One championship with the Sox 15 years ago earns him the right to run the franchise into the fucking ground afterwards? Fuck that. You're an easy mark.

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With the Bulls he inherited MJ. Anyone could've won multiple championships in that scenario. I don't really watch much NBA ball so my grievances with Jerry are going to be 100% Sox centered here.

Let's look at the Sox, 5 playoff appearances in 38 years. The only team in the weak-ass AL Central with fewer appearances is the Royals, but those same Royals have 2 WS Championships and 3 WS appearances in that period. 2005 is great, but that 1 magical season doesn't excuse him from the rest of it.

The Sox are the only true big market team in the division and should be able to spend their way into contention every year, but Jerry instead cries poor and has managed to lash out at the fanbase. Well guess what, when you lash out at the fans, don't be surprised when we tell you to go to hell.

Remember, Chicago was a Sox town (at worse 50/50 with the Cubs) when he took over. That all changed under Jerry and Eddie's stewardship so they get the blame. How did they turn Chicago into a Flubs town? Let's look

[*]SportsVision: Took games off of OTA TV and put them on a garbage subscription service that didn't work half the time. Most fans didn't even get to watch the 1983 season. This move is quite comparable to Dollar Bill's home TV blackout. Also, Cubs take warning as Marquee could become your SportsVision

[*]Firing Harry: Not only was this done in a class-less manner because he couldn't stomach the garbage move that was SportsVision, but using the 1983 clubhouse celebration to rip him was just classless.

[*]Firing LaRussa: Do I even need to expand upon this?

[*]Threats to move: Great way to piss off a fanbase and use nearly 90 years of history of the team in Chicago to threaten and extort the state for a stadium that has its fair share of shortcoming. I'll give them credit for the renovations as the stadium came into its own after the US Cellular deal, but the damage to its reputation was already done

[*]1994: Enough fucking said here

[*]2009-Present: 11 fucking year playoff drought with 4-5 AL spots available each year. Only one of these years could even be considered in contention for a spot.

[*]Crying poor: This jackass has literally blamed the fans for not spending money. Guess what? He alienated fans over 40 years and wonders where they went.

I feel like a 2nd volume of Career Misconduct could be written about this asshole

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Just an addendum here for those who don't know what Career Misconduct was, here's a link

https://www.amazon.com/Career-Misconduc ... 0965631206

We can write an entire volume regarding Reinsdorf and his deceased asshole partner Eddie Einhorn here.

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You seriously are going to applaud 1 championship in 24 (not a little over 20) years? It took 40 years from 1919 to get to another world series. Almost on cue, it took another 46 to get to the next one. JR was 26 of those 46. That is a long time to win one. Now we are another 14 years distanced from it.

It's great that he won a championship but it certainly isn't sufficient. I don't look at all the previous Sox owners and think JR is great because all of them sucked.

I don't consider it ungrateful to expect more than one championship in 38 years and I consider that a losing strategy if management thinks so. The overall determination would not be so harsh if his secondary numbers were more plentiful. However, pennants, division championships and wild card appearances are almost as lacking. I might chalk it up to luck of the draw if JR was getting into the playoffs say 5 of every 10 years and not advancing. The fact is he is getting there much closer to 1 out 10 (more like 1 out of 7.5).

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1 championship in 38 years would be easy to stomach if we had a Braves like run of playoff appearances.

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As a fan of both Chicago baseball teams, I experienced a lot of pain in my first 23 years of life. Uncle Jerry gave me a gift that many men died before they got a chance to experience. I will forever be appreciative to him for that. I literally cried tears of joy in 2005.

Over the last decade because of domestic responsibilities I haven't been able to be the sports fan I once was. It's possible that plays a role in how I feel.

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Ogie most of what you posted, except the part about Harry iirc. He was balking at signing on to the criminally foolish Sportsvision scam.And then he grandstanded his ass off once it was clear that the Cubbies were going to sign him. And the Trib loved every ounce of it.

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Why do you care about appearances? Do you want to be the Indians? The Sox hadn't won a WS in over 60 years before he arrived. Their drought now is 14 years. Ten of which have been God awful.

His overall body of work as a Chicago owner has been great. Very few owners have brought more championships to their city. He's a guy who ended a 25 year drought and a 90 year drought and he has 7 championships to show for it. There is no need to minimize his success.

