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He blew himself up with a vest.. Army really didn't do anything. The Seals ACTUALLY killed Bin Laden.


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They are just way better at towing the party line to achieve a goal than the Dems. Dems eat their own.


It's funny that both parties seem to admire the other party for towing the party line and complain that they cannot do the same.


One is being honest and the other is trying to get more people on board.


This can't be serious.


Democrats are timid and generally suck at developing a strategy that is easy to sell to the public. Republicans are generally effective at selling things to the public. Regardless of if the public is on board they go for the win no matter what. Can you imagine if Trump had a super majority? Look at what the Republicans have accomplished with the courts without one. I would feel better being a Republican if there was a policy I wanted passed.


I guess I didn't understand what you were saying.

Have you considered that you only view the Dems as meek and ineffective because they are the ones you like? Right now, they are holding private impeachment hearings that are driving down Trump's approval very effectively. And let's not be naive - that is precisely their goal. While I find it to be glaringly political and dishonest, it is very effective politics. It is also Constitutional. Both sides are ultimately out for politics and their own power. It's the ones who don't have those goals that frighten them. AOC, Trump, Gabbard, third parties, etc.


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They are just way better at towing the party line to achieve a goal than the Dems. Dems eat their own.


It's funny that both parties seem to admire the other party for towing the party line and complain that they cannot do the same.


One is being honest and the other is trying to get more people on board.


This can't be serious.


Democrats are timid and generally suck at developing a strategy that is easy to sell to the public. Republicans are generally effective at selling things to the public. Regardless of if the public is on board they go for the win no matter what. Can you imagine if Trump had a super majority? Look at what the Republicans have accomplished with the courts without one. I would feel better being a Republican if there was a policy I wanted passed.


I guess I didn't understand what you were saying.

Have you considered that you only view the Dems as meek and ineffective because they are the ones you like? Right now, they are holding private impeachment hearings that are driving down Trump's approval very effectively. And let's not be naive - that is precisely their goal. While I find it to be glaringly political and dishonest, it is very effective politics. It is also Constitutional. Both sides are ultimately out for politics and their own power. It's the ones who don't have those goals that frighten them. AOC, Trump, Gabbard, third parties, etc.


I view them that way because they are generally incompetent and ineffective.

If there are no public hearings, I will support your position. I don't think they are necessary now.

All of the people you named are out for power and elevating their brand. People like Trump and to a certain extent AOC are the worst. They're willing to destroy it all if they don't get their way.

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How prevalent is voter suppression and do you have data on it (from a not left or right leaning source)?


Yeah what is really interesting is that in the last several years most instances of fraud and suppression in voting have been perpetrated by the Dems.

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Gerrymandering districts and voter suppression have pretty clearly been an organized operation for the Right for quite some time.

tht first part is done by both sides so that point is moot, just take a look at Illinois.

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I wouldn't say the Right "admires" the Left. The Right uses the "They're all out to take what's yours and give it to some minority moocher" talk to stir the fear pot and drum up support.

Also, who's talking about taking anyone's vote away? Other than the GOP'ers pushing gerrymandered districts while making it more and more difficult for certain "disenfranchised" groups to make it to the polling sites...of course.

They left want to take away peoples' votes by removing the Electoral College. A device specifically put into place to make sure that all parts of the country have an equitable part in electing our president. If you remove that you basically nullify 46 states from having any voice in the election process. I call that disenfranchisement,don't you?

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I wouldn't say the Right "admires" the Left. The Right uses the "They're all out to take what's yours and give it to some minority moocher" talk to stir the fear pot and drum up support.

Also, who's talking about taking anyone's vote away? Other than the GOP'ers pushing gerrymandered districts while making it more and more difficult for certain "disenfranchised" groups to make it to the polling sites...of course.

They left want to take away peoples' votes by removing the Electoral College. A device specifically put into place to make sure that all parts of the country have an equitable part in electing our president. If you remove that you basically nullify 46 states from having any voice in the election process. I call that disenfranchisement,don't you?

