decades

There just isn't any statistical evidence that supports that he is a good baseball owner other than fiscal responsibility and some meaningful work on diversity in the game

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It's depressing. Ever JR lowlight has been mentioned and boy, do they add up. The on the field record speaks for itself. The off the field could be viewed as murky, at best. He DID get a stadium built. He DID get it improved substantially. But yes, the skyboxes still sit empty. But overall, the gameday experience is top of the line, IMO.

I am not a JR hater. I have the utmost respect for him as a businessman. I admire his loyalty. I think he has done some good with his power as a humanitarian. I think you can make an argument he has been good for baseball.

I don't think he has been good for the Sox.

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I added one word, but agree with everything else here 100%.

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I said at worst he was an average owner. If you put the same weight I do on championships won then that is irrefutable.

1 title in 38 years really only puts him inarguably behind any owner with 2 titles. Now, a case can be made that Ricketts is a better owner because he has 1 title in 10 years, but we don't really know how the next 28 years of Cubs baseball will go. Still though, it puts him ahead of all the owners with 0 titles in any significant time owning a baseball team.

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There is weight and then there is inordinate weight. You seem like you place 100% on WS champions. That isn't invalid but I don't think it is strongly indicative. I think you can make the case that Ricketts, with 1 WS, 2 NLCS and 4 post seasons in 10 years is far superior to JR

I'd say 2 titles is a much greater accomplishment over 1 title than 1 title is over 0.

Still, if you asked owners who they would want as their managing partner, my guess is JR would rank very high on the list

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The Cubs and Sox were bought for nearly the same price 40 years ago. Now the Cubs are worth $1 billion moar. Great businessman.

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Winning a World Series title puts you at some baseline level that you can't drop from. That is why I said "average at worst". There are probably owners without a ring who are better owners than Jerry but there are also plenty of owners without a ring who are worse than Jerry.

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I think a lot of the early missteps were due to inexperience, and not understanding the fanbase or the market. It was not a good look to fire Harry and Jimmy. Then to get drunk and call them scum on live TV, but I don't think Reinsdorf knew what he was doing as a baseball owner yet either.

He was trying to bring the Sox into the future- cable tv, a family friendly mascot and game experience. He was ahead of his time in many respects.

He bungled the stadium, but part of that was being voted down in an Addison referendum. He's been a mixed bag, but booing him during essentially a public memorial is pretty ridiculous.

The second place comment sounds like his pre-strike narrative. He wanted to keep salaries in check. Whenever he had a title team or was close he seemed to spend though. The blackest mark on his resume is 1994. That team was great.

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From the time I became a fan in the late 80's to early 90's the Sox were almost always in the thick of it. He won a championship in a little over 20 years and likely pissed away another with the strike. The last decade of suckage is clouding your brain. Uncle Jerry is in the twilight of his life and I seriously doubt he's capable of pulling the strings that he did 15 years ago. Also dismissing the only championship in nearly 100 years and the only championship that many of our fathers and grandparents would have killed for is a clear sign of an ungrateful fan.

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He's been bad for the Sox and Sox fans. Culturally, he oversaw a period where the team dropped off the map. Can't make any new fans or sustain fans when you don't win and no one talks about you. It wasn't always like that.

They were not almost always in the thick of it. Unless they went to the playoffs, they were dead by September. They might have had a few good records, but they weren't challenging anyone due to holes in their lineup or pitching staff.

Agreed

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Most of the 90's and up until they won it all they were usually in contention for the division title.

I don't have a financial interest in the team so I don't care who becomes a fan.

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You don’t have to care, but when the GM and owner have frequently pointed the finger at the apathy of fans for their lack of payroll spending, you shouldn’t ignore it.

Nah fuck Jerry

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I love you more than words can tell
Listen to the river sing sweet songs
To rock my soul

The best thing I can say about Jerry is that I hate Trump much more than him.

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He made Albert Belle the highest paid player in baseball history. Admittedly his unwillingness to take back the contract of Dontrelle Willis in order to get Miguel Cabrera set the franchise back a decade. In fairness to him a lot of people thought Cabrera would eat himself out of baseball.

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Regardless of how profitable he has been, look at what the profitability could be with things directly in his control.
shitty owner. his actions and record speak volumes. Fuck Jerry.

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When he eventually gives us the gift of his death, he will join Eddie Einhorn and Dollar Bill in hell.

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Talk about ancient history.

The reality is the biggest contract the Sox have ever given out is $68 million...and that was over six years. Ponder that number for a minute in the context of today's payscale.

and that AB contract he did the typical JR of filling it with all kinds of clauses that let him get out of it after, I believe, one year

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Which is complete horse shit. Uncle Jerry ended a championship drought within a decade as an owner and a 90 year drought in a little over 20 years. There is a lot of recency bias in this thread because of the last decade of suckage of both of his teams. It's possible that I don't hate Uncle Jerry either because I've been slightly better than a casual sports fan over the past decade and I used to be a diehard fan of both teams.

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Those 90s teams are an example of what JR did or didn't say to Sampson. They were annually a good but ultimately second place team

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