Telander also writes Gil Thorp ...just pure Polyanna.

Are you serious? He's regularly criticized by colleagues nationally and locally for not going to the events he covers and writing from home.

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Actually he wasnt, and thats why Ozzie called him a burrito. Ozzie called him that because Jay criticizes players and coaches and never contronts them or asks them for their side of the story. He's a coward.

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Jay says he's scared to go to the Cell. I don't think he ever goes during the regular season. If he does he doesn't go to the locker room.

He was there for the Sox 2005 playoff.

I am bloody sick and tired of hearing about this in each and every Mariotti column. He even crought it up today, in a piece about DEL NEGRO of all things! How much more unrelated could those things be? Yet, he keeps on going with it.
Sorry but Mariotti is no genius wordsmith like Mac claims he is. Mariotti is a fill in the blanks bullshit artist. It stinks.

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They have the same owner, thats all Marrioti cares about. Taking shots at the Sox and The Chairman.

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Right, but Ozzie and the Sox have absolutly nothing to do with this Bulls situation. he's just got to work that into EVERY column and it's a bit, well, pathetic.

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Doesn't matter. He'd link fucking Pizza Hut to the Sox just to take a shot at Ozzie.

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Right, and that's what makes him bullshit.

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Exactly. I think he should get the death penalty.

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Hardly ever read Moronoty. Cowley put it pretty well on North's show this morning: "Sun Times needs Marioty like Star Wars needed Darth Vader"

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Now we agree.

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Bullshit. He never praises Ozzie or JR. Yes the day after the WS he flip flopped like he always does and wrote he's happy for JR. All through that season he wrote multiple times a team coached by JR and managed by Ozzie will not win a WS. Look it up. He wrote those things probably a dozen times during the 2005 season. He's always critical of Ozzie and JR and he even says hes gonna keep writing Fire Ozzie columns till they do(more like cuz he cant do anything other than fill in the blank columns). He's not a good writer and certainly not the only opinionated writer in town or nationally.

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You gotta understand Nas, nobody is saying that jay doesn't bring on an opinion, what his critics complain about is his troolish behavior-- his petty rivalries, his hypocrasy, his "poor little me, i feel threatened" attitude, etc.Every column seems to be the same crap.

If he writes what he thinks, then he is clearly insane. In today's masterpiece, written about the Bulls hiring of a new coach, he still finds a way to bring up the "scorched earth, intelligence-insulting blowup" by Ozzie. The two have nothing to do with each other. Jay's idea of wit is to give nicknames to people: The Blizzard of Oz, Mad Pax, My Cousin Vinny, etc.

Nas, first of all he never praises Ozzie. Please show me the last "Ozzie is good" column he wrote. You agree with him alot, so you think Ozzie should be fired? , and that an Ozzie-managed team will never win a WS championship?

Also a main point you seem to be missing is the guy is a total asshole. It's the person more than the writer that we all despise. He's a hypocrite, a coward, a blowhard, a bitch, acts all holier-than-thou, uninformed whenever he's not writing about baseball or football, constantly flip flops(Phil Jackson articles being the latest), often uses hyperbole to demonstrate basic points. I mean it is tough to find a more dislikable media personality out there right now. Half of his ST colleagues want to punch the guy in the face, that sound like someone you'd wanna work with?

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He's staying. New deal for Jay.

http://www.suntimes.com/sports/mariotti ... 08.article

Mariotti has become Captain Ahab



a grizzled old captain, sitting on the foc'sle hunting the great Ozzie. His Moby Dick. Much as Ahab the quaker sought revenge in volation of his religous doctrine, Captain Jay seeks Ozzie is violation of any concept of neutraility.

If his goal is to be a muckracker, mission accomplished (he is without a doubt one of the best Ive ever seen, no integrity but the ability to sell papers and get people talking). His endless quest for the shots at Ozzie show nothing more than his obsession and own insecurities.

If he had any sack at all, he would call Ozzie out (and get his beat down). The bottom line is the Ozzie pantomime anal rape that was done in the Sox locker room has sent Jay off on this mindless quest for revenge by using his pen.

I guess some high school things never change. If Mariotti had any balls at all, he'd hire his own security and walk into the lions den and ask the tough questions. Much like the internet, its pretty damn easy to sit in front of a terminal and spin a phrase in an effort to call out someone who is not as learned as you. Its quite a different thing to look someone in the eye and call them a "jerk" "blizzard of oz" or whatever that pathetic, sad columnist is thinking in his singular, mindless quest for revenge.

