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Being a cop or fireman is valued more by our society than being a teacher. It's fucking insane. It's why we're 24th out of 25 educational systems in literacy. The people who are responsible for our future leaders are underpaid and underappreciated.

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No its not. Firemen die all the time, and the ones that dont because a roof or something fell on them wind up with cooked lungs or mesothelioma.

I know the on-job fatality rates for cops are not atrocious but they get seriously injured at work all the time. Car accidents, falls, non-fatal gunshot wounds...pretty common. And then there's the PTSD.

Meanwhile teachers get loads of time off and the same fat pension. And they're all incompetent. Seriously if you have any idea what you're doing you dont become a teacher...you get out there and do it. I didn't even go to CPS and the amount of wrong information I got from teachers is staggering. They are fucking idiots who are only good at these labour movements.


No what's not?

Firemen get more days off than anyone. Did I claim that a job of a teacher was more dangerous than a cop or fireman? Of course not. I said that a teacher is more valuable to our society than a cop or a fireman.

The best CPS schools are better than suburban schools and most private schools. Pay is a problem regardless of the district or state. Click the link.

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My employer pays straight out of Master's in a planning field $67k. But that's for 12 months with only 35 days off a year (sick/Vaca/holiday), and we only hire about 10 nationwide a year so we can be picky.

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No what's not?

Firemen get more days off than anyone. Did I claim that a job of a teacher was more dangerous than a cop or fireman? Of course not. I said that a teacher is more valuable to our society than a cop or a fireman.

The best CPS schools are better than suburban schools and most private schools. Pay is a problem regardless of the district or state. Click the link.

Firemen work shifts that last days, so I dont know if it works out to them getting any more time off than a teacher. And there's just no way teachers are more valuable than cops or firemen. Professionals and skilled trainers maybe I guess you could make the argument but your average primary, secondary or high school teacher? Easy to replace. Their expertise is usually in bullshit.


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Antarctica wrote:
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No what's not?

Firemen get more days off than anyone. Did I claim that a job of a teacher was more dangerous than a cop or fireman? Of course not. I said that a teacher is more valuable to our society than a cop or a fireman.

The best CPS schools are better than suburban schools and most private schools. Pay is a problem regardless of the district or state. Click the link.

Firemen work shifts that last days, so I dont know if it works out to them getting any more time off than a teacher. And there's just no way teachers are more valuable than cops or firemen. Professionals and skilled trainers maybe I guess you could make the argument but your average primary, secondary or high school teacher? Easy to replace. Their expertise is usually in bullshit.


Firemen work 2 or 3 days a week.

Why did you continue your education if you truly believe they are worthless?

It's this way of thinking along with the pay that makes people avoid the profession and it causes apathy in the people who are educating our future leaders. Very few people become successful without an education.

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Firemen work 2 or 3 days a week.

Why did you continue your education if you truly believe they are worthless?

It's this way of thinking along with the pay that makes people avoid the profession and it causes apathy in the people who are educating our future leaders. Very few people become successful without an education.

Two or three days a week x twenty-four hour shifts = forty-eight to seventy-two hour weeks. I dont know a teacher working those hours, do you?

I continued my education with actual professionals who would indulge instead of stifle curiosity and interest. My French teacher in high school was upset if I went ahead and my passion for history was basically strangled in the womb by social studies teachers. It took years since getting out of high school to realize there was no shame in being voracious, and that it was really just a bunch of lazy ass teachers who (ok my French teacher when I was 17 spoke better French than me and probably still does) knew less about the things I wanted to learn than I did.

Certified flight instructors, university professors, mentors...these are valued members of the educational system. Experts who can impart their knowledge onto others. Teachers are just babysitters watching the clock hoping none of the kids make them have to do any extra work today. To say they are more valuable than search and rescue (what fire deptartments really are) or law enforcement is insanity.


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You and your wife will have kids one day and I imagine at that point you'll see the value of a quality teacher.

Which is why he will either move to the suburbs or go to a private school. CPS will always be rubbish.


The top 5 schools in this state are found in CPS.

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You and your wife will have kids one day and I imagine at that point you'll see the value of a quality teacher.

Which is why he will either move to the suburbs or go to a private school. CPS will always be rubbish.


The top 5 schools in this state are found in CPS.

These rankings are corrupt and fraudulent. Same with the US News & World Report University Rankings...its a scheme.


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Antarctica wrote:
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You and your wife will have kids one day and I imagine at that point you'll see the value of a quality teacher.

Which is why he will either move to the suburbs or go to a private school. CPS will always be rubbish.


The top 5 schools in this state are found in CPS.

These rankings are corrupt and fraudulent. Same with the US News & World Report University Rankings...its a scheme.

No its not. Sometimes things are what they are.

It runs counter to the narrative so you have to try and debunk it. Its understandable

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http://college-advisor.com/articles/fudging.html

see if you can finish this with your public school education.


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Antarctica wrote:
Nas wrote:

Firemen work 2 or 3 days a week.

Why did you continue your education if you truly believe they are worthless?

