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PostPosted: Tue Oct 15, 2019 10:40 am 
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:lol: :lol: :lol: “ Safety of the players “


What is funny about that?

The fact it's a 100% bullshit excuse, as evidenced by the comments of Kerr, Popovich, LeBron, Harden etc. when all of them were outside of China when they made their idiotic statements.

Just admit this is about selling shoes and getting his dumbass movie cleared by Chicomm censors.


China doesn't strike me as a nation unwilling to use a someone like LeBron to make a political statement.

LeBron was in fucking California when he made an ass of himself yesterday. This is 100% about him making money.

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Ogie Oglethorpe wrote:
Nas wrote:
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:lol: :lol: :lol: “ Safety of the players “


What is funny about that?

The fact it's a 100% bullshit excuse, as evidenced by the comments of Kerr, Popovich, LeBron, Harden etc. when all of them were outside of China when they made their idiotic statements.

Just admit this is about selling shoes and getting his dumbass movie cleared by Chicomm censors.


China doesn't strike me as a nation unwilling to use a someone like LeBron to make a political statement.

LeBron was in fucking California when he made an ass of himself yesterday. This is 100% about him making money.


Are you sure he was in CA?

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Why can’t it be both money and safety?

Some of you guys strike me as extreme this or that thinkers.

Dealing in absolutes is a path to the dark side.

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Hard to see LeBron as the victim here. China would not have done anything to him. He tried to silence someone and got burned.


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There's no spin here. LeBron's work has always been on issues that impact the lives of the underprivileged in black America. He's concerned about the police killing unarmed black men and not being held accountable until recently. China isn't his fight, black America is. That shouldn't be difficult for any reasonable person to understand.

I do agree with you when it comes to Morey. My assumption was that he was upset about Morey not thinking about the safety of the players before sending his tweet. If not, he shouldn't have said anything.

I support LeBron's work when it comes to that. I supported Kaepernick even before you did. The fact remains that LeBron deserves A LOT of criticism for lecturing Morey. If he stayed silent I think you'd at least have a valid point. But he didn't stay silent or indifferent. He offered up his opinion in the same way he did for American politics, and his opinion is that he supports China's authoritarian regime and he does not support the Hong Kong protesters. He made that blatantly clear.

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Ogie Oglethorpe wrote:
Nas wrote:
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:lol: :lol: :lol: “ Safety of the players “


What is funny about that?

The fact it's a 100% bullshit excuse, as evidenced by the comments of Kerr, Popovich, LeBron, Harden etc. when all of them were outside of China when they made their idiotic statements.

Just admit this is about selling shoes and getting his dumbass movie cleared by Chicomm censors.


China doesn't strike me as a nation unwilling to use a someone like LeBron to make a political statement.

LeBron was in fucking California when he made an ass of himself yesterday. This is 100% about him making money.


Are you sure he was in CA?

yep he was in Los Angeles yesterday when he spoke

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Ogie Oglethorpe wrote:
Nas wrote:
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:lol: :lol: :lol: “ Safety of the players “


What is funny about that?

The fact it's a 100% bullshit excuse, as evidenced by the comments of Kerr, Popovich, LeBron, Harden etc. when all of them were outside of China when they made their idiotic statements.

Just admit this is about selling shoes and getting his dumbass movie cleared by Chicomm censors.


China doesn't strike me as a nation unwilling to use a someone like LeBron to make a political statement.

LeBron was in fucking California when he made an ass of himself yesterday. This is 100% about him making money.

I had a friend who lived in China and intersection he lived on was Fuc King and Phat roads. I kid you not.


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Why can’t it be both money and safety?

Some of you guys strike me as extreme this or that thinkers.

Dealing in absolutes is a path to the dark side.

It's 100% about money and 0% about safety. He was in America when he told Morey to "shut up and GM"

He even said it was about money when he started talking about the "ramifications"

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What I've taken from the last few hours is that LeBron James is a crusader for Black America.

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:lol: :lol: :lol: “ Safety of the players “


What is funny about that?


Let's answer this question...who would the players need to be kept safe from?

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If I was going to attempt a defense of LeBron's comments, and it's a very difficult thing to attempt, I would start the narrative that it was about money, but not just his money. As the most powerful player in the league by a wide margin, his point about ramifications to the salary cap would affect all current and future players, and not just him because he's pretty much set anyway and only going to get one more contract at most after this one is up.

It's not a great defense, but it's better than he feared for his safety in Los Angeles.

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 Post subject: Re: The NBA
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Ogie Oglethorpe wrote:
Jbi11s wrote:
Why can’t it be both money and safety?

Some of you guys strike me as extreme this or that thinkers.

Dealing in absolutes is a path to the dark side.

It's 100% about money and 0% about safety. He was in America when he told Morey to "shut up and GM"

He even said it was about money when he started talking about the "ramifications"

I think he was talking about the timing of the tweet. So it doesn't matter where he said "Morey is uneducated".


