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It could have. There is nothing ridiculous about it. If China is willing to kill their own "citizens"who aren't submissive, what makes you think they wouldn't make a statement with American athletes?

We're all at the very least a little tribalistic and after reading your posts it's clear that you aren't exempt from that. Neither am I. LeBron's work in his community has been positive and the successes ultimately will benefit all of America.


Killing your own citizens is something that countries have no problem with. Killing other citizens who are your invited guests over the words of something else is an act of war that would have global implications. It's ridiculous to cite safety as a reason for acting like this especially when LeBron was safe at home when he threw Morey under the bus for supporting democracy.

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What I've taken from the last few hours is that LeBron James is a crusader for Black America.


That's just your usual racial ignorance my friend. You can't help yourself.


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Nas wrote:

It could have. There is nothing ridiculous about it. If China is willing to kill their own "citizens"who aren't submissive, what makes you think they wouldn't make a statement with American athletes?

We're all at the very least a little tribalistic and after reading your posts it's clear that you aren't exempt from that. Neither am I. LeBron's work in his community has been positive and the successes ultimately will benefit all of America.


Killing your own citizens is something that countries have no problem with. Killing other citizens who are your invited guests over the words of something else is an act of war that would have global implications. It's ridiculous to cite safety as a reason for acting like this especially when LeBron was safe at home when he threw Morey under the bus for supporting democracy.

It's not. Just because you're home doesn't negate the feelings you had abroad.


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I did and it came across as circular logic. If Morey was uniformed about standing up for Hong Kong against a strong armed police state, then what would the NBA players have to worry about? I agree...LeBron has done much to speak up about issues faced in our country by African-Americans, in this case money was talking.


I've never disagreed with Morey's take on China. I've offered no opinion about the people of China. My only statement about Morey in reference to LeBron was that I could understand if LeBron was bothered by Morey's comments because of safety reasons. I then said that LeBron shouldn't have said anything if that isn't true.

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What I've taken from the last few hours is that LeBron James is a crusader for Black America.


That's just your usual racial ignorance my friend. You can't help yourself.


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Not even Curious Hair is pure enough or left enough.


What does that have to do with anything that I posted?

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Nas wrote:

It could have. There is nothing ridiculous about it. If China is willing to kill their own "citizens"who aren't submissive, what makes you think they wouldn't make a statement with American athletes?

We're all at the very least a little tribalistic and after reading your posts it's clear that you aren't exempt from that. Neither am I. LeBron's work in his community has been positive and the successes ultimately will benefit all of America.


Killing your own citizens is something that countries have no problem with. Killing other citizens who are your invited guests over the words of something else is an act of war that would have global implications. It's ridiculous to cite safety as a reason for acting like this especially when LeBron was safe at home when he threw Morey under the bus for supporting democracy.

It's not. Just because you're home doesn't negate the feelings you had abroad.


If Morey's statements about the actions of the Chinese Government in Hong Kong were uniformed, the the NBA players should have had nothing to worry about.

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WaitingforRuffcorn wrote:
Nas wrote:

It could have. There is nothing ridiculous about it. If China is willing to kill their own "citizens"who aren't submissive, what makes you think they wouldn't make a statement with American athletes?

We're all at the very least a little tribalistic and after reading your posts it's clear that you aren't exempt from that. Neither am I. LeBron's work in his community has been positive and the successes ultimately will benefit all of America.


Killing your own citizens is something that countries have no problem with. Killing other citizens who are your invited guests over the words of something else is an act of war that would have global implications. It's ridiculous to cite safety as a reason for acting like this especially when LeBron was safe at home when he threw Morey under the bus for supporting democracy.


We have a different view on this. While I doubt that they would murder an American athlete, I don't think it's unreasonable to believe that they could have been detained.

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I did and it came across as circular logic. If Morey was uniformed about standing up for Hong Kong against a strong armed police state, then what would the NBA players have to worry about? I agree...LeBron has done much to speak up about issues faced in our country by African-Americans, in this case money was talking.


I've never disagreed with Morey's take on China. I've offered no opinion about the people of China. My only statement about Morey in reference to LeBron was that I could understand if LeBron was bothered by Morey's comments because of safety reasons. I then said that LeBron shouldn't have said anything if that isn't true.


OK, sorry I misunderstood between all the block quotes, I get it now. Thanks (not that you owed me an explanation).

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Nardi wrote:
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Nas wrote:

It could have. There is nothing ridiculous about it. If China is willing to kill their own "citizens"who aren't submissive, what makes you think they wouldn't make a statement with American athletes?

We're all at the very least a little tribalistic and after reading your posts it's clear that you aren't exempt from that. Neither am I. LeBron's work in his community has been positive and the successes ultimately will benefit all of America.