Why shouldn't every single legal citizen get an equal vote?

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I wouldn't say the Right "admires" the Left. The Right uses the "They're all out to take what's yours and give it to some minority moocher" talk to stir the fear pot and drum up support.

Also, who's talking about taking anyone's vote away? Other than the GOP'ers pushing gerrymandered districts while making it more and more difficult for certain "disenfranchised" groups to make it to the polling sites...of course.

They left want to take away peoples' votes by removing the Electoral College. A device specifically put into place to make sure that all parts of the country have an equitable part in electing our president. If you remove that you basically nullify 46 states from having any voice in the election process. I call that disenfranchisement,don't you?

Why shouldn't every single legal citizen get an equal vote?


Because California, New York and Texas would get whatever they want and the smaller states would get screwed. The political leaders in those states don't really understand the rest of the country.

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I wouldn't say the Right "admires" the Left. The Right uses the "They're all out to take what's yours and give it to some minority moocher" talk to stir the fear pot and drum up support.

Also, who's talking about taking anyone's vote away? Other than the GOP'ers pushing gerrymandered districts while making it more and more difficult for certain "disenfranchised" groups to make it to the polling sites...of course.



Are you suggesting only Republicans gerrymander? The act is named after a Democrat, for God's sake.

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I wouldn't say the Right "admires" the Left. The Right uses the "They're all out to take what's yours and give it to some minority moocher" talk to stir the fear pot and drum up support.

Also, who's talking about taking anyone's vote away? Other than the GOP'ers pushing gerrymandered districts while making it more and more difficult for certain "disenfranchised" groups to make it to the polling sites...of course.



Are you suggesting only Republicans gerrymander? The act is named after a Democrat, for God's sake.


Come on! That's not entirely true and it is worse than saying that Republicans aren't racist because their party freed the slaves.

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I wouldn't say the Right "admires" the Left. The Right uses the "They're all out to take what's yours and give it to some minority moocher" talk to stir the fear pot and drum up support.

Also, who's talking about taking anyone's vote away? Other than the GOP'ers pushing gerrymandered districts while making it more and more difficult for certain "disenfranchised" groups to make it to the polling sites...of course.

They left want to take away peoples' votes by removing the Electoral College. A device specifically put into place to make sure that all parts of the country have an equitable part in electing our president. If you remove that you basically nullify 46 states from having any voice in the election process. I call that disenfranchisement,don't you?

Why shouldn't every single legal citizen get an equal vote?


Because California, New York and Texas would get whatever they want and the smaller states would get screwed. The political leaders in those states don't really understand the rest of the country.

Shouldn't majority rule?

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No. The founders dreaded majority rule, which is why we are a Constitutional Republic with a Bill of Rights.


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I wouldn't say the Right "admires" the Left. The Right uses the "They're all out to take what's yours and give it to some minority moocher" talk to stir the fear pot and drum up support.

Also, who's talking about taking anyone's vote away? Other than the GOP'ers pushing gerrymandered districts while making it more and more difficult for certain "disenfranchised" groups to make it to the polling sites...of course.



Are you suggesting only Republicans gerrymander? The act is named after a Democrat, for God's sake.


Come on! That's not entirely true and it is worse than saying that Republicans aren't racist because their party freed the slaves.


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No. The founders dreaded majority rule, which is why we are a Constitutional Republic with a Bill of Rights.

The founders also approved slavery, so maybe they got some things wrong.

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I view them that way because they are generally incompetent and ineffective.

If there are no public hearings, I will support your position. I don't think they are necessary now.

All of the people you named are out for power and elevating their brand. People like Trump and to a certain extent AOC are the worst. They're willing to destroy it all if they don't get their way.


