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They dont work one-third of the year. June, July, August they have off plus winter, spring break and all the holidays. Its totally disingenuous to post their median income without accounting for this.


This is a bullshit argument. Virtually every teacher works approximately 7-4 plus a couple hours each night grading plus many hours grading and lesson planning on weekends. Then they pay out of pocket for many things in their classroom.

They put in hours closer to asphalt crews who only work 2/3-3/4 of the year.

You anti teacher dipshits are also usually in lockstep with the anti education contingent. Too stupid to see that you're being manipulated by a ruling class that wants to keep you stupid.

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Chicago police have to pay for their duty weapon and body armour. Do you think those asphalt crews have their PPE provided for them?

Everyone has to pay a little bit for their work shit. Nothing's totally reimbursed. Only whiny teachers get up on the cross complaining about buying paper for the copier.


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No idea if CPS is similar to the ‘burbs but the teachers who have it all figured out are the high school gym teachers. They’re all former jocks who essentially babysit recess and then coach after school sports.


Not a lot of gym teachers coach. They do drivers ed for 40 plus an hour after school instead.

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Antarctica wrote:
They dont work one-third of the year. June, July, August they have off plus winter, spring break and all the holidays. Its totally disingenuous to post their median income without accounting for this.


It is also disingenuous to say firefighters work 24 hours a day.

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Antarctica wrote:
Chicago police have to pay for their duty weapon and body armour. Do you think those asphalt crews have their PPE provided for them?

Everyone has to pay a little bit for their work shit. Nothing's totally reimbursed. Only whiny teachers get up on the cross complaining about buying paper for the copier.


CPD also gets 1,800 a year in uniform allowance.

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Every profession has little things it has to do with personal money or time. There are jobs that don't make as much as teachers that require 24/7 availability. There are jobs that don't earn a paycheck because they are solely commission-based. There are small business owners who don't know if they will put food on the table. There are industrial workers who develop various forms of cancer, breathing problems, or skeletal disorders. There are jobs like waiters and waitresses where the person is mentally and physically exhausted after each shift and get by on less than minimum wage plus tips.

Yet the only profession we constantly hear complaining that they're "owed" something more is one with a guaranteed decent paycheck, great benefits, a pension, a guarantee not to ever lose their job, and one-third of the year not even working. Wonder why?


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Every profession has little things it has to do with personal money or time. There are jobs that don't make as much as teachers that require 24/7 availability. There are jobs that don't earn a paycheck because they are solely commission-based. There are small business owners who don't know if they will put food on the table. There are industrial workers who develop various forms of cancer, breathing problems, or skeletal disorders. There are jobs like waiters and waitresses where the person is mentally and physically exhausted after each shift and get by on less than minimum wage plus tips.

Yet the only profession we constantly hear complaining that they're "owed" something more is one with a guaranteed decent paycheck, great benefits, a pension, a guarantee not to ever lose their job, and one-third of the year not even working. Wonder why?


Because those who want to demean them trumpet feigned outrage for all to hear. Drumming up support from the ignorant and ignorant childless.

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Every profession has little things it has to do with personal money or time. There are jobs that don't make as much as teachers that require 24/7 availability. There are jobs that don't earn a paycheck because they are solely commission-based. There are small business owners who don't know if they will put food on the table. There are industrial workers who develop various forms of cancer, breathing problems, or skeletal disorders. There are jobs like waiters and waitresses where the person is mentally and physically exhausted after each shift and get by on less than minimum wage plus tips.

Yet the only profession we constantly hear complaining that they're "owed" something more is one with a guaranteed decent paycheck, great benefits, a pension, a guarantee not to ever lose their job, and one-third of the year not even working. Wonder why?


Because they're smart enough to know that their boss is not their friend?

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storkinastorm wrote:
Every profession has little things it has to do with personal money or time. There are jobs that don't make as much as teachers that require 24/7 availability. There are jobs that don't earn a paycheck because they are solely commission-based. There are small business owners who don't know if they will put food on the table. There are industrial workers who develop various forms of cancer, breathing problems, or skeletal disorders. There are jobs like waiters and waitresses where the person is mentally and physically exhausted after each shift and get by on less than minimum wage plus tips.

Yet the only profession we constantly hear complaining that they're "owed" something more is one with a guaranteed decent paycheck, great benefits, a pension, a guarantee not to ever lose their job, and one-third of the year not even working. Wonder why?


Because they're smart enough to know that their boss is not their friend?



Who is the boss of CPS teachers?

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
SpiralStairs wrote:
storkinastorm wrote:
Every profession has little things it has to do with personal money or time. There are jobs that don't make as much as teachers that require 24/7 availability. There are jobs that don't earn a paycheck because they are solely commission-based. There are small business owners who don't know if they will put food on the table. There are industrial workers who develop various forms of cancer, breathing problems, or skeletal disorders. There are jobs like waiters and waitresses where the person is mentally and physically exhausted after each shift and get by on less than minimum wage plus tips.

Yet the only profession we constantly hear complaining that they're "owed" something more is one with a guaranteed decent paycheck, great benefits, a pension, a guarantee not to ever lose their job, and one-third of the year not even working. Wonder why?


Because they're smart enough to know that their boss is not their friend?



Who is the boss of CPS teachers?


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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
SpiralStairs wrote:
storkinastorm wrote:
Every profession has little things it has to do with personal money or time. There are jobs that don't make as much as teachers that require 24/7 availability. There are jobs that don't earn a paycheck because they are solely commission-based. There are small business owners who don't know if they will put food on the table. There are industrial workers who develop various forms of cancer, breathing problems, or skeletal disorders. There are jobs like waiters and waitresses where the person is mentally and physically exhausted after each shift and get by on less than minimum wage plus tips.