I guess the best thing is that the sun times will have long shut out the lights before he ever gets to finish out that contract.

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Who's Paul Sullivan talking about I wonder???

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Nas, I can only speak for myself, but I don't dislike Mariotti because of his opinions. I dislike him and don't read him because he is a lousy person. Decent people do not treat others the way he does, whether it be co-workers, professional associates, athletes, coaches, owners or others in the sports world. His constant barrage of the same old, tired rants against the same people (like Ozzie and Reinsdorf) is behavior that goes way past "expressing opinions". Carrying on that kind of anger and hostility toward certain people over months and years is the mark of a bad person. He may be sick, he may just be an angry old coot. Whatever the reason, he's a bad guy.

He could be just as effective a columnist with his same opinions if he wasn't such an ahole to so many people and didn't belabor his hostile treatment of certain people over and over.

Don't compare yourself to him, Nas. It's an insult to you. People may disagree with you, but you know how to disagree without being disagreeable. He does not.

The guy is a good writer and he does his job. Creates controversy.

TB played this role before Jay did.

While there is no doubt he has an agenda with JR, Kenny, Hawk and Ozzie he is one of the few that write some honest things about them.

And they really handle it well, don't they?

I do think Joe Cowley does a very good job of writing about everything for the Sox.

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Prior to the 2005 playoffs, Mariotti himself said he never went back to USCF because he feared for his safety. He got mad over something said by Tony Phillips (who has since been loooooooooong gone) and threw a hissy fit when the Sox wouldn't reprimand Phillips. He is a spoiled child who whines whenever he can't get his way. IIRC, he also hasn't been to a game at Soldier Field in some time too.

If he's supposed to give his opinions on the things that he's supposed to "see", shouldn't he do his readers the service of being present at said event? When the Bulls hired Vinny Del Negro, every columnist in this city was present at that press conference. Except for Mariotti, who chose to cover the Finals on an . This is the same guy who will spend most of his time lambasting and insulting any move made within the Reinsdorf regime, but won't be there himself to "take no prisoners" and ask the "hard questions".

Simply put, he can dish it, but certainly can't take it.

Nas, your partisanship in this case is as sick as Jay's. Let the record relfect you are either an all out member of the Mariotti ALS, or not a Sox fan, because if you were an informed Sox fan, those comments would sound idiotic, at best. Jay said he would "Shut up Hawk's beak" or something along those lines prior to anything Hawk said about Jay the Joke.

Also, please give me the link where Ozzie said he would shove a bat up Jay's ass. No offense, but that statement was complete bullshit, and I am pretty damn sure nothing like that was said.

Also, as for your defending Jay's pressbox credentials, I read him fairly regularly even though I dont really like him, and not only do I not read about press box circumstances in his column like you suggest, but he is nationally criticized for his reluctance to go to the Cell.

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First of all, the confrontation between Hawk & Mariotti happened in Minnesota, and Mariotti was the one who threatened Hawk, just like Mariotti told Telander about 5 yrs ago in Wrigley "how he would love to hit him" & Telander replied it would be the saddest day in his life.

And you talk about human? Consider:

Baby Huey, The Big Skirt, The Big Blurt (Frank Thomas)
Wrecks Grossman (Rex Grossman)
Foghorn Leghorn, Houseman Hawk, Whirlybird (Hawk Harrelson)
Plus other stupid nicknames demeaning Urlacher, Briggs, Guillen, Eddy Curry, Tyson Chandler, Ditka, Soriano, and a host of other Chicago athletes.

And as much as I can't stand Greg Couch, at least I'll give him credit for showing up at both ballparks, and he's the one that wrote the piece that started the whole "burrito" controversy.

Not sure where to start first......

1.) The Sox never threatened him with violence. Such assertions would make not just national, but possibly international headlines with the can of worms it would possibly prevent, so you are wrong on that. Mariotti is a bigger pussy than anyone on this board.

2.) Ozzie was initially supported by Jay, but please do your homework and then try to come back and say he is only a target of Jay's because of the burrito comment. The "burrito" comment was well-warranted, placed in context. Ozzie said it wasnt meant as a homosexual slur, as Jay is not considered a homesexual, by Ozzie or anyone else, but simply meant as another term for a bitch ass coward, which Jay has shown to be many times.