Killing your own citizens is something that countries have no problem with. Killing other citizens who are your invited guests over the words of something else is an act of war that would have global implications. It's ridiculous to cite safety as a reason for acting like this especially when LeBron was safe at home when he threw Morey under the bus for supporting democracy.

It's not. Just because you're home doesn't negate the feelings you had abroad.


If Morey's statements about the actions of the Chinese Government in Hong Kong were uniformed, the the NBA players should have had nothing to worry about.

Do you live in this world or some alternative utopia world?


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I don't think the 2 things are mutual exclusive. LeBron hasn't dipped his toe into international politics before. I don't think it's a leap to believe that he just wants to focus on America and specifically black America when discussing politics. That also doesn't mean that his future earnings can't factor into his take on China.


He said he has gone to China 15-20 times. Basketball and the NBA are global. This isn't international politics. This isn't asking him to comment on a country he has nothing to do with. This isn't Kurdish Syria.

LeBron cares enough about the Chinese people to make sure they buy his shoes, but not enough to discuss their basic human rights being jeopardized?

I like LeBron and what he has done for the game, but this is a bad look. If we're only supposed to look out for our own, in LeBron's case "black America," then it makes a lot more sense why Trump is President, among other things.

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So Lebron was worried he was going to be killed in China, but now that he's home he can't say anything bad about China, because theoretically he could have been killed in China for saying something bad about China, which he didn't do.

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If we're only supposed to look out for our own, in LeBron's case "black America," then it makes a lot more sense why Trump is President, among other things.


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So Lebron was worried he was going to be killed in China, but now that he's home he can't say anything bad about China, because theoretically he could have been killed in China for saying something bad about China, which he didn't do.

:lol: :lol: :lol: Yeah, that argument seems a little shaky...


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I don't think the 2 things are mutual exclusive. LeBron hasn't dipped his toe into international politics before. I don't think it's a leap to believe that he just wants to focus on America and specifically black America when discussing politics. That also doesn't mean that his future earnings can't factor into his take on China.


He said he has gone to China 15-20 times. Basketball and the NBA are global. This isn't international politics. This isn't asking him to comment on a country he has nothing to do with. This isn't Kurdish Syria.

LeBron cares enough about the Chinese people to make sure they buy his shoes, but not enough to discuss their basic human rights being jeopardized?

I like LeBron and what he has done for the game, but this is a bad look. If we're only supposed to look out for our own, in LeBron's case "black America," then it makes a lot more sense why Trump is President, among other things.

Pretty much. Interesting last sentence, too. I do think Nas meant something different, though.


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Nas wrote:
I don't think the 2 things are mutual exclusive. LeBron hasn't dipped his toe into international politics before. I don't think it's a leap to believe that he just wants to focus on America and specifically black America when discussing politics. That also doesn't mean that his future earnings can't factor into his take on China.


He said he has gone to China 15-20 times. Basketball and the NBA are global. This isn't international politics. This isn't asking him to comment on a country he has nothing to do with. This isn't Kurdish Syria.

LeBron cares enough about the Chinese people to make sure they buy his shoes, but not enough to discuss their basic human rights being jeopardized?

I like LeBron and what he has done for the game, but this is a bad look. If we're only supposed to look out for our own, in LeBron's case "black America," then it makes a lot more sense why Trump is President, among other things.


They make every players shoes and buy all of the elite players shoes. Why no calls to Jordan or Rose? Where is global Kobe?

LeBron is focusing on helping disadvantaged AMERICANS. If that's a reason to elect a man like Trump then this country is irredeemable.

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This whole thing was self-inflicted. The suggestion that people are asking the NBA to fix China is a canard. People are simply asking them not to censor their employees from critiquing an authoritarian ethno state, and for those NBA employees who claim to be so concerned about injustice to not tacitly endorse a government who murders its own citizens.


The same group of hypocrites currently bashing the league for censoring the players are the group that applauded the censorship of "the squad" about a month month and a half ago.

Strangely though not surprisingly this same group expressed not one bit of outrage over it in that particular instance.


I'm sorry. You must have mistaken me for someone who cares about hypothetical people to whom I have not spoken. Do you have any thoughts on what I said?


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An estimated 70,000+ Americans living and working in China.

Some of them are former NBA players currently employed by the Chinese Basketball Association.

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So Lebron was worried he was going to be killed in China, but now that he's home he can't say anything bad about China, because theoretically he could have been killed in China for saying something bad about China, which he didn't do.

He did say something bad about China. Why this isn't registering with people here, I have no idea.


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This whole thing was self-inflicted. The suggestion that people are asking the NBA to fix China is a canard. People are simply asking them not to censor their employees from critiquing an authoritarian ethno state, and for those NBA employees who claim to be so concerned about injustice to not tacitly endorse a government who murders its own citizens.