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Nardi wrote:
Ogie Oglethorpe wrote:
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Why can’t it be both money and safety?

Some of you guys strike me as extreme this or that thinkers.

Dealing in absolutes is a path to the dark side.

It's 100% about money and 0% about safety. He was in America when he told Morey to "shut up and GM"

He even said it was about money when he started talking about the "ramifications"

I think he was talking about the timing of the tweet. So it doesn't matter where he said "Morey is uneducated".

Even then his safety wasn't threatened. He's LeBron fucking James. Worst thing China would do is deport him and give him a visa ban. Celebrity gives him a sort of privilege that ensures he won't be sent to a camp like anyone else in China.

The Chinese are diabolical evil assholes, but they aren't stupid.

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Ogie Oglethorpe wrote:
Nardi wrote:
Ogie Oglethorpe wrote:
Jbi11s wrote:
Why can’t it be both money and safety?

Some of you guys strike me as extreme this or that thinkers.

Dealing in absolutes is a path to the dark side.

It's 100% about money and 0% about safety. He was in America when he told Morey to "shut up and GM"

He even said it was about money when he started talking about the "ramifications"

I think he was talking about the timing of the tweet. So it doesn't matter where he said "Morey is uneducated".

Even then his safety wasn't threatened. He's LeBron fucking James. Worst thing China would do is deport him and give him a visa ban. Celebrity gives him a sort of privilege that ensures he won't be sent to a camp like anyone else in China.

Maybe he felt threatened. It's possible. You weren't there.


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Nardi wrote:
Ogie Oglethorpe wrote:
Nardi wrote:
Ogie Oglethorpe wrote:
Jbi11s wrote:
Why can’t it be both money and safety?

Some of you guys strike me as extreme this or that thinkers.

Dealing in absolutes is a path to the dark side.

It's 100% about money and 0% about safety. He was in America when he told Morey to "shut up and GM"

He even said it was about money when he started talking about the "ramifications"

I think he was talking about the timing of the tweet. So it doesn't matter where he said "Morey is uneducated".

Even then his safety wasn't threatened. He's LeBron fucking James. Worst thing China would do is deport him and give him a visa ban. Celebrity gives him a sort of privilege that ensures he won't be sent to a camp like anyone else in China.

Maybe he felt threatened. It's possible. You weren't there.

Please, he wasn't threatened.

His wallet may have been, but he wasn't.

The only person in the NBA being threatened is Enes Kanter, and he subtweeted the hell out of LeBron yesterday

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This whole thing was self-inflicted. The suggestion that people are asking the NBA to fix China is a canard. People are simply asking them not to censor their employees from critiquing an authoritarian ethno state, and for those NBA employees who claim to be so concerned about injustice to not tacitly endorse a government who murders its own citizens.


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Ogie Oglethorpe wrote:
Nardi wrote:
Ogie Oglethorpe wrote:
Nardi wrote:
Ogie Oglethorpe wrote:
Jbi11s wrote:
Why can’t it be both money and safety?

Some of you guys strike me as extreme this or that thinkers.

Dealing in absolutes is a path to the dark side.

It's 100% about money and 0% about safety. He was in America when he told Morey to "shut up and GM"

He even said it was about money when he started talking about the "ramifications"

I think he was talking about the timing of the tweet. So it doesn't matter where he said "Morey is uneducated".

Even then his safety wasn't threatened. He's LeBron fucking James. Worst thing China would do is deport him and give him a visa ban. Celebrity gives him a sort of privilege that ensures he won't be sent to a camp like anyone else in China.

Maybe he felt threatened. It's possible. You weren't there.

Please, he wasn't threatened.

His wallet may have been, but he wasn't.

The only person in the NBA being threatened is Enes Kanter, and he subtweeted the hell out of LeBron yesterday

I ain't sayin', I'm just sayin'. Trump had to come to the rescue some UCLA basketball players. That could've been in these guys minds. Who knows? You weren't there.


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:lol: :lol: :lol: “ Safety of the players “


What is funny about that?


Retweeting something put the players in danger? That's ridiculous. LeBron is attacking someone for speaking out on justice issues. It's a terrible look. It's also pretty embarrassing that the person who want to be a global icon is limited to only speaking out about social issues if it concerns black men in America. So if it benefits him and his friends.


It could have. There is nothing ridiculous about it. If China is willing to kill their own "citizens"who aren't submissive, what makes you think they wouldn't make a statement with American athletes?

We're all at the very least a little tribalistic and after reading your posts it's clear that you aren't exempt from that. Neither am I. LeBron's work in his community has been positive and the successes ultimately will benefit all of America.

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What I've taken from the last few hours is that LeBron James is a crusader for Black America.


That's just your usual racial ignorance my friend. You can't help yourself.

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we're only a few weeks away from this:


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I side with the Chinese.