3.) Your last paragraph couldnt be more wrong. Jay can write every baseball column he wrote in the past decade CHICAGO, IL and it wont mean shit. The fact is he doesnt ever go to Sox games and thats well documented by Sox personell in case you wish to argue it.

4.) The last two setenences of your last paragraph dont make sense to me. No fans are going to attack a columnist if they are fair(to a certain degree, there always knuckleheads in any crowd). Also the organization certainly isnt going to attack a FAIR columnist because they wouldnt want to be unfairly attacked. Jay unfairly has attacked the Sox and Bulls organization countless times(One of the reasons MJ, along with many people, hate him). Therefore they retort. Nothing wrong with that. AJ, Ozzie, and many others are on record as saying Jay will not get attacked physically if he comes by. Certainly any attacks of that kind will make big time national headlines. Fact is Jay is just a hypocriticial, insecure little bitch, and not one thing you have tried to point out yet has counteracted that point.

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1.) Im old enough to know MJ doesnt like Jay. Just look up the transcipts with his interview on 60 minutes 2-3 years ago where he SPECIFICALLY mentioned Jay as one of the "attack journalists he had no respect for". I'll try and look it up and find the link.

2.) Your last sentence isnt entirely true. If a clumnist unfairly verbally attacks a player, that player absolutely has the right to unfairly attack that columnist. At the very least, condemn both of them, not just one.

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Hell yeah Im ripping Jay. He's a hypocritical bitch ass coward.

Also I've been trying to find that 60 Minutes interview, but cant seem to find it. I know I cant be the only one who remembers that interview 2-3 years ago where he SPECIFICALLY mentions Mariotti as a new-age attack journalist that bled the industry of its integrity. I very specifically remember that quote, so Im quite positive Im not wrong on that one.

Its inane that you continue to defend this chump Nas. He seems like the type of spineless coward you would normally torch. Nearly all of his colleagues HATE him. That doesnt tell you anything?

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Wanna bet?

From the Chicago Reader regarding a Mariotti column in '91 (even then, trying to make a splash)

Jay Mariotti's Bonehead Call

By Michael Miner
October 11, 1991

The Sun-Times is rolling full steam ahead with its new concept in crusading journalism. In the old days, newspapers merely railed against injustice. But people are bored with injustice. The Sun-Times has become a lot more exciting by railing against itself.

Three weeks ago we spotted M.W. Newman wondering in print if the new Harold Washington Library Center should ever have been built--even though a Sun-Times crusade is what built it. Two weeks ago the Sun-Times carried a sprightly page-one feature headlined "Chicago World Class?" and the editorial page snarled in reaction: "Do we, should we, really care?"

And last week the paper went to war against sports columnist Jay Mariotti.

The Kid from 'Tude Town hadn't been around long enough to appreciate that Chicago has an attitude of its own, and deference to authority isn't central to it. So Mariotti wrote a column ripping Michael Jordan for not going to Washington. "This is about the most disturbing, irresponsible and irrational thing Jordan has ever done in public life," fumed Mariotti about Jordan's decision to play golf in North Carolina while the other Bulls schmoozed with the president.

"Sure, he has a busy life," wrote Mariotti. "But too busy for an hour with the president of the United States? Is such an event now boring and out of vogue for him? . . . If his reason is anything short of a family emergency [which, of course, it wasn't, as Mariotti was sure it wouldn't be] . . . Michael Jordan will have hurt himself, his team, his precious corporate image, the NBA and the city of Chicago."

This sweeping judgment was ridiculous. As Mike Royko pointed out the next day, the sojourns of championship teams to the rose garden are "strictly political hokum arranged by the president's political propagandists." The jocks do the president a favor--but apparently Mariotti thinks that's as it should be. He wrote, "The only other member not to appear was John Paxon, who had a good excuse--he was effectively working for Bush, speaking to kids in a federally sponsored drug program."

Mariotti caught it from Royko, but Royko's the competition. More remarkable by far was the message to Mariotti from the Sun-Times.

