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This has some decent ideas:

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The Mitchell (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky era needs to end

Since coming into the league in 2017, (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky has ranked among the 10 worst quarterbacks in the NFL in each of his three seasons (66.4 grade in 2017 was 25th, 63.6 in 2018 was 30th and 45.7 in 2019 is currently last). Combine those three seasons, 33 quarterbacks have recorded 1,000 snaps and (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky ranks 32nd among those 33 in PFF grade. In that same timespan, there have been only five QBs to throw over 40 percent of their passes 10-plus yards downfield as uncatchable: DeShone Kizer, Josh Rosen, Tyrod Taylor, Josh Allen and (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky.

(Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky’s biggest enemy seems to be himself on intermediate throws (10-19 yards downfield) as he ranks, over his career, second to last in each of the following categories: PFF passing grade (56.6), yards per attempt (8.3), passer rating (68.8) and uncatchable pass rate (33.2 percent).

It was clear that former Bears head coach John Fox and his regime did all they could to make (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky a below-average starter through the simplest NFL offense known to mankind. The innovative mind of Matt Nagy, who came from the Andy Reid coaching tree, was brought in to form a complex offense that defenses could not read immediately and to hopefully make (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky a high-end starter. (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky clearly could not handle it. Under Nagy (2018 and 2019), (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky has been abysmal throwing downfield. On throws of 10-plus yards, he has thrown the second-worst uncatchable pass rate at 46.2 percent and also ranks dead last in PFF passing grade at 56.3. Not to mention, his intermediate range passing grade is dead last, too, at 44.

(Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky is holding Nagy’s play-calling and offense back as a whole. Play-action passes are far more efficient, yet Nagy can’t run those plays with (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky. Since 2018, these are the four lowest QB passing grade when running play-action: Joe Flacco at 66.6, Josh Rosen at 60.2, Ryan Tannehill at 59.2 and (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky at 46.1.

At 25 years of age and two and a half seasons of some of the worst QB play we have ever seen, the time has come for the Mitchell (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky era in Chicago to conclude. There’s still hope for the Windy City – as long as Pace is content with admitting he got this one wrong. Without further ado, PFF presents options the Bears have to consider in order to get them back into Super Bowl conversation:
Trade for Nick Foles

Jacksonville receives: 2020 second-round pick and 2021 third-round pick

When a team trades away one of the league’s best cornerbacks in Jalen Ramsey for two first-round picks and a fourth-rounder, it’s apparent that it’s building a team for a few years down the road. Entering the year though, the Jaguars had a different mentality, as they paid 2017 Super Bowl MVP Nick Foles $88 million over four years to be their starting QB. After an injury in Week 1, the Jags’ sixth-round selection this past NFL draft, Gardner Minshew II, was brought in to be the team’s starter while Foles recovers from a broken collarbone. Known for his unprecedented look, the young rookie has taken the league by storm and has become one of the best pure passers.

Minshew has fumbling issues, however, when he throws, he has been one of the best in 2019. On throws of 10-plus yards, Minshew is PFF’s 10th highest-graded QB at 89.9. Minshew also has posted a solid eight big-time throws to just three turnover-worthy plays and ranks fifth in passer rating on these throws 10-plus yards at 123.2 (behind Russell Wilson, Aaron Rodgers, Kirk Cousins and Patrick Mahomes). With that and being the eighth highest-graded passer from a clean pocket at 85.9, it’d be hard to turn your head away from a rookie on a four-year deal that costs under $3 million in total over that period over a guy who costs $22 million per year when you know your franchise isn’t going to the Super Bowl soon.

Before spending the 2017 and 2018 seasons in Philadelphia, Foles had a one-year stint in Kansas City where he served as the backup to Alex Smith. The Chiefs had a couple co-offensive coordinators under Reid: Brad Childress (now senior offensive assistant for the Bears) and Nagy. Seems like Foles in Chicago makes a lot of sense.

Everything (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky is bad at, Foles is good at. He is solid out of a clean pocket, recording an 83.6 PFF grade over his career and sharp on his downfield throws. Since 2017, Foles has an elite 90.1 PFF grade on his throws 10-plus yards (which is around the NFL average). He isn’t Patrick Mahomes or Deshaun Watson, but he’ll be good enough to lead Nagy’s innovative offense to success.
Trade for Marcus Mariota

Tennessee receives: 2020 fifth-round pick and 2020 sixth-round pick

The 2015 second-overall pick, Marcus Mariota, is in the last year of his deal with the Titans and was recently benched for the volatile Ryan Tannehill. You hate to see it – unless you’re a Chicago Bear fan. If Chicago is determined to bounce back and play to win the Super Bowl this season, trading very little for Mariota, an impending free agent, is an intriguing route to go.