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Reinsdorf never gave up a 4th quarter lead !

Exactly. They were out of it by Septiembre. Not a threat. They were in the thick of two things: jack and shit.

Combining his two ownership interests is a dishonesty. If he never won a WS with the Sox, you would still consider him a good owner of the team because the six with the Bulls was such an impressive accomplishment. They are distinct entities. They have different management, characters and history. JR himself treats them differently as he has a familial succession plan with the Bulls but not with the Sox.

85 years without a championship, 24 of which are attributable to JR.

1 championship in 38. I don't need to minimize it. It's a raw number. You may consider that successful. I do not. I don't know where that is considered worthy of praise.

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He hasn't just been the owner of the Sox or just the owner of the Bulls so I believe that it's unreasonable to not look at the combined success or failures of both. That's why I believe that many have recency bias. A decade ago (definitely 14 years ago) I don't most people would have the level of disdain for him as an owner or a man. He's responsible for 7 of the 11 championships Chicago has experienced in the past 28 years.

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That was an excellent assessment of the Reinsdork reign. It was better prepared and thought provoking than any other White Sox writer or sports columnist has ever written on the subject.

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Oh, he might have went on livin'
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When he tried to match the Ranger
With the big iron on his hip

To me one of the worst faults of Reiny is his failure to run the team as a big market team and that involves spending some money. Instead he has collapsed this franchise as if it was located in South Bend or something. The other major thing I blame him for is the failure to hire well knowledgeable executives and coaches. The procession of bad team presidents, GMs, managers, and coaches is unforgiveable and to me the reason is cheapness and a strange sort of loyalty given them.

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Oh, he might have went on livin'
But he made one fatal slip
When he tried to match the Ranger
With the big iron on his hip

pernicious myths!

Just caught yesterday's podcasts on this. Bernstein was embarrassingly dismissive of the whole story. Like how he would treat a Matt Spiegel thought in transition, "oh I don't care about that, what the REAL thing is..."

Mully was clearly annoyed and threw back "don't you say: make decisions to get you closer to a championship?", and Bernstein's only defense was coming up with multiple willingly stupid interpretations of what Reinsdorf really meant. First it was "you can't 'try' to finish 2nd lol', and then "he said you try to win, but finishing in 2nd is a good outcome too"

Later in the day they had Joe Sheehan on and told him the 'silly' story, and Sheehan said if the Sox don't sign multiple $20M free agents this offseason then Reinsdorf's words are a correct description you could hear the guffaw over the air, but that may just be McKnight's typical contribution

I think you have to put aside the Bulls stuff when judging his Six ownership and vice versa

I don't think "Great" is an accurate description of his time with the White Sox

My opinion is that if he had 0 titles with the Bulls then people wouldn't be like "Only concentrate on the White Sox" so we won't do it when he has 6 rings with the Bulls.

There are people that don't count the 6 titles because he had MJ.

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You may be right about how some frame it but the fact remains its two separate things.

If he had 0 titles with the Bulls, basketball attention in this city would be somewhere beneath hockey.

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Welcome back my friend. I have been chumming the waters for you for at least a month with no bites. I thought we had lost you

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He pulled a reverse Elmhurst Steve. Elmhurst Steve only posts here when the Cubs are doing well. rpb only posts here when the Cubs are embarrassing our great city of Chicago with an epic collapse.

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I was gone for 2016

Didnt work this year

It was funny to hear Bernstein say it was a non-story, and basically say it was anti-semitic or as he put it the usual Reinsdorf is cheap tropes. It's more than a non-story. It's an interesting discussion at the very least.

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His teams know how to close. They're undefeated in championship series.

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I don't think that's really true. Most of the times he has spent money it's turned out to be bad money. I remember the year they signed Dunn et al and Sox fans were really happy that they "did something". As Philadelphia just found out, you can't really win an offseason.



As I said when the Cubs did it, there is no excuse for a team- especially in a market like Chicago- to tank seasons. The boys in the Sox Facebook group can mock "Reload, Win Now" as much as they want while they wait for a bunch of minor leaguers to get good and then pray that enough of them are good all at once.

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Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Elon, Tulsi, and Don

I was wondering if you were going to comment.

You know that I couldn't help it.

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Urge to kill....RISING.

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Yeah it brings up the long dormant pure hatred. And goddam if I didn't forgive him in 2005. What an asshole I am.