Jack Higgins drew a four-panel cartoon captioned "Run," "Jump," "Slam," "Kneel?" On the same page, an editorial asserted:

"Until the day comes that the White House is declared a palace and its royal occupants are granted the power to summon their subjects, there is no reason that Michael Jordan or any other free citizen of this free country ought to be chastised for not showing up to be George Bush's, or anyone else's, political prop. That issue, we thought, had been pretty clearly settled when the founding fathers gave another George--George III--the gate."

And if one civics lesson from his new paper was not enough for Mariotti, he could have turned the page and found Vernon Jarrett offering another.

Jarrett wrote an "open letter" to the Bulls:

"I . . . feel obligated to state without reservation that there are people at the Chicago Sun-Times who are revolted by the attack Wednesday on you, Michael Jordan, in this newspaper.

"This is still America. . . . To defame and recommend punishment for an exemplary young man, such as a Michael Jordan, simply because of his personal priorities, represents the most distorted of misshapen logic."

We called Jarrett. "I got more calls on this--a sporting event!--than I've gotten on any other column," he said with some rue. "All of them positive, thanking me for answering him." Any from whites? we asked, and Jarrett said the calls ran about half and half. "One person called saying he'd had a lot of disagreements with me on many subjects, but I was dead on target on this.

"Michael Jordan means too much to my people--I mean black young people," Jarrett explained. "This thing here [by Mariotti] was even going to blame him if the Bulls didn't win--because he had stirred up dissension!"

Trouble is, Jordan did stir up dissension. Fellow Bull Horace Grant went to the White House and later made it clear how unhappy he was that Jordan hadn't. "If one guy wants to isolate himself like that, we're not going to win another championship," Grant told reporters. "There are other guys who feel the same way, but I'm the only one with the courage to come forward. . . . I'm not going to sit here and let him destroy the team like that."

"The fact Grant would fall right into line is awful," Jarrett told us, and wondered rhetorically, "Why are you out there fraternizing with the president who gave you Willie Horton, who vetoed one civil rights bill and is threatening to veto another? If Jordan had the capacity to say no--we need more people who can say no!"

Then we called Mariotti and asked him how he was holding up. "The highlight of my career," he told us. His own reaction to what Horace Grant had to say was a flush of vindication. "Horace has turned this into an explosive team issue that will follow the Bulls for some time," he predicted.

He went on, "I guess what bothers me is I wrote my column as a sports issue, a Bulls issue. And now there are various factions--I'm not really talking about Sun-Times people--trying to turn it into a political issue, a race issue. If Royko and Jarrett and so on want to write what they want about this issue, so be it. I'm not uncomfortable at all about people writing anything about me."

Mariotti said two aspects of the matter should be distinguished. One is Michael Jordan blowing off the president. The other is Jordan blowing off his teammates. "I sort of had fun with the White House, but I was very serious about what this could do to the Bulls."

Maybe Mariotti's problem is that no one down in the bushes ever took him aside and showed him how to josh. Here is his idea of "having fun with the White House": "That Jordan would be the one to disrupt an American tradition boggles the mind. As Bulls owner Jerry Reinsdorf said, 'It shows disrespect to the president.'"

Later came this deft whimsy: "Bulls management should have forced Michael to show up. Because he didn't, they should fine him, as should the NBA."

The nice thing is that Mariotti and Jarrett came to a sort of meeting of the minds in last Sunday's paper. Both of them dumped on Grant. Jarrett called him a whiner "whose excessive and presumptive criticism of Jordan played right into the hands of those who care less about the personal well being of either Jordan or Grant." Showing Grant no gratitude for favoring the media with candor, Mariotti noted that Phil Jackson had fined him for his public comments and called the action "a fair punishment."

At least Mariotti has clarified that attitude of his. Michael Jordan should have been fined for not calling on the president. Horace Grant was properly fined for speaking his mind. If Mariotti doesn't succeed in Chicago he might look for work on the Rehnquist Supreme Court.

But why are we hectoring Mariotti like this? Evans & Novak write for the Sun-Times. Let them do it.

http://books.google.com/books?id=hlZB31VeMGAC&pg=PA135&lpg=PA135&dq=michael+jordan+jay+mariotti&source=web&ots=ochf6t3pDm&sig=9yZzQ-vH-_RdU8bJNQegemLqcuU&hl=en&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=1&ct=result

On p. 135-136, it also shows Mariotti commenting on James Jordan murder and how it could be connected to MJ's gambling woes.