Mariota may not be the guy in Tennessee, but he is far and away a more polished QB than (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky. Mariota didn’t have the best start to his career after posting a PFF grade in the 60s in his first two seasons, but he rebounded nicely in 2017 with a 76.2 and followed that with a 76.8 in 2018. In that two-year span, Mariota’s deep passing was sharp with the 12th best deep-passing grade, 30 big-time throws to just five turnover-worthy plays and a 42 percent accurate pass rate that ranked ninth.
Trade for Cam Newton

Carolina receives: 2020 second-round pick and 2020 fifth-round pick

In the two games Cam Newton appeared in for the Panthers this season, Newton was bad. However, there were reports of him playing through injury. We’ve been down this road with Cam before. In the first nine weeks of 2018, Newton was the 11th best quarterback from a passing perspective, with an 81.4 passing grade. Subsequently, the same shoulder that needed offseason surgery in between the 2016 and 2017 seasons bothered him once more and caused his passing grade from Week 10 on to fall to 53.2, ranking 28th.

His 2015 MVP season that resulted in an 86.5 overall grade could very well could be replicated given the right situation and if his health is order. Moreover, a quality of Newton’s that has to intrigue Nagy and the Bears is the fact he has vast experience in an RPO system and has been fairly successful in it. When he opts to pull on an RPO and pass, Newton has the third highest PFF passing grade since 2016 . His nine passing touchdowns throwing from an RPO are tied for the most and he has kept the interception column at a clean zero on those.

Nagy plays to his quarterback’s strengths. With Newton, the Bears can increase the use of play-action — the most effective passing plays in the book — as it is one of Newton’s greatest strengths. Since 2015, Newton’s 88.1 play-action passing grade is the 11th best in the NFL (Mahomes and Aaron Rodgers are 12th and 13th for what it’s worth) and his 35 play-action touchdowns are the fifth most.

Give a healthy Newton the weapons (Chicago has these), a great play-caller (Chicago has one) and a good defense (Chicago has one) and you may see that 2015 MVP season come to fruition once more.
Trade for Teddy Bridgewater

New Orleans receives: 2021 third-round pick

Like Mariota, Bridgewater fits in this trade now or sign in offseason boat as he is a free agent following the 2019 season. After intense rehab to get back from a severe knee injury that cost him his leg, two-glove Teddy finally got his opportunity to showcase his play after New Orleans Saints starter Drew Brees went down in Week 2 with a thumb injury. Bridgewater was rusty his first couple weeks, but over the past four weeks he has been lights out, ranking fourth among quarterbacks in PFF overall grade at 84.3.

The No. 1 quarterback in PFF passing grade on play-action passes is Teddy Bridgewater at 92.9. In addition, Bridgewater has thrown three big-time throws and has zero turnover-worthy plays out of play-action, while also throwing just one uncatchable pass across his 37 attempts (a rate 4.5 percent lower than any other quarterback).

(Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky has shown a lack of patience on long-developing plays. Since he came into the league, he is PFF’s lowest-graded QB on plays where the time-to-throw eclipses 3.1 seconds. That has been Bridgewater’s specialty in 2019. On those long plays, Bridgewater is the fifth highest-graded QB at 80.2 and has thrown the third lowest rate of uncatchable passes while posting the third highest adjusted completion percentage.


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Why would the Saints give up Bridgewater?


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I wouldn't trade for any of those guys, Mariotta and Cam will be available for signing in 3 months. We've got to stop trading away picks.

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I wouldn't trade for any of those guys, Mariotta and Cam will be available for signing in 3 months. We've got to stop trading away picks.


This.

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Agreed that trading is not the best option, but I would definitely like to see Mariotta here if he becomes a free agent.


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Mariotta and Cam are not good options.

The answer is Nick Foles. No....I don't think he's Tom Brady, but he will be a good fit for Nagy and his "system". Since Alex Smith is likely done forever, Foles is really the only option that would be somewhat affordable and ready to play immediately.

It's not a good situation, but that's Pace's fault. His roster, his stupid waste of draft picks (minus the K. Mack trade that everyone would have made)

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Mariotta and Cam are not good options.

The answer is Nick Foles. No....I don't think he's Tom Brady, but he will be a good fit for Nagy and his "system". Since Alex Smith is likely done forever, Foles is really the only option that would be somewhat affordable and ready to play immediately.

It's not a good situation, but that's Pace's fault. His roster, his stupid waste of draft picks (minus the K. Mack trade that everyone would have made)


Mariota is a free agent after this season.... Foles is signed to a 4 year, 88 million dollar contract. How much are you willing to give up to trade for Foles?


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They are not trading for a QB

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They are not trading for a QB


Probably not. Ride the season out with (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky and sign someone like Mariota in the offseason.


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Cam is done. I think Mariota might be ok. Wanted Mitch to work. He’s a disaster.

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Why would the Saints give up Bridgewater?

This is the only good idea of all of them, and you have the exact reason why it wouldn't work.

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Agreed that trading is not the best option, but I would definitely like to see Mariotta here if he becomes a free agent.