No offense--I consider you a friend--but this is a BULLSHIT take.




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Plus, for all we know, the State Dept may have also advised the NBA. There's some very delicate negotiations going on.


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Plus, for all we know, the State Dept may have also advised the NBA. There's some very delicate negotiations going on.

The question is, when does Trump tweet something nutty about this?


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:lol: :lol: :lol: “ Safety of the players “


What is funny about that?


Retweeting something put the players in danger? That's ridiculous. LeBron is attacking someone for speaking out on justice issues. It's a terrible look. It's also pretty embarrassing that the person who want to be a global icon is limited to only speaking out about social issues if it concerns black men in America. So if it benefits him and his friends.


It could have. There is nothing ridiculous about it. If China is willing to kill their own "citizens"who aren't submissive, what makes you think they wouldn't make a statement with American athletes?

We're all at the very least a little tribalistic and after reading your posts it's clear that you aren't exempt from that. Neither am I. LeBron's work in his community has been positive and the successes ultimately will benefit all of America.


So Morey's words were not uninformed?

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Nas wrote:
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Nas wrote:
badrogue17 wrote:
:lol: :lol: :lol: “ Safety of the players “


What is funny about that?


Retweeting something put the players in danger? That's ridiculous. LeBron is attacking someone for speaking out on justice issues. It's a terrible look. It's also pretty embarrassing that the person who want to be a global icon is limited to only speaking out about social issues if it concerns black men in America. So if it benefits him and his friends.


It could have. There is nothing ridiculous about it. If China is willing to kill their own "citizens"who aren't submissive, what makes you think they wouldn't make a statement with American athletes?

We're all at the very least a little tribalistic and after reading your posts it's clear that you aren't exempt from that. Neither am I. LeBron's work in his community has been positive and the successes ultimately will benefit all of America.


So Morey's words were not uninformed?


Dan, you're free to read what I've posted.

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Nas wrote:
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:lol: :lol: :lol: “ Safety of the players “


What is funny about that?


It's also pretty embarrassing that the person who want to be a global icon is limited to only speaking out about social issues if it concerns black men in America. So if it benefits him and his friends.


So in essence he does the exact same thing that you do?

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Nas wrote:
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Nas wrote:
badrogue17 wrote:
:lol: :lol: :lol: “ Safety of the players “


What is funny about that?


Retweeting something put the players in danger? That's ridiculous. LeBron is attacking someone for speaking out on justice issues. It's a terrible look. It's also pretty embarrassing that the person who want to be a global icon is limited to only speaking out about social issues if it concerns black men in America. So if it benefits him and his friends.


It could have. There is nothing ridiculous about it. If China is willing to kill their own "citizens"who aren't submissive, what makes you think they wouldn't make a statement with American athletes?

We're all at the very least a little tribalistic and after reading your posts it's clear that you aren't exempt from that. Neither am I. LeBron's work in his community has been positive and the successes ultimately will benefit all of America.


So Morey's words were not uninformed?

The ignorance of the timing of the tweet was to LeBron's thinking, "uneducated".
Did Lebron feel peril? He says yes. Is he a liar? I don't know, I wasn't there.


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This whole thing was self-inflicted. The suggestion that people are asking the NBA to fix China is a canard. People are simply asking them not to censor their employees from critiquing an authoritarian ethno state, and for those NBA employees who claim to be so concerned about injustice to not tacitly endorse a government who murders its own citizens.


The same group of hypocrites currently bashing the league for censoring the players are the group that applauded the censorship of "the squad" about a month month and a half ago.

Strangely though not surprisingly this same group expressed not one bit of outrage over it in that particular instance.

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Nas wrote:
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Nas wrote:
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Nas wrote:
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:lol: :lol: :lol: “ Safety of the players “


What is funny about that?


Retweeting something put the players in danger? That's ridiculous. LeBron is attacking someone for speaking out on justice issues. It's a terrible look. It's also pretty embarrassing that the person who want to be a global icon is limited to only speaking out about social issues if it concerns black men in America. So if it benefits him and his friends.


It could have. There is nothing ridiculous about it. If China is willing to kill their own "citizens"who aren't submissive, what makes you think they wouldn't make a statement with American athletes?

We're all at the very least a little tribalistic and after reading your posts it's clear that you aren't exempt from that. Neither am I. LeBron's work in his community has been positive and the successes ultimately will benefit all of America.


So Morey's words were not uninformed?


Dan, you're free to read what I've posted.


I did and it came across as circular logic. If Morey was uniformed about standing up for Hong Kong against a strong armed police state, then what would the NBA players have to worry about? I agree...LeBron has done much to speak up about issues faced in our country by African-Americans, in this case money was talking.

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Now, if the NBA is going to stick to the story that players may have felt unsafe, the next step is obvious. China has crossed a line even money should be of no factor.

Haha, yeah, right.


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