It's this way of thinking along with the pay that makes people avoid the profession and it causes apathy in the people who are educating our future leaders. Very few people become successful without an education.

Two or three days a week x twenty-four hour shifts = forty-eight to seventy-two hour weeks. I dont know a teacher working those hours, do you?

I continued my education with actual professionals who would indulge instead of stifle curiosity and interest. My French teacher in high school was upset if I went ahead and my passion for history was basically strangled in the womb by social studies teachers. It took years since getting out of high school to realize there was no shame in being voracious, and that it was really just a bunch of lazy ass teachers who (ok my French teacher when I was 17 spoke better French than me and probably still does) knew less about the things I wanted to learn than I did.

Certified flight instructors, university professors, mentors...these are valued members of the educational system. Experts who can impart their knowledge onto others. Teachers are just babysitters watching the clock hoping none of the kids make them have to do any extra work today. To say they are more valuable than search and rescue (what fire deptartments really are) or law enforcement is insanity.


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Antarctica wrote:
http://college-advisor.com/articles/fudging.html

see if you can finish this with your public school education.



One guy with a conspiracy theory. There is a reason that one of the richest people in the state tried to pay to have his child enrolled in Whitney Young.

There is a reason that really really affluent people attempt to have their children enrolled in these extremely "selective" schools. Conduct a little research and then get back at me.

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Tell me, are Whitney Young teachers on strike right now? If so that would basically disqualify them from being one of the better educational institutions in the state since you know...they aren't even fucking open in mid-October.


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Government employees want it all now. Greedy corrupt employees. Before there was an acknowledgement of lower pay for job security and a decent retirement. Now they want high wages, bulletproof job security, enormous support staffs, absurd amounts of time off, affordable housing, guaranteed lucrative retirement packages, etc.


You and your wife will have kids one day

OH GOD NO!!!!!

and it SHPULD REMAIN that way???????????


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Imagine this:

Your property taxes go towards bribing US News and World Report to keep these above-average public high schools ranked among the elite. Then you bribe your alderman or who ever even more money so your kid can get into them. And then the teachers, among the highest paid in the USA, go on strike so they can poet their clever signs on Instagram.

Peak 2019. Perfect encapsulation of the Progressive Decade.


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Oh, and every one of the parties involved think it's the president that makes the USA laughingstock.


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Certified flight instructors ... these are valued members of the educational system.



I concur!

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Antarctica wrote:
Imagine this:

Your property taxes go towards bribing US News and World Report to keep these above-average public high schools ranked among the elite. Then you bribe your alderman or who ever even more money so your kid can get into them. And then the teachers, among the highest paid in the USA, go on strike so they can poet their clever signs on Instagram.

Peak 2019. Perfect encapsulation of the Progressive Decade.


You have to do a little better than quoting an article that isn't applicable to Illinois State Schools.

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Certified flight instructors ... these are valued members of the educational system.



I concur!

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Oh, and every one of the parties involved think it's the president that makes the USA laughingstock.


It's the uneducated people?

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You and your wife will have kids one day and I imagine at that point you'll see the value of a quality teacher.

Which is why he will either move to the suburbs or go to a private school. CPS will always be rubbish.


The top 5 schools in this state are found in CPS.

Selective enrollment. Of course a school will test well when they only select the best students out of a city of 3M


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Nas wrote:
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Oh, and every one of the parties involved think it's the president that makes the USA laughingstock.


It's the uneducated people?

No, its the entitled, obese and infantile population.


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Antarctica wrote:
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Oh, and every one of the parties involved think it's the president that makes the USA laughingstock.


It's the uneducated people?

No, its the entitled, obese and infantile population.

How's your mom doing?

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Teachers are already overpaid or at least paid appropriately. Saying they deserve "more" has become one of those empty phrases that makes people feel good but doesn't make any sense.


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Teachers are already overpaid or at least paid appropriately. Saying they deserve "more" has become one of those empty phrases that makes people feel good but doesn't make any sense.


Bottom of the barrel

https://www.newyorkfed.org/research/col ... ajors.html

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They dont work one-third of the year. June, July, August they have off plus winter, spring break and all the holidays. Its totally disingenuous to post their median income without accounting for this.


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You and your wife will have kids one day and I imagine at that point you'll see the value of a quality teacher.

Which is why he will either move to the suburbs or go to a private school. CPS will always be rubbish.


The top 5 schools in this state are found in CPS.

Selective enrollment. Of course a school will test well when they only select the best students out of a city of 3M


Sure but MANY of the private schools have similar criteria yet all we ever hear is how "great" (read it in this thread as well) they happen to be.

In addition shouldn't all of the other great, non CPS schools scratch the top 100 nationally if they are in fact so great?

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Nas wrote:
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Teachers are already overpaid or at least paid appropriately. Saying they deserve "more" has become one of those empty phrases that makes people feel good but doesn't make any sense.


Bottom of the barrel

https://www.newyorkfed.org/research/col ... ajors.html


Pharmacy is highest paying major?

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