Yeah, no thanks. Unless he can channel his Oregon self, and Helfrich calls the plays...and the rest of the leagues defenses slow down to the level of the Pac 12.

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I cannot fathom how anyone wants mariota.

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I cannot fathom how anyone wants mariota.


Me neither.

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I cannot fathom how anyone wants mariota.


It is much easier to fathom than how some people actually still believe that (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky is any good.


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I cannot fathom how anyone wants mariota.


It is much easier to fathom than how some people actually still believe that (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky is any good.

I am not sold on (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky but I would much rather give him rest of the year instead of trading for a guy that is just as bad if not worse.

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I cannot fathom how anyone wants mariota.


It is much easier to fathom than how some people actually still believe that (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky is any good.

I am not sold on (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky but I would much rather give him rest of the year instead of trading for a guy that is just as bad if not worse.


Yes. Which is why I said wait until the season is over when Mariota is a free agent.


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I cannot fathom how anyone wants mariota.


It is much easier to fathom than how some people actually still believe that (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky is any good.

I am not sold on (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky but I would much rather give him rest of the year instead of trading for a guy that is just as bad if not worse.


Yes. Which is why I said wait until the season is over when Mariota is a free agent.

That doesn't make it much better.

The goal isnt to get another below average QB

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That doesn't make it much better.

The goal isnt to get another below average QB

Exactly -- you might as well get Cutler back as opposed to trade for someone of equivalency.

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RFDC wrote:
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RFDC wrote:
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I cannot fathom how anyone wants mariota.


It is much easier to fathom than how some people actually still believe that (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky is any good.

I am not sold on (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky but I would much rather give him rest of the year instead of trading for a guy that is just as bad if not worse.


Yes. Which is why I said wait until the season is over when Mariota is a free agent.

That doesn't make it much better.

The goal isnt to get another below average QB


Ideally. Realistically though, what options do you see that we have to acquire an above average QB?? I think he is worth a flier.


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PortageP_Chi wrote:
RFDC wrote:
PortageP_Chi wrote:
RFDC wrote:
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I cannot fathom how anyone wants mariota.


It is much easier to fathom than how some people actually still believe that (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky is any good.

I am not sold on (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky but I would much rather give him rest of the year instead of trading for a guy that is just as bad if not worse.


Yes. Which is why I said wait until the season is over when Mariota is a free agent.

That doesn't make it much better.

The goal isnt to get another below average QB


Ideally. Realistically though, what options do you see that we have to acquire an above average QB?? I think he is worth a flier.

Take your chances in the draft.

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[/quote]Take your chances in the draft.[/quote]

Ok. So take our chances in the draft and sign Mariota. No way we are drafting an immediate 1st year starter anyway.


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I cannot fathom how anyone wants mariota.


It is much easier to fathom than how some people actually still believe that (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky is any good.

I am not sold on (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky but I would much rather give him rest of the year instead of trading for a guy that is just as bad if not worse.


I agree with you on this. This is on Nagy as far as I am concerned. He needs to develop (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky not give up on him like he appears to want to do and get someone else in.. That is his damn job.

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RFDC wrote:
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I cannot fathom how anyone wants mariota.


It is much easier to fathom than how some people actually still believe that (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky is any good.

I am not sold on (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky but I would much rather give him rest of the year instead of trading for a guy that is just as bad if not worse.


I agree with you on this. This is on Nagy as far as I am concerned. He needs to develop (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky not give up on him like he appears to want to do and get someone else in.. That is his damn job.


(Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky is as developed as he ever will be and he is not an NFL caliber QB. It is time we all realize this.


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Yup.. only real answer. We don't have draft picks to lose and got jack shit in cap space.

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Draft a fucking QB with the first 2nd round pick...or trade both 2nds to move into the 1st round....to draft a QB. Then start him next year.

Bears need to go 7-3 or 8-2 to have a shot at the playoffs. It is safe to assume they are stuck with the QBs they have for the remainder of this season.

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I wouldn't trade for any of those guys, Mariotta and Cam will be available for signing in 3 months. We've got to stop trading away picks.

Mariota :lol: :lol: :lol:

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I wouldn't trade for any of those guys, Mariotta and Cam will be available for signing in 3 months. We've got to stop trading away picks.

Mariota :lol: :lol: :lol:



I'm not a fan of Mariotta.. I want to draft a QB the next 2 or 3 drafts til they find a keeper.

I'll ask ya the same question you answered wrong a month ago. Is Allen and Minishew a better option than Mitch?

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I wouldn't trade for any of those guys, Mariotta and Cam will be available for signing in 3 months. We've got to stop trading away picks.

Mariota :lol: :lol: :lol:



I'm not a fan of Mariotta.. I want to draft a QB the next 2 or 3 drafts til they find a keeper.

I'll ask ya the same question you answered wrong a month ago. Is Allen and Minishew a better option than Mitch?

You’ve never asked me that question. The answer is yes.

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