The same group of hypocrites currently bashing the league for censoring the players are the group that applauded the censorship of "the squad" about a month month and a half ago.

Strangely though not surprisingly this same group expressed not one bit of outrage over it in that particular instance.


I'm sorry. You must have mistaken me for someone who cares about hypothetical people to whom I have not spoken. Do you have any thoughts on what I said?


The NBA has other forms of censorship (dress, criticism of refs etc) in place. How is this any different? And why was it necessary for everyone to know what Lebron James's take on the situation happens to be anyway?

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As Cheap Charlie pointed out, does this safety issue mean they will skip the Olympics?

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What I've taken from the last few hours is that LeBron James is a crusader for Black America.


That's just your usual racial ignorance my friend. You can't help yourself.


I've said in the past that LeBron seems to especially belong to Black America in a way that Michael Jordan never did. jbi11s had a psychotic break about it.

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What I've taken from the last few hours is that LeBron James is a crusader for Black America.


That's just your usual racial ignorance my friend. You can't help yourself.


I've said in the past that LeBron seems to especially belong to Black America in a way that Michael Jordan never did. jbi11s had a psychotic break about it.


My apologies. LeBron came from a broken home and had experiences that are familiar to a lot of disadvantaged blacks but they love both. Disadvantaged Black America is always looking for a hero or someone to look up to. Jordan and James have both filled that void.

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I feel like Jordan resonated with everyone in a way LeBron doesn't quite. But LeBron's got China locked down now, apparently, so he has that going for him, which is nice.

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If this is all about them fearing for their safety, then surely the NBA will not send teams to China next year for exhibition games, LeBron and Co. will cancel future shoe sales trips next summer, and the NBA will tear up their deal with Tencent.

Oh what's that? None of the above is going to happen? I guess none of this has been about safety.

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It could have. There is nothing ridiculous about it. If China is willing to kill their own "citizens"who aren't submissive, what makes you think they wouldn't make a statement with American athletes?

We're all at the very least a little tribalistic and after reading your posts it's clear that you aren't exempt from that. Neither am I. LeBron's work in his community has been positive and the successes ultimately will benefit all of America.


Killing your own citizens is something that countries have no problem with. Killing other citizens who are your invited guests over the words of something else is an act of war that would have global implications. It's ridiculous to cite safety as a reason for acting like this especially when LeBron was safe at home when he threw Morey under the bus for supporting democracy.


We have a different view on this. While I doubt that they would murder an American athlete, I don't think it's unreasonable to believe that they could have been detained.

Right . Essentially ending any chances of any athletes ever playing there again . Which the Chinese obviously don’t want because they could just ban them from coming in the first place . I know you’re doing the Nastrollva thing but c’mon man. Gotta make it believable


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If this is all about them fearing for their safety, then surely the NBA will not send teams to China next year for exhibition games, LeBron and Co. will cancel future shoe sales trips next summer, and the NBA will tear up their deal with Tencent.

Oh what's that? None of the above is going to happen? I guess none of this has been about safety.


I must have missed where anyone said it was ALL about their safety.

Even if the ratio is 90/10 in favor of financial reasons compared to safety there is still some part of him that could be concerned for his and everyone else’s safety.

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If this is all about them fearing for their safety, then surely the NBA will not send teams to China next year for exhibition games, LeBron and Co. will cancel future shoe sales trips next summer, and the NBA will tear up their deal with Tencent.

Oh what's that? None of the above is going to happen? I guess none of this has been about safety.


I must have missed where anyone said it was ALL about their safety.

Even if the ratio is 90/10 in favor of financial reasons compared to safety there is still some part of him that could be concerned for his and everyone else’s safety.
This is completely valid while in China.

This is not valid at all when not in China.

However, just refuse to say anything then. LeBron here was clearly using talking points given to him from China.

Keep in mind that China is banning people for liking tweets about Hong Kong. It happened to Woj and one of those DJ's that is now an artist or something who has huge concerts where he hits the play button and then puts his hands up.

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If this is all about them fearing for their safety, then surely the NBA will not send teams to China next year for exhibition games, LeBron and Co. will cancel future shoe sales trips next summer, and the NBA will tear up their deal with Tencent.

Oh what's that? None of the above is going to happen? I guess none of this has been about safety.


I must have missed where anyone said it was ALL about their safety.

Even if the ratio is 90/10 in favor of financial reasons compared to safety there is still some part of him that could be concerned for his and everyone else’s safety.

None of this is about his safety and his continued trips to China will confirm that. Just watch him go next year on some tour for a shoe company or to promote Space Jam 2

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