Yet the only profession we constantly hear complaining that they're "owed" something more is one with a guaranteed decent paycheck, great benefits, a pension, a guarantee not to ever lose their job, and one-third of the year not even working. Wonder why?


Because they're smart enough to know that their boss is not their friend?



Who is the boss of CPS teachers?


Ultimately its the State Board of Education.

At the lower level its CPS Central Office.

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storkinastorm wrote:
Every profession has little things it has to do with personal money or time. There are jobs that don't make as much as teachers that require 24/7 availability. There are jobs that don't earn a paycheck because they are solely commission-based. There are small business owners who don't know if they will put food on the table. There are industrial workers who develop various forms of cancer, breathing problems, or skeletal disorders. There are jobs like waiters and waitresses where the person is mentally and physically exhausted after each shift and get by on less than minimum wage plus tips.

Yet the only profession we constantly hear complaining that they're "owed" something more is one with a guaranteed decent paycheck, great benefits, a pension, a guarantee not to ever lose their job, and one-third of the year not even working. Wonder why?


Because those who want to demean them trumpet feigned outrage for all to hear. Drumming up support from the ignorant and ignorant childless.


Facts are, at the very least, indifferent, toward your feelings.


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storkinastorm wrote:
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Every profession has little things it has to do with personal money or time. There are jobs that don't make as much as teachers that require 24/7 availability. There are jobs that don't earn a paycheck because they are solely commission-based. There are small business owners who don't know if they will put food on the table. There are industrial workers who develop various forms of cancer, breathing problems, or skeletal disorders. There are jobs like waiters and waitresses where the person is mentally and physically exhausted after each shift and get by on less than minimum wage plus tips.

Yet the only profession we constantly hear complaining that they're "owed" something more is one with a guaranteed decent paycheck, great benefits, a pension, a guarantee not to ever lose their job, and one-third of the year not even working. Wonder why?


Because those who want to demean them trumpet feigned outrage for all to hear. Drumming up support from the ignorant and ignorant childless.


Facts are, at the very least, indifferent, toward your feelings.

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storkinastorm wrote:
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storkinastorm wrote:
Every profession has little things it has to do with personal money or time. There are jobs that don't make as much as teachers that require 24/7 availability. There are jobs that don't earn a paycheck because they are solely commission-based. There are small business owners who don't know if they will put food on the table. There are industrial workers who develop various forms of cancer, breathing problems, or skeletal disorders. There are jobs like waiters and waitresses where the person is mentally and physically exhausted after each shift and get by on less than minimum wage plus tips.

Yet the only profession we constantly hear complaining that they're "owed" something more is one with a guaranteed decent paycheck, great benefits, a pension, a guarantee not to ever lose their job, and one-third of the year not even working. Wonder why?


Because those who want to demean them trumpet feigned outrage for all to hear. Drumming up support from the ignorant and ignorant childless.


Facts are, at the very least, indifferent, toward your feelings.


You probably think illinoispolicy.org is an unbiased source.

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They dont work one-third of the year. June, July, August they have off plus winter, spring break and all the holidays. Its totally disingenuous to post their median income without accounting for this.


It is also disingenuous to say firefighters work 24 hours a day.
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This wouldn't be an issue if people supported CPS instead of sending their kids to private schools or fleeing to the suburbs.

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This wouldn't be an issue if people supported CPS instead of sending their kids to private schools or fleeing to the suburbs.


There isn't a lot of data on private schools but most suburban school districts aren't great. Outside of paying for private school you would almost always be better off at a selective enrollment school than a suburban school.

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They dont work one-third of the year. June, July, August they have off plus winter, spring break and all the holidays. Its totally disingenuous to post their median income without accounting for this.


It is also disingenuous to say firefighters work 24 hours a day.

Yep, my buddy who is a firefighter once bragged to me that he watched all 6 star wars movies (this was pre disney) in a single shift.

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This wouldn't be an issue if people supported CPS instead of sending their kids to private schools or fleeing to the suburbs.


There isn't a lot of data on private schools but most suburban school districts aren't great. Outside of paying for private school you would almost always be better off at a selective enrollment school than a suburban school.

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This wouldn't be an issue if people supported CPS instead of sending their kids to private schools or fleeing to the suburbs.


There isn't a lot of data on private schools but most suburban school districts aren't great. Outside of paying for private school you would almost always be better off at a selective enrollment school than a suburban school.

Chuckle


There are places like greatschools.org that tracks these things.

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And it shows the schools here are 9/10 and 10/10. Are CPS schools 11/10?

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And it shows the schools here are 9/10 and 10/10. Are CPS schools 11/10?


Is there 1 suburban school district? Are there just 2 suburban schools? Did you read my post? Did you confuse "most" with "all"?

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There are more quality suburban schools than quality CPS schools. The best bet for raising kids is getting them to a nice suburb.

The highest quality and best paid teachers are out here. 211. 203. 214. Etc.

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There are more quality suburban schools than quality CPS schools. The best bet for raising kids is getting them to a nice suburb.

The highest quality and best paid teachers are out here. 211. 203. 214. Etc.


The best public grade schools and high school are found in Chicago. Most aren't entirely selective enrollment either.

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IMU wrote:
There are more quality suburban schools than quality CPS schools. The best bet for raising kids is getting them to a nice suburb.

The highest quality and best paid teachers are out here. 211. 203. 214. Etc.


Those are also the easiest jobs.

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If you're good at a job, it becomes an easy job.

When you're really bad at a job, it's easy too.

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If you're good at a job, it becomes an easy job.

When you're really bad at a job, it's easy too.

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If you're good at a job, it becomes an easy job.

When you're really bad at a job, it's easy too.

Spoken from experience?

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