A corrupt ruling class consisting of both Ds and Rs has run this country against the interests of the people for far too long. Why do you think guys like Lindsey Graham, Chuck Schumer, Mitch McConnell, Joe Biden, etc have so much interest in Middle East affairs? Why do you think both parties have been so pro-globalist for so long? It's because they all use their office for personal gain, including deals made with foreign interests, regardless of how it impacts our country. That's why it is laughable to act as though Trump is some level of corruption we have never seen before. That's why all Ds and most establishment Rs don't like Trump. He is asking questions they don't want us to find the answers to but that we should know. The fact that he does it in such an unimpressive manner is a way for them to cast him as a tyrant.

AOC may be a child, but she is one of the few politicians alive who says what she really believes. She and Trump are unique in that regard. Nancy Pelosi doesn't care about health care. Mitch McConnell doesn't care about the Constitution. They say those things and occasionally address them to keep people voting for them. But what they really want is power. There is no discernable difference between either of them. They are both great at politics and have no principles.


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Nate Silver is in the act of being canceled over this:


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How prevalent is voter suppression and do you have data on it (from a not left or right leaning source)?


Yeah what is really interesting is that in the last several years most instances of fraud and suppression in voting have been perpetrated by the Dems.


I'm sorry...but...WUT?!

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How prevalent is voter suppression and do you have data on it (from a not left or right leaning source)?


Yeah what is really interesting is that in the last several years most instances of fraud and suppression in voting have been perpetrated by the Dems.


I'm sorry...but...WUT?!


No no no no. Don't get him started.

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Nate Silver is in the act of being canceled over this:



The original tweet that Smug quoted was pretty terrible.

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No. The founders dreaded majority rule, which is why we are a Constitutional Republic with a Bill of Rights.

The founders also approved slavery, so maybe they got some things wrong.

Then go pass an amendment. Or execute a coup and install a new constitution. Your choice.

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This. Is. America. We don't have to pretend that we love our political leaders.


I think Nate was commenting on the quoted tweet from Jamie Lee Curtis and not the crowd booing.

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This. Is. America. We don't have to pretend that we love our political leaders.


I think Nate was commenting on the quoted tweet from Jamie Lee Curtis and not the crowd booing.


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How prevalent is voter suppression and do you have data on it (from a not left or right leaning source)?


Yeah what is really interesting is that in the last several years most instances of fraud and suppression in voting have been perpetrated by the Dems.


I'm sorry...but...WUT?!


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I wouldn't say the Right "admires" the Left. The Right uses the "They're all out to take what's yours and give it to some minority moocher" talk to stir the fear pot and drum up support.

Also, who's talking about taking anyone's vote away? Other than the GOP'ers pushing gerrymandered districts while making it more and more difficult for certain "disenfranchised" groups to make it to the polling sites...of course.



Are you suggesting only Republicans gerrymander? The act is named after a Democrat, for God's sake.


Come on! That's not entirely true and it is worse than saying that Republicans aren't racist because their party freed the slaves.



It was a glib comment but the point stands- gerrymandering is a bipartisan pursuit.

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What is really funny is all the Dems are coming out and railing on the president for not letting them know before it took place? I didn't see them fucking with the previous guy when the big raid went down and he got Bin Ladin.

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What is really funny is all the Dems are coming out and railing on the president for not letting them know before it took place? I didn't see them fucking with the previous guy when the big raid went down and he got Bin Ladin.


Which Dems are railing on the president for not letting them know before it took place?

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What is really funny is all the Dems are coming out and railing on the president for not letting them know before it took place? I didn't see them fucking with the previous guy when the big raid went down and he got Bin Ladin.


Which Dems are railing on the president for not letting them know before it took place?


The last guy informed all of the necessary people. I don't think it's that big of a deal but Trump only told a couple of Republicans because he believed that Nancy Pelosi and other Democrats may alert the terrorists. The Democrats in the Gang of 8 or whatever the bipartisan's group name is mildly complained about it. Nothing more or less